Bug#1041731: groff-base: "-" mapped as HYPHEN

2023-09-27 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-09-11 20:33:27 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Yes, I understand why upstream really wants to find a way to make the > distinction between a language hyphen and an ASCII hyphen to work. They > are different characters in the *roff language, and in a proper > typesetting system such as troff

Bug#1041731: groff-base: "-" mapped as HYPHEN

2023-09-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Guillem Jover writes: > On Mon, 2023-08-14 at 14:18:51 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: >> Yes, we'd ideally want to fix all manpages to have everything set >> alright. But we have to do that before the release. And if that's not >> complete, release with the >> >> .char - \- >> >>

Bug#1041731: groff-base: "-" mapped as HYPHEN

2023-09-11 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! [ CCed Russ for the pod2man side of this. ] On Mon, 2023-08-14 at 14:18:51 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > I'm marking this important, and am tempted to raise it to serious... > > The problem at stake is that we have already a hard time making > newcomers read manpages. If they can't even

Bug#1041731: groff-base: "-" mapped as HYPHEN

2023-08-14 Thread Colin Watson
Control: severity -1 serious On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 02:18:51PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > As in: maybe we can leave the symptom open until the freeze period, so > that developers notice the issue and fix their bugs, and on the freeze > period, introduce the workaround so that end users of

Bug#1041731: groff-base: "-" mapped as HYPHEN

2023-08-14 Thread Samuel Thibault
Colin Watson, le dim. 23 juil. 2023 09:46:51 +0100, a ecrit: > For a campaign that would put the burden closer to the correct set of > shoulders, I suggest agitating for the reversal of > https://bugs.debian.org/785353 Yes. I believe we have to do that before even thinking about releasing with

Bug#1041731: groff-base: "-" mapped as HYPHEN

2023-08-14 Thread Samuel Thibault
Control: severity -1 important Hello, I'm marking this important, and am tempted to raise it to serious... The problem at stake is that we have already a hard time making newcomers read manpages. If they can't even trust copying/pasting lines from them, they will just definitely turn away, and

Bug#1041731: groff-base: "-" mapped as HYPHEN

2023-07-23 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2023-07-23T09:46:51+0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 11:54:24PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > I know it's not very generous to observe that Sven either made this > > claim without verifying it first, or had no concern for the facts > > when making it, but it's hard to

Bug#1041731: groff-base: "-" mapped as HYPHEN

2023-07-23 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 09:46:53AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 11:54:24PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > My reasoning is this: > [...] > > It is only through the efforts of people in groups 2 and 4 that any > > headway will be made on the problem. That is where the

Bug#1041731: groff-base: "-" mapped as HYPHEN

2023-07-23 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 11:54:24PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 00:37:43 +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > > [...] the upstream NEWS file [...] make[s] [no] mention of this > > > change, or how to revert it locally. > > Yeah, see, that's where the hyphen-minus brigade

Bug#1041731: groff-base: "-" mapped as HYPHEN

2023-07-23 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2023-07-23 00:37 +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 06:46:28PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: >> This version of groff maps an unescaped "-" to HYPHEN rather than >> HYPHEN-MINUS. Due to that, copying text from manpages or following >> references in the "SEE ALSO" section is

Bug#1041731: groff-base: "-" mapped as HYPHEN

2023-07-22 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi Colin, On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 00:37:43 +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 06:46:28PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > > This version of groff maps an unescaped "-" to HYPHEN rather than > > HYPHEN-MINUS. Due to that, copying text from manpages or following > > references in the

Bug#1041731: groff-base: "-" mapped as HYPHEN

2023-07-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 06:46:28PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > This version of groff maps an unescaped "-" to HYPHEN rather than > HYPHEN-MINUS. Due to that, copying text from manpages or following > references in the "SEE ALSO" section is rather unreliable, because many > manpages contain a

Bug#1041731: groff-base: "-" mapped as HYPHEN

2023-07-22 Thread Sven Joachim
Package: groff-base Version: 1.23.0-2 This version of groff maps an unescaped "-" to HYPHEN rather than HYPHEN-MINUS. Due to that, copying text from manpages or following references in the "SEE ALSO" section is rather unreliable, because many manpages contain a plain "-" where they should have