Debian GNU/Linux autoconf marked 2.13 is *not* 2.13--fix uploaded.

1999-01-20 Thread Ben Pfaff
Due to a small bug in either autoconf or my build scripts, depending on how you look at it, the Debian GNU/Linux autoconf package version 2.13-1 is actually not autoconf 2.13, it is an older CVS version. I have now uploaded a new, fixed version 2.13-2. It should be available on all Debian mirrors

how rpm does it (Re: Dpkg Update Proposal)

1999-01-20 Thread Joey Hess
As I said before, rpm does have the capability to install 2 different versions of a package simulantaneously. Here's how it works, to the best of my knowledge. User interface: Rpm differentiates between installing a package and upgrading a package. Installing a package (rpm -i) simply unpacks th

Re: Debian goes big business?

1999-01-20 Thread Adam Di Carlo
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:08:53 -0600 (CST), "Eric Gillespie, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I wouldn't mind it if everyone disagreed with what I'm saying. But > it seems as if no one even understands what I'm saying. Sorry about the plug for my own company in my last message. However, I think I

Re: Debian goes big business?

1999-01-20 Thread Adam Di Carlo
On 19 Jan 1999 16:55:29 -0600, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Shawn writes: >> I am all for a for-profit business forming as a value-added seller >> of Debian products. Such a business could focus on >> pre-installations, packaging and marketing, and user support. > Exactly! This is just

Re: possible debian cluster

1999-01-20 Thread Mitch Blevins
On debian-devel, Barak Pearlmutter wrote: > It looks like a big Linux Beowulf cluster kind of thing is going to be > built here at UNM. Hundreds of CPUs, at least. I'd like to convince > them to use Debian and 21264s, but that's up in the air. One big > issue is finding someone good who could be

Re: Debian goes big business?

1999-01-20 Thread Andrew Martin Adrian Cater
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 12:47:52PM -0500, Harrison, Shawn wrote: > So that's what I think we should focus on. -- What is the best way to get > Debian out to the world? > > == > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > == > > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscri

Re: Debian goes big business?

1999-01-20 Thread Ben Pfaff
Laurent Martelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "ChL" == Christian Lavoie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ChL> Bottom line: Debian should remain developer controlled. What about non-developper users ? Shouldn't they have a word to say, even if they can't or do not have the time to

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-20 Thread Joel Klecker
At 4:53 PM -0500 1/20/99, Ben Collins wrote: Ok, after looking at this, I've decided that the cracklib support for PAM would be best handled by having it in a seperate package. I want to propose a naming scheme for module packages for PAM similar to how apache modules are named, libpam-mod-foo, whe

Re: Dpkg Update Proposal

1999-01-20 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > What exactly are you attempting to solve here that has not > already been solved? He's trying to solve the fact that we have package names like "libgtk1.1.11" and "slang0.99.38". > Why do CVS based packages need a special name? I am missing > something here

Re: Debian goes big business?

1999-01-20 Thread Laurent Martelli
> "ChL" == Christian Lavoie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ChL> Bottom line: Debian should remain developer controlled. What about non-developper users ? Shouldn't they have a word to say, even if they can't or do not have the time to contribute with code ? Laurent

Re: texinfo and texi2* in tetex-bin?

1999-01-20 Thread Julian Gilbey
> > >Oh boy! Cammon! Now I need to install 25M (tetex-bin~=10 + > > >tetex-base~=15) just to compile texi files into html or info? > > > > Uhh, not "now", makeinfo and texi2html in tetex-bin is not a new > > development, it's been that way since at least bo, IIRC. > > I know. Doesn't make it any

Re: Dpkg Update Proposal

1999-01-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"fantumn" == fantumn \(Steven Baker\) writes: What is wrong with cvs-buildpackage? I maintain all my packages in CVS, and there is a well defined version based tagging scheme. What exactly are you attempting to solve here that has not already been solved? fantumn> C

Re: Bug#27050 (fdutils): A cause for security concern?

