Hello
I am not quite sure where to file this, so apologies if I send this to the
wrong place.
Since Print Server is no longer included as an option in the Debian
installer it leaves users without CUPS after a default install. This
should perhaps be included in task-gnome-desktop?
I have written
john doe, le dim. 10 févr. 2019 07:39:17 +0100, a ecrit:
> On 2/9/2019 3:16 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Could people raise the issues they have had when trying Wayland?
>
> How do I go about testing wayland?
> Should I tested on Mate or on Gnome?
Mate doesn't seem to have a wayland session des
I like your suggestion, too.
It's so important to have a distro that installs a command line desktop.
Debian has all the pieces to do it.
Best wishes,
David
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019, 13:21 Mewtamer wrote:
> This is just a suggestion, but perhaps, instead of having "Debian
> Desktop Environment" as
On 2/9/2019 7:21 PM, Mewtamer wrote:
> This is just a suggestion, but perhaps, instead of having "Debian
> Desktop Environment" as an alias for the default without any
> explanation, perhaps it would be better to restructure the software
> selection menu to something like:
>
> 1. Gnome Desktop Envi
On 2/9/2019 3:16 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Could people raise the issues they have had when trying Wayland?
>
How do I go about testing wayland?
Should I tested on Mate or on Gnome?
--
John Doe
This is just a suggestion, but perhaps, instead of having "Debian
Desktop Environment" as an alias for the default without any
explanation, perhaps it would be better to restructure the software
selection menu to something like:
1. Gnome Desktop Environment(Debian Default)
2. Mate Desktop Environm
Hello,
Could people raise the issues they have had when trying Wayland?
Jeremy Bicha, le sam. 09 févr. 2019 08:38:29 -0500, a ecrit:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 8:36 AM Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > Ok, then you need to discuss this with the rest of the Debian GNOME
> > > team. I suggest the debian-
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 8:36 AM Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Ok, then you need to discuss this with the rest of the Debian GNOME
> > team. I suggest the debian-gtk-gnome list. (And I think it would have
> > been more polite to talk to them before talking to the tasksel team.)
> >
> > It's a bit late
Jeremy Bicha, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 20:05:03 -0500, a ecrit:
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 7:37 PM Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > As mentioned earlier in the thread, the default desktop for
> > accessibility is already MATE. I'm here talking about the choice of
> > default deskt
On 2/9/2019 2:05 AM, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 7:37 PM Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> As mentioned earlier in the thread, the default desktop for
>> accessibility is already MATE. I'm here talking about the choice of
>> default desktop for Debian indeed. I
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 7:37 PM Samuel Thibault wrote:
> As mentioned earlier in the thread, the default desktop for
> accessibility is already MATE. I'm here talking about the choice of
> default desktop for Debian indeed. IIRC one of the reasons for the
> choice of gnom
Jeremy Bicha, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 18:57:30 -0500, a ecrit:
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:07 PM Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
> > updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern
> &
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 12:07 PM Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
> updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern
> for accessibility. Accessibility on Wayland has a lot of glitches in
> all kin
Checking Aptitude, libgtk-3-0 depends on libwayland-client, and
Firefox depends on libgtk-3-0 and Orca has libwayland-client and
libgtk-3-0 somewhere in its dependency chains. I don't run a full
desktop environment, but as these are the only graphical programs I
run, I suspect most, if not all, cur
On 08/02/2019 19:24, john doe wrote:
> Do you have any pointers on where I can find what happened in Mate with
> regard to blindness?
Well I am not Samuel, but I will give my answers ;)
First of all, you'd need to have compiz-reloaded version 8-16, released
two months ago to get all the enhacemen
+, a ecrit:
> >>>> On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 06:07:17PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> >>>>> Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
> >>>>> updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a con
amuel Thibault wrote:
>>>>> Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
>>>>> updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern
>>>>> for accessibility. Accessibility on Wayland has a lot of glitches i
john doe, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 19:09:39 +0100, a ecrit:
> On 2/8/2019 6:47 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Holger Levsen, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 17:42:42 +, a ecrit:
> >> On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 06:07:17PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> >>> Re-opening the question
On 2/8/2019 6:45 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> john doe, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 18:39:39 +0100, a ecrit:
>> What about Orca?
