Bug#762194: On automatic init system switching on upgrade

2014-11-19 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, I would like to see an end to open questions on systemd in Jessie. So, given that the GR is over and no technical proposals for not switching init systems on upgrade to Jessie have been made, is it possible to draw a conclusion to this issue now? I'm not sure there is much to gain from waitin

Bug#762194: On automatic init system switching on upgrade

2014-11-19 Thread Keith Packard
Svante Signell writes: > 4. For the moment, we invite concrete proposals for technical changes >which would arrange that 1. new jessie installations using Linux >would get systemd but 2. existing installations retain their >existing init system so far as possible. > > Solutions exists

Re: Bug#762194: On automatic init system switching on upgrade

2014-11-19 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2014-11-19 at 13:51 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to see an end to open questions on systemd in Jessie. > > So, given that the GR is over and no technical proposals for not > switching init systems on upgrade to Jessie have been made, is it > possible to draw a con

Re: Bug#762194: On automatic init system switching on upgrade

2014-11-20 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 20 Nov 2014, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > On 11/20/2014 06:27 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Nov 2014, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > >> Does this include the "no change is required" option? > > > > I don't think we have such an option even proposed. [Or even, any > > options.] I'd probab

Re: Bug#762194: On automatic init system switching on upgrade

2014-11-20 Thread Bdale Garbee
Don Armstrong writes: > I think we should give people a bit more time to come up with options, > but if no one is even moving by our IRC meeting on December 4th, then > something along these lines seems reasonable to me. I agree. Bdale signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Bug#762194: On automatic init system switching on upgrade

2014-11-21 Thread Sam Hartman
Has the TC asked whether any of the stakeholders want help? I understand why absent options you may not want to do something. But is the release-team and the d-i team and other stakeholders happy with the status quo? I think the answer is yes. However, you've had a number of situations recently w

Bug#765803: Bug#762194: On automatic init system switching on upgrade

2014-11-19 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote: > 4. For the moment, we invite concrete proposals for technical changes >which would arrange that 1. new jessie installations using Linux >would get systemd but 2. existing installations retain their >existing init system so far as possible. >

Bug#765803: Bug#762194: On automatic init system switching on upgrade

2014-11-20 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Don Armstrong writes: > Speaking personally, without specific patches which have been discussed > with the maintainers of the init package and well tested, I'm unlikely > to vote any resolution on this issue above FD. Does this include the "no change is required" option? I would prefer if we

Bug#765803: Bug#762194: On automatic init system switching on upgrade

2014-11-20 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, [ Replying to the bug. ] On 11/20/2014 06:27 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2014, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: >> Don Armstrong writes: >>> Speaking personally, without specific patches which have been discussed >>> with the maintainers of the init package and well tested, I'm unlikely

Re: Bug#765803: Bug#762194: On automatic init system switching on upgrade

2014-11-20 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 20 Nov 2014, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > Don Armstrong writes: > > Speaking personally, without specific patches which have been discussed > > with the maintainers of the init package and well tested, I'm unlikely > > to vote any resolution on this issue above FD. > > Does this include the