1999-01-20 Thread Avery Pennarun
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 08:56:11PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Avery Pennarun wrote: > > When the docs for a setuid program warn you "not to trust its security" > > then be afraid, be very afraid. It shouldn't be automatically setuid in > > Debian until _some_ security-conscious person has audite

possible debian cluster

1999-01-20 Thread Barak Pearlmutter
It looks like a big Linux Beowulf cluster kind of thing is going to be built here at UNM. Hundreds of CPUs, at least. I'd like to convince them to use Debian and 21264s, but that's up in the air. One big issue is finding someone good who could be in charge of systems software for the beast. So,

Re: Debian v2.1 ("Slink") Deep Freeze

1999-01-20 Thread Steve Dunham
Brian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > pilot-link31806 pilot-link: Can't build from source This bug was filed against the 0.9.0 package and the 0.8.11 package is installed in slink. Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free --> non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread David Welton
On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 09:01:38AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > what this means is that less than a quarter of developers care enough > about specific issues to argue it or vote about it. that's no surprise, > most developers have time to work on one or two (or a dozen or more) > packages but are

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free --> non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 02:32:45AM -0600, Ossama Othman wrote: > > > The fact that my opinions go against what is apparently the Debian > > > mainstream way of thinking doesn't mean that I should leave. > > > > however, if (after you have had your say) the majority of developers > > think you are w

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-20 Thread Ben Collins
Ok, after looking at this, I've decided that the cracklib support for PAM would be best handled by having it in a seperate package. I want to propose a naming scheme for module packages for PAM similar to how apache modules are named, libpam-mod-foo, where foo is the module name. Using this scheme

Dpkg Update Proposal

1999-01-20 Thread fantumn \(Steven Baker\)
Okay, I posted to -devel a few weeks back with a proposal for an update to dpkg. This message is being Cc'd to -devel, and sent to -dpkg. Basically, attached is my proposal (it's long, I'm trimming it down in another rxvt, but, I wanted to get something out for the firing sqaud). Please read it

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-20 Thread Edward Betts
On Wed, 20 Jan, 1999, Brian May wrote: > Maybe the web files should be owned by "www-data" and the web > process should be owned by "www" or "httpd"? This way the > descriptive names continue to make sense. Practical > speaking, it is probably just as good to make web files > owned by root, however

Re: Intent to package cygnus-stylesheets

1999-01-20 Thread Adam Di Carlo
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 04:52:44 -0500, Adam Di Carlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > After comparing the sources closely, I don't think they have forked > the sources. All the diffs in the *actual* stylesheets are either > CVS stuff changing, since they reimported norm's stuff, or > side-effects based on

Re: Dpkg Update Proposal

1999-01-20 Thread Joey Hess
fantumn Steven Baker" wrote: > have this little g (imlib and fnlib come to mind). Since libc5 exists for the > most part only in the hearts of the Slackware users, this 'g' thing can be > dropped. No it can't. Please consider backwards compatability. > Another problem with this is that many pa

Re: cracklib-runtime NMU

1999-01-20 Thread James Troup
Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Previously Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote: > > As I mentioned in an earlier posting, there's no reason for this bug > > to be release-critical. > > This is another bug. Not being able to compile a package at all *is* > a release-critical problem and violat

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-20 Thread Oliver Elphick
Edward Betts wrote: >On Wed, 20 Jan, 1999, Brian May wrote: >> Maybe the web files should be owned by "www-data" and the web >> process should be owned by "www" or "httpd"? This way the >> descriptive names continue to make sense. Practical >> speaking, it is probably just as good to make

Re: Unmet Deps revisted

1999-01-20 Thread Edward Betts
On Wed, 20 Jan, 1999, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >When selecting all packages of a certain priority there should be no > >conflicts. If there are two MTA's, then one is optional, the other is > >extra. I'm sure this is written down in one of our many policy, develop. > >ref, packaging manuals. > >

Follow-up

1999-01-20 Thread fantumn \(Steven Baker\)
Further versions of this proposal will be posted on the WWW, and the address of such revisions will be posted to both -devel and -dpkg.