>> The last time I checked Mate, it wasn't as usable as 'Debian desktop
>> environment' (Gnome).
>
> When was that time?
> A lot of things happened on the Mate side :)
>
A fie
On 2/8/2019 6:47 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Holger Levsen, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 17:42:42 +, a ecrit:
>> On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 06:07:17PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>>> Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
>>>
Hello,
Holger Levsen, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 17:42:42 +, a ecrit:
> On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 06:07:17PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
> > updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a
john doe, le ven. 08 févr. 2019 18:39:39 +0100, a ecrit:
> What about Orca?
> The last time I checked Mate, it wasn't as usable as 'Debian desktop
> environment' (Gnome).
When was that time?
A lot of things happened on the Mate side :)
Samuel
Hi Samuel,
On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 06:07:17PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
> updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern
> for accessibility. Accessibility on Wayland has a lot of gl
On 2/8/2019 6:07 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
> updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern
> for accessibility. Accessibility on Wayland has a lot of glitches in
> all ki
Hello,
Re-opening the question of the default desktop just a bit to provide
updated information: the current gnome-with-wayland default is a concern
for accessibility. Accessibility on Wayland has a lot of glitches in
all kinds of places, and nobody is working on fixing them yet. Also,
MATE
Your message dated Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:10:47 +0100
with message-id <20141215201047.9702180f8f5d394210f49...@mailbox.org>
and subject line Re: Bug#759157: d-i manual: default desktop is Xfce according
to the d-i manual
has caused the Debian Bug report #759157,
regarding d-i manual: default d
I think there could be two distinct sets of criteria:
1. criteria for the premier desktop to suit most users - it's
counter-productive for portability to be a major factor in this
2. criteria for the next-best desktop where 1. isn't practical -
portability, versatility and media size are much m
On 11/09/14 19:26, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 06:11:22PM +0100, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
>> Fair enough if a Debian desktop doesn't want to support "toy
>> architectures" (I don't mind use of this term).
>
> So you call all but two[1] of Debian architectures (14+9) "toys"[2]?
> So it looks like gnome3 is the only one that doesn't work on most
> architectures.
You tested qemu, not real hardware.
For your tests to be really meaningful, they would have to be done on
actual hardware.
That said, I don't see a good reason why availability on architectures
should be a decidi
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 05:36:18PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> I just re-checked on powerpc in qemu, unlike my other setups it's not a real
> machine, but qemu is at least a reproducible setup without out-of-archive
> bits like all three of my armhf rigs.
> I'd say you'd need 'availability' or '
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 06:11:22PM +0100, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
> On 11/09/14 16:36, Adam Borowski wrote:
> >> What happens otherwise if trying to start GNOME3 (or others)?
> >> * without 3D, with llvmpipe
> >> * without both
> >
> > llvmpipe doesn't work at all -- not ported to -- on !x86 !ar
uot;toy
architectures" (I don't mind use of this term).
But if the above is true, it is a step further: only 3D-accelerated, or
i386/amd64/armhf systems seem to get a sensible out-of-box experience.
It still isn't clear to me what "default desktop" means or the impact of
deciding
rchitectures.
>
> Not everyone has been persuaded on that principle yet :P But on
> kfreebsd CDs we can at least override the default desktop if it's
> something we don't have.
I just re-checked on powerpc in qemu, unlike my other setups it's not a real
machine, but qe
Quoting Joey Hess (jo...@debian.org):
> Adam Borowski wrote:
> > I think the "DebianDesktop requalification" table lacks an important
> > row: the availability of the desktop environment in question on all
> > Debian architectures.
>
> While that can be a minor consideration (it would be nicest to
Adam Borowski wrote:
> I think the "DebianDesktop requalification" table lacks an important
> row: the availability of the desktop environment in question on all
> Debian architectures.
While that can be a minor consideration (it would be nicest to be
consistent if possible), we've had different d
Steven Chamberlain, le Wed 10 Sep 2014 11:56:58 +0100, a écrit :
> What happens otherwise if trying to start GNOME3 (or others)?
> * without 3D, with llvmpipe
> * without both
>
> Does it fall back gracefully to a fallback/flashback mode, and does that
> still work these days? In this mode would
eebsd CDs we can at least override the default desktop if it's
something we don't have.
Let's discuss your other point about 3D acceleration though:
> llvmpipe is not a strict requirement, but I have yet to find a non-x86
> opengl driver that gnome's compositor can work wi
n-Intel GPU
will need llvmpipe.
I'd say the default desktop environment should work on almost all setups.
--
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// cease using counterfeit alphabets. Instead, contact the nearest temple
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Holger Wansing (2014-08-25):
> Hi,
>
> Holger Wansing wrote:
> > Package: installation-guide
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > the d-i manual says, that the default desktop is Xfce.
> > Since it seems, that the default desktop is switched ba
Hi,
Holger Wansing wrote:
> Package: installation-guide
>
>
> Hi,
>
> the d-i manual says, that the default desktop is Xfce.
> Since it seems, that the default desktop is switched back to Gnome for
> Jessie, we need an update here.
Probably it would be worse adding a
Package: installation-guide
Hi,
the d-i manual says, that the default desktop is Xfce.
Since it seems, that the default desktop is switched back to Gnome for
Jessie, we need an update here.
Cheers
Holger
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To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ
7;t see why we should stop
building CD images if some users still find them useful.
> → What is the target audience of Debian-installer for the default
> image?
[ Replying with s/image/desktop/ in mind. ]
What Christian says.
It seems to me it's quite fair to imagine that so call
Jordi Mallach writes ("Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop"):
> It's been around 9 months since tasksel changed (for real) the default
> desktop for new installs. At the time of the change, it was mentioned
> the issue would be revisited before th
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:22:01PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>
> I just had a look at an online hardware store.
> Out of their 682 laptops and 332 desktops:
> * 1 model has 1 GiB
> * 48 models have 2 GiB
> * 470 models have 4 GiB
> * 495 have 6 GiB or more
>
> Whi
I enjoy the way you keep ignoring the relevant points, memory usage and
performance regressions. And the way you benchmarked gnome against gnome.
How about warsaw on xfce on the same hardware or your benchmarks pretty
much show nothing except that your 'slight performance increase when using
gnome-
Le mardi 12 août 2014 à 13:12 +0100, Anthony F McInerney a écrit :
> Virtualbox Results (no guest drivers installed)
Glxgears is not a relevant 3D benchmark.
But the funniest thing is that you did this test without any 3D
acceleration, which is not representative at all of most real-world
comput
>
> We happen at work to have users with very important needs of 3D
> resources, so one of my colleagues conducted some performance tests with
> and without a compositor (the compositor being GNOME 3).
>
> It turns out that with a recent adapter, 3D applications are running a
> small bit faster und
On 12 August 2014 09:51, Wookey wrote:
>
> Could you do MATE too please?
>
> MATE: (with mate-desktop-environment-extras)
free ^[[C total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 506756 397480 109276
7096 58820 166076 -/+ buffers/cache: 172584 334172
Swap: 392188 0 392188
The ctrl characters came wit
Le mardi 12 août 2014 à 03:03 +0100, Anthony F McInerney a écrit :
> I had stated previously XFCE had started showing memory usage similar
> to gnome. This has quite obviously changed. I was wrong, and i'm
> posting it as a correction to my statement.
You’re comparing apples and oranges. These me
+++ Anthony F McInerney [2014-08-12 00:02 +0100]:
>XFCE:
>
> total used free sharedbuffers cached
>Mem:506756 362468 144288 6568 22756 179264
>-/+ buffers/cache: 160448 346308
>Swap: 392188
+++ Kees de Jong [2014-08-12 02:03 +0200]:
>Are we really comparing RAM here as if it were the 90's? How many people
>here use Android? Today it needs 512 MB to function properly. In two years
>that could be 1 or 2 GB and that's a mobile OS. How much RAM does your
>browser use?