Re: packages.debian.org

1999-01-20 Thread Edward Betts
On Wed, 20 Jan, 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Given that from your description swish++ sounds like a general purpose > indexer, which has been set up to index 'natural language' is it the best one > for our purposes? The main thing is it is free software, most search engines are not. > > If t

Re: using TABS vs SPACES in E-Mail

1999-01-20 Thread Edward Betts
On Wed, 20 Jan, 1999, Brian May wrote: > Just my 2 cents: I think using TABS is Ok (I personally do not > know if any programs or OS that do not default to 8 characters), > except it messes up the formatting when you quote the message > in many mailers (eg pine, mh), using the Reply function. \beg

Re: make mutt the `standard' mail reader

1999-01-20 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
[RFC 822 says there's no net-wide standard HTAB size] On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 04:09:01PM -0500, Avery Pennarun wrote: > That's what makes it a "de-facto" standard. No, that does not make it a standard of any kind - in fact, it suggests that not even a de facto standard existed. A de facto standa

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free --> non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 12:38:26PM -0600, Ossama Othman wrote: > > It is amazing how people so are ready to snap at something that isn't as > bad as they make it seem. Please don't start quoting what I said. I know > what I said and I know what I meant. You are taking what I said way out > of c

Re: register_frame_info troubles

1999-01-20 Thread Michael Meskes
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 10:53:09AM -0600, Douglas Bates wrote: > I have the same error message from lintian for the r-base package but > am unable to find out why it occurs. I tried checking for the name > frameinfo in every library listed by ldd and I didn't find it. Could it be you compiled you

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-20 Thread Johnie Ingram
"Steve" == Steve Bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> If you want to confuse operators and operands, you Steve> deserve what you ask for, but no one would call this a bug in Steve> bash (would they?). I withdraw the --allow-badname suggestion then -- just wish this was documented in README.

Re: Debian v2.1 ("Slink") Deep Freeze

1999-01-20 Thread Santiago Vila
On 19 Jan 1999, James Troup wrote: > [...] > We regularly do and have been clearing out > release critical bugs against ftp.debian.org ever since the freeze. > > [The exceptions being certain ``release critical'' bugs filed by > Santiago, [...] Please do not confuse "release critical" with "sever

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free --> non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Marcus, > Hell, what are you TALKING about > > > Debian is a voluntary organization. If participation in the police state is > voluntary, I don't care a penny if you can speak up or not, because I would > not be there. > > You are free to enter and to leave Debian. As long as you stay wi

Re: non-free --> non-dfsg

1999-01-20 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Ossama Othman wrote: > Hi Manoj, > > > Ossama> Looking at it from the author's point of view, the author may > > Ossama> feel that Debian's definition of "free" is wrong and his is > > Ossama> right. So he may also think about Debian that "there is > > Ossama> indeed som

Searching i386 binutils package 2.9.1.0.16-1 or earlier

1999-01-20 Thread Matthias Klose
I am looking for an i386 binutils package version 2.9.1.0.16-1 or earlier. Please let me know if you still have such a package (binary or source) or send me a location where I can find it. With the new package I get warnings for every Objective-C program. /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dyn

Re: Bug#32156: anacron: It ran unnexpectedly!

1999-01-20 Thread Shaleh
No one ever picked up anacron. I am doing so now. I just purchased a laptop and am going to use it as a mobile Debian development station. once I get all the bugs worked out in Debian I will work on anacron. Hope to have a new package up in the next week or two. Christian, thank you for writin

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free --> non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 01:16:36AM -0600, Ossama Othman wrote: > Let's assume that we live > in a police state where speaking up against the law is unheard of and > punishable. Which would you prefer: living in a society where people > follow the laws but speak up if the law isn't a fair one in th

Re: Revision 4 of DFSG

1999-01-20 Thread Darren Benham
On 20-Jan-99 Robert Woodcock wrote: > Anthony Towns wrote: >>* Is the Limitation of Liability really a restriction on use or >> distribution? This is just a layout thing, but it'd be nice to >> get it right. > > Neither! > > Also note that in all fields of endeavour you

Re: pseudo package for upgrades from hamm

1999-01-20 Thread Martin Alonso Soto
Robert Woodcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > We need to add a new field - call it anything you want - I called it > "Was-Part-Of:" in an earlier post, but I'm sure there's a better name than > that - "Previously:" maybe. > > Anyway, say slink contains a package 'foobar', version 1.2-3. The > main

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-20 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 11:22:05 -0500, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, J.H.M. Dassen wrote: > > Perhaps the best way for cracklib support in PAM is to redefine PAM's > > packages into "base" and "non-base" ones. The "base" ones should be > > intended for future (potato) inclusion