To
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 02:03:39AM +0200, Kees de Jong wrote:
> Are we really comparing RAM here as if it were the 90's? How many people
> here use Android? Today it needs 512 MB to function properly. In two years
> that could be 1 or 2 GB and that's a mobile OS. How much RAM does your
> browser us
On 12 August 2014 01:03, Kees de Jong wrote:
> Are we really comparing RAM here as if it were the 90's?
>
I had stated previously XFCE had started showing memory usage similar to
gnome. This has quite obviously changed. I was wrong, and i'm posting it as
a correction to my statement.
I also just
Are we really comparing RAM here as if it were the 90's? How many people
here use Android? Today it needs 512 MB to function properly. In two years
that could be 1 or 2 GB and that's a mobile OS. How much RAM does your
browser use? My Chrome/Firefox easily uses 1 GB. My GNOME 3.10 desktop
(running
XFCE:
total used free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:506756 362468 144288 6568 22756 179264
-/+ buffers/cache: 160448 346308
Swap: 392188 0 392188
GNOME:
total used free shared
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 01:47:53PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 07:42:41PM +0200, David Weinehall wrote:
> > Available in GNOME 3.
> >
> > Available in GNOME 3.
> >
> > Not enabled by default (if I remember correctly), but possible to enable
> > using gnome-tweak-tool.
On Lu, 11 aug 14, 19:38:47, David Weinehall wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 06:00:05PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > I do: I see a reason to netinst a 0.629xCD size desktop install rather
> > than a 0.829xCD size desktop when bandwidth is costly.
>
> Yes, but if you netinst you can *pick* y
How do you measure memory? Free?
Could you quite possibly post the output of free and whatever else you
measure with? (the full output)
For reference against jessie, i'm installing an up to date jessie right
now...
Thanks
Anthony (bofh80)
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 07:42:41PM +0200, David Weinehall wrote:
> Available in GNOME 3.
>
> Available in GNOME 3.
>
> Not enabled by default (if I remember correctly), but possible to enable
> using gnome-tweak-tool.
I shouldn't have to know that. And I am pretty sure when gnome3 appeared
in s
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 01:35:28PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> All I personally expect from a window manager is:
>
> Be able to launch programs (ideally using alt+F2)
Available in GNOME 3.
> Be able to resize the window using the edge of the window
Available in GNOME 3.
> Have a maximize/
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 01:35:28PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 05:34:04PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
>
> Or even showing them at all (certainly last time I bothered to look at
> gnome 3 it seemed to think buttons on windows were mostly to be avoided).
>
> > People
ages do not contain the
desktop environment, so whichever desktop is default is a totally
moot question in that scenario.
Summary:
* If you download you can pick the smallest option possible;
thus the default desktop is irrelevant -- people with plenty
of bandwidth will probably go with the d
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 05:34:04PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> You mean left vs. right side?
Or even showing them at all (certainly last time I bothered to look at
gnome 3 it seemed to think buttons on windows were mostly to be avoided).
> People who are so afraid of new stuff to learn that
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 03:20 +0100, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
[...]
> If people have old CD only machines i would not like to attempt to get
> kernel 3.16 +drivers +userland working on that. I've been in that
> situation plenty of times, where woody or potato are better simply
> because the drivers
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:23:38AM +0001, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
>
> And if it's "machines in the wild with CD drives still" again, we
> have woody, squeeze and wheezy for them.
Does woody still have security support? In not, there are many old
machines for which it is no longer an alterna
2014/08/12 1:12 "Jonas Smedegaard" :
>
> [...]
> Still you are talking about cost in time. Few I have met in developing
> countries were poor measured in time available.
> [...]
Developed country (Japan). My wife makes me scrimp on everything, so I
still have megabit/sec download. Fiber or 10 Mb/
Quoting Olav Vitters (2014-08-11 11:21:14)
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:10:50AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quite a few places in the World have poor and/or expensive internet
>> access. Larger default desktop will hurt the most in developing
>> countries: non-techie
;unable to fit on a single image" is not only about use of said
>> storage devices for installation, but also an indication more
>> generally of how much data needs to be transfered on average for a
>> usable installation.
>>
>> Quite a few places in the World
Hi,
Lennart Sorensen:
> it needs buttons on windows that people expect to see where they expect
> to see them
You mean left vs. right side?
> Would Debian be willing to make gnome3 have different defaults than
> upstream in the interest of actually being useable to new users who are
> used to o
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:15:15AM +0200, Thomas Weber wrote:
> Not sure why you'd want to go for third world countries, but let's look
> at Germany (Aldi is one of the two biggest discounters here):
> http://www.presseportal.de/pm/112096/2653870/aldi-senkt-preise-fuer-fischprodukte-oel-und-smoothi
at bottom :-
On 8/11/14, Thomas Weber wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:20:49AM +0100, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
>> Would the people who are claiming that blank cdr are cheaper than dvdr,
>> especially in third world countries, please cite sources (shops, price
>> checkers etc) of the price of
On Mon, 11 Aug, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Thomas Weber
wrote:
Not sure why you'd want to go for third world countries, but let's
look
at Germany (Aldi is one of the two biggest discounters here):
http://www.presseportal.de/pm/112096/2653870/aldi-senkt-preise-fuer-fischprodukte-oel-und-smoothies
CD
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:20:49AM +0100, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
> Would the people who are claiming that blank cdr are cheaper than dvdr,
> especially in third world countries, please cite sources (shops, price
> checkers etc) of the price of say 5 pack or 10 pack, even up to 50pack of
> CD's,
Would the people who are claiming that blank cdr are cheaper than dvdr,
especially in third world countries, please cite sources (shops, price
checkers etc) of the price of say 5 pack or 10 pack, even up to 50pack of
CD's, vs the same amount of DVD's, from those third world countries. Is the
price
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On 08/10/2014 02:39 PM, Kees de Jong wrote:
> Why are we discussing CD/DVD sizes? Why not just use an USB
> netinstall? It's then possible to download and install the stuff you
> need, if you don't want to use a lot of bandwidth then choose no
> des
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
(Having booted up a real OS, but still using Google's webmail fake MUA. heh.)
> [...]
> 2014/08/11 7:32 "Joel Rees" :
>> 2014/08/08 6:58 "Jordi Mallach" :
>>
>> [...]
>> > systemd embracing: One of the reasons to switch to Xfce was that it
>> > d
2014/08/11 7:32 "Joel Rees" :
>
> 2014/08/08 6:58 "Jordi Mallach" :
>
> >
> > Hi Debian,
> >
> > It's been around 9 months since tasksel changed (for real) the default
> > desktop for new installs. At the time of the change, it was
2014/08/08 6:58 "Jordi Mallach" :
>
> Hi Debian,
>
> It's been around 9 months since tasksel changed (for real) the default
> desktop for new installs. At the time of the change, it was mentioned
> the issue would be revisited before the freeze, around debconf
2014/08/08 18:14 "Yves-Alexis Perez" :
>
> [...]
>
> Put it another way, Xfce (and other DEs) have been hurt by the various
> enforced transitions (ConsoleKit,
> hal/devicekit-power/upower/upower-0.99), yes. Combined with the lack of
> resources, that means it lays behind the people who decided tho
rage
> devices for installation, but also an indication more generally of how
> much data needs to be transfered on average for a usable installation.
>
> Quite a few places in the World have poor and/or expensive internet
> access. Larger default desktop will hurt the most in
Why are we discussing CD/DVD sizes? Why not just use an USB
netinstall? It's then possible to download and install the stuff you
need, if you don't want to use a lot of bandwidth then choose no
desktop environment or XFCE/LXDE. But if you can spare some more time
then you can install GNOME/KDE. See
On ven., 2014-08-08 at 18:38 -0700, Paul C. Bryan wrote:
> With all due respect to XFCE, I'd hate the interpretation to be along
> the lines of, "Oh, Debian state of the art desktop environment feels
> something like Windows, circa 2000." But, XFCE's lightweight. It's
> meant
> to lack such fancy f
On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 03:29:26PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> Specifically: 1) Would you want the default CD/DVD image to use a GNOME
> even if GNOME was unable to fit on a single image? 2) Would the GNOME
> team consider a less-complete DE for cases where image size is a
> restriction?
How ha
Hi,
I don't know if it's wise to include that by default, but I remember
that today, MATE is quite accessible. Not perfet, yes, but slight,
customizable, and with Compiz which can run on it with all its features.