Intent to package: GramoFile

1999-01-20 Thread Charles Briscoe-Smith
I just rediscovered GramoFile, which was announced on c.o.l.a. a while ago. It's a program for filtering the sound from a gramophone record to make it suitable for recording onto a CD. I've packaged it, and will upload it shortly unless I hear otherwise. -- Charles Briscoe-Smith White pages ent

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-20 Thread Jean Pierre LeJacq
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, J.H.M. Dassen wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 10:34:45 -0500, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote: > > Another Ack! I'd like to see cracklib support enabled in PAM. Can we > > coordinate uploads here? I plan on a new upload of cracklib this weekend > > which will close all existing b

Re: packages.debian.org

1999-01-20 Thread jmlb2
On 20-Jan-99 James A. Treacy wrote: > If it was up to me there wouldn't be any two letter package names. > I'll add two letter words when I recompile. [..snip..] > It appears that 'make' is in the list of ignored words. I'll recompile a > new version. There isn't much I can do about the quality

Re: Debian goes big business?

1999-01-20 Thread Eric Gillespie, Jr.
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Christian Lavoie wrote: > - Debian will lose its spirit if it goes itself for-profit. > - A for-profit corporation based on Debian itself will eventually try > to influence/own it. (Consequences: See previous comment) > > Bottom line: Debian should remain developer controlle

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-20 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 04:50:53PM +0100, J.H.M. Dassen wrote: > > Since no one else has spoken up, I will take over pam. I will also look > > into cracklib support being put back in, > > You're misunderstanding things here: PAM so far has not supported cracklib. > At one point, I was considering

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-20 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 06:39:12 -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 09:46:21AM +0100, J.H.M. Dassen wrote: > > I'm now preparing an upload that'll mark PAM as orphaned. > > Ack! We need pam to be maintained if we want to enable it's use in potato. I agree; my time resources are f

Re: packages.debian.org

1999-01-20 Thread James A. Treacy
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 02:45:16PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: > > Yes, gdb works now. I followed the murphy's law, and tried > packages.debian.org/ae. You know the story... :) > Once again, it doesn't find 'ae' (or bc), but finds aegis{-doc}. > It seems to be only the search error because ae's page

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-20 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 10:34:45AM -0500, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote: > > Ack! We need pam to be maintained if we want to enable it's use in > > potato. I'll take it, if no one intends on doing so themselves. > > Another Ack! I'd like to see cracklib support enabled in PAM. Can we > coordinate upl

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-20 Thread Jean Pierre LeJacq
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Ben Collins wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 09:46:21AM +0100, J.H.M. Dassen wrote: > > > I think that there should be a release critical bug here, but I think it > > > should be #30862: libpam0g depends on cracklib2. > > > > Yup. I've looked at it again, and the dependency i

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-20 Thread Erik Troan
On 20 Jan 1999, Daniel Quinlan wrote: > 1. totally revert, drop /var/mail, and specify /var/spool/mail > 2. partially revert, /var/spool/mail is a directory and /var/mail > must be a symbolic link to it > 3. allow a /var/spool/mail directory, provided that /var/mail is > a symbolic link

Re: Release-critical Bugreport for January 19, 1999

1999-01-20 Thread Jean Pierre LeJacq
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > That said, I plan on cleaning up all the bugs for this package next > > week. > > There appears to be another problem with cracklib: it is missing a > script which means it can't be recompiled, which is clearly a > release-critical bug. Your corre

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-20 Thread Thimo Neubauer
On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 11:29:40PM +0100, Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > Because we, the organizers of LinuxTag '99, would like to invite the > > Debian project to set up a booth at this year's event. Several major > > Linux distributions will be there: SuSE, DLD, re

Re: Debian goes big business?

1999-01-20 Thread Fabrizio Polacco
David Welton wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 04:55:29PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > Shawn writes: > > > > I am all for a for-profit business forming as a value-added seller > > > of Debian products. Such a business could focus on > > > pre-installations, packaging and marketing, and user sup

Re: Bug#32068: multicd can't reinstall removed package

1999-01-20 Thread Martin Schulze
A fixed version has just been uploaded to Incoming. Regards, Joey -- Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.

Re: texinfo and texi2* in tetex-bin?

1999-01-20 Thread Lalo Martins
On Jan 19, Joel Klecker decided to present us with: > At 17:15 -0200 1999-01-19, Lalo Martins wrote: > >Oh boy! Cammon! Now I need to install 25M (tetex-bin~=10 + > >tetex-base~=15) just to compile texi files into html or info? > > Uhh, not "now", makeinfo and texi2html in tetex-bin is not a new

Re: packages.debian.org

1999-01-20 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 09:36:18PM -0500, James A. Treacy wrote: > Try again. The system installed version of the indexing program was being > used instead of my custom job. This has been fixed so it should work correctly > now. Yes, gdb works now. I followed the murphy's law, and tried packages.d

Re: Debian Weekly News - 12 to 18 Jan 1999

1999-01-20 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On 20 Jan 1999, Achim Oppelt wrote: > Just one minor criticism: > > > * For all those interested in XFree 3.3.3, Ben Gertzfield [15]posted > >that the Debian JP group has made their own 3.3.3 packages. They > >can be found at [16]ftp.debian.or.jp. Your mileage may vary, but >

Re: France and Cryptography

1999-01-20 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 03:30:43PM +0200, Fabrizio Polacco wrote: > Sven LUTHER wrote: > > > > > (This becomes slightly off-topic on debian-devel) > > > > no it is not, this means i (living in france) can sign debia npackages > > without becoming > > a dangerous terrorist or whatever, > > > > h

Re: France and Cryptography

1999-01-20 Thread Fabrizio Polacco
Sven LUTHER wrote: > > > (This becomes slightly off-topic on debian-devel) > > no it is not, this means i (living in france) can sign debia npackages > without becoming > a dangerous terrorist or whatever, > > hey in the past i could have been put in jail for that ... Not at all. Restriction w

Re: No intend to package vbox

1999-01-20 Thread Roland Rosenfeld
Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm planning to split up isdnutils sometime into separate parts; > there are many sites where for example vbox isn't used at all, so > having it installed isn't useful. Sound reasonable. > isdnvbox vbox Hmmm, maybe this should be split into two

Re: France and Cryptography

1999-01-20 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 01:16:15PM +0100, Olivier Tharan wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 08:02:34PM +0100, Samuel Tardieu wrote: > > > > FYI, the French Prime Minister just announced that cryptography will > > > > become legal in France! > > On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 01:10:42PM +0100, Sven LUTH

Re: Unmet Deps revisted

1999-01-20 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Martin Schulze wrote: > > When selecting all packages of a certain priority there should be no > > conflicts. > > I think that if I try to install every package with priority extra > some things will start complaining very loudly. "extra"

Release-critical bugs

1999-01-20 Thread Julian Gilbey
The two bugs against lprng have suggestions by me in the bug reports as to how to fix them. If someone can check out my suggestion for /etc/lprng.perms (Bug #23682) and do an NMU, that would be great. Please correct #31889 in the process -- it's just the reversal of two lines in the postinst. I h

Re: non-free --> non-dfsg

1999-01-20 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Craig, > > The point is that it easy to say "I am right and you are wrong." Who > > makes us right and them wrong? > > i think you're missing the point. > > the point has nothing to do with who is right and who is wrong. Somewhere along the way of this thread I unwittingly moved into the ph

Re: Unmet Deps revisted

1999-01-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Martin Schulze wrote: >> Am I missing something here? Where does it say that users should be able >> to install _all_ optional packages? > >When selecting all packages of a certain priority there should be no >conflicts. If there are two MTA's, then one is optional, the other

Re: Unmet Deps revisted

1999-01-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Martin Schulze wrote: > > When selecting all packages of a certain priority there should be no > > conflicts. > > I think that if I try to install every package with priority extra > some things will start complaining very loudly.. Isn't that what Santiago poi

Re: France and Cryptography

1999-01-20 Thread Olivier Tharan
> > On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 08:02:34PM +0100, Samuel Tardieu wrote: > > > FYI, the French Prime Minister just announced that cryptography will > > > become legal in France! On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 01:10:42PM +0100, Sven LUTHER wrote: > it will become legal, but is not yet, isn't it ? > when will b

Re: non-free --> non-dfsg

1999-01-20 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 01:18:37AM -0600, Ossama Othman wrote: > > Ossama> Looking at it from the author's point of view, the author may > > Ossama> feel that Debian's definition of "free" is wrong and his is > > Ossama> right. So he may also think about Debian that "there is > > Ossama> indee

evil strace NMU

1999-01-20 Thread Wichert Akkerman
I just became aware that someone did a NMU for strace, apparently to fix some ARM issues. I strongly urge people to not do that, for several reasons: * nobody notified me of this NMU, I had to learn about it by reading debian-devel-changes * I really don't have to time to track NMUs down to see

Re: Unmet Deps revisted

1999-01-20 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martin Schulze wrote: > When selecting all packages of a certain priority there should be no > conflicts. I think that if I try to install every package with priority extra some things will start complaining very loudly.. Wichert. -- ==

Re: Processed: Change Important Severities

1999-01-20 Thread Wichert Akkerman
severity 31717 important thanks Previously Paul Slootman wrote: > I think that this bug _should_ be important; it's just that it's not > important for slink as the bug is only in the fileutils version in > potato... So, if this is an effort to reduce the number of release- > critical bugs (for _sl

Re: France and Cryptography

1999-01-20 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 03:51:03AM -0800, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 08:02:34PM +0100, Samuel Tardieu wrote: > > FYI, the French Prime Minister just announced that cryptography will > > become legal in France! it will become legal, but is not yet, isn't it ? when will be the l

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-20 Thread Martin Bialasinski
>> "FDG" == Federico Di Gregorio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: FDG> That's fine. If we gather enough english-speaking-developers FDG> german won't be a problem (just to know, how do you say "beer" in FDG> german?) It is "Bier", spoken nearly like the english word beer. But if you ask for a beer,

Re: France and Cryptography

1999-01-20 Thread Joseph Carter
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 08:02:34PM +0100, Samuel Tardieu wrote: > FYI, the French Prime Minister just announced that cryptography will > become legal in France! > > In the meantime (until our representatives adopt the law), the > authorized key sizes go from 40 bits to 128 bits. Now if the idiot

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-20 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 09:46:21AM +0100, J.H.M. Dassen wrote: > > I think that there should be a release critical bug here, but I think it > > should be #30862: libpam0g depends on cracklib2. > > Yup. I've looked at it again, and the dependency is superflous. (I modified > PAM to link it's .so's

Xfree 3.3.3.1 packages...

1999-01-20 Thread Sven LUTHER
Hello, ... i have made some package of the latest version of Xfree86, 3.3.3.1. i have only compiled the powerpc packages, but i did the last part by hand, so i have no changes file yet, and they will be rejected, anyway i upload them to incoming so other people can play with them ... the files a

Re: Bug#32156: anacron: It ran unnexpectedly!

1999-01-20 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > Package: anacron > Version: 2.0.1-2 > > This I cannot explain, my system has been running for the past 43 days without > interruption and just now anacron fired up and started running things, at > 12:30 on the dot - for the first time! > > What gives

Re: Unmet Deps revisted

1999-01-20 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 10:22:39AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Santiago Vila writes: > >>> smail is still optional, but conflicts with exim, so it should be extra. > >>> hello-debhelper conflicts with hello, and has absolutely no extra > >>> functionality over ordinary hello, so the binary sh

Re: No intend to package vbox

1999-01-20 Thread Paul Slootman
On Tue 19 Jan 1999, Roland Rosenfeld wrote: > > As far as I can see isdnutils-3.0-8 includes vbox 2.0.0 beta 5, which > is a little bit newer than vbox 2 beta 4 with the following changes: I'm planning to split up isdnutils sometime into separate parts; there are many sites where for example vbox

Re: Unmet Deps revisted

1999-01-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Santiago Vila writes: > >>> smail is still optional, but conflicts with exim, so it should be extra. > >>> hello-debhelper conflicts with hello, and has absolutely no extra > >>> functionality over ordinary hello, so the binary should be removed, in > >>> either case it s

Re: Debian v2.1 ("Slink") Deep Freeze

1999-01-20 Thread Paul Slootman
On Tue 19 Jan 1999, Branden