Gnome is heavy for some machines and much less customizable in colours,
objects
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 12:47:14PM +0100, David Goodenough wrote:
>
> I would have thought it better to have a two level structure, where you are
> asked for instance if you want a database, and if you select it you are
> then asked which one (which can have a default for newbies). Similarly fo
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:14:07AM +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
>
> Indeed. I somehow hoped that the attention brought on the initial switch
> would bring more developpers to the pkg-xfce team, but that failed. But
> I'm unsure how much people actually saw the switch, since it's only for
> the
Quoting Samuel Thibault (2014-08-08 16:19:28)
> Jonas Smedegaard, le Fri 08 Aug 2014 16:11:58 +0200, a écrit :
>> The following is on a wheezy chroot:
>>
>> root@bastian:/# aptitude install task-gnome-desktop
>> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>> [...]
>> Need to get 370 MB of archiv
Gunnar Wolf writes ("Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop"):
> And yes, many such computers are currently in use. And it would be a
> disservice not to provide CDs anymore. But that criteria should not be
> what guides our default for installation; a CD mig
Jonas Smedegaard, le Fri 08 Aug 2014 16:11:58 +0200, a écrit :
> The following is on a wheezy chroot:
>
> root@bastian:/# aptitude install task-gnome-desktop
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
> [...]
> Need to get 370 MB of archives. After unpacking 1099 MB will be used.
>
> root@ba
Quoting Olav Vitters (2014-08-08 15:51:13)
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:26:20PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> I wonder if you still missed my point: Concern is not if computers
>> are capable of reading DVDs, but the *bandwith* burden of installing
>> and maintaining a larger desktop versus a
Quoting Gunnar Wolf (2014-08-08 15:00:35)
> Jens Schüßler dijo [Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 10:37:33AM +0200]:
>>> ...And I'd like us to consider this point as well: How important are
>>> CD images nowadays? Who has a CD that cannot read a DVD?
>>
>> You may visit some poorer people in the world.
>> But
On Friday 08 August 2014 15:15:17 vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm not a Debian developer, just a Debian user, and I want to say that I
> was happy to see XFCE being the default DE. Just because it's small,
> classic and neutral DE - which GNOME 3 definitely isn't. I think XFCE is
> a bette
Jens Schüßler dijo [Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 10:37:33AM +0200]:
> > ...And I'd like us to consider this point as well: How important are
> > CD images nowadays? Who has a CD that cannot read a DVD?
>
> You may visit some poorer people in the world.
> But hey, if they want CD-bread, why don't they ju
On 08/08/2014 08:31, Michael Gilbert wrote:
Here's a really interesting view showing the downward trend starting
somewhere in April [0]. Note that the xfce trend was consistently
growing prior to and past January (when the default was changed), but
slowed a lot in April. At the same time, gnome
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 12:41:09AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Jordi Mallach wrote:
> > Downstream health
> >
> > Upstream health
> >
> > Community
> >
> > Security
> >
> > Privacy
> >
> > Documentation
>
> I don't think these are very useful criteria, unless they lead to
> actual technical iss
On 08/08/14 00:29, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2014, Jordi Mallach wrote:
>> Well, it's roughly that time. :) So I'd like to plainly request GNOME
>> is reinstated as the default desktop environment for a number of
>> reasons.
>
> One of the reasons
On jeu., 2014-08-07 at 23:57 +0200, Jordi Mallach wrote:
> Hi Debian,
About the decision itself, as Debian Xfce main maintainer, I honestly
don't really care. I don't think the default desktop matters that much
on Debian (while I guess it means a lot for Ubuntu, for example). I
a
gle image" is not only about use of said storage
devices for installation, but also an indication more generally of how
much data needs to be transfered on average for a usable installation.
Quite a few places in the World have poor and/or expensive internet
access. Larger default desktop will h
* Gunnar Wolf wrote:
>
> ...And I'd like us to consider this point as well: How important are
> CD images nowadays? Who has a CD that cannot read a DVD?
You may visit some poorer people in the world.
But hey, if they want CD-bread, why don't they just eat DVD-cake.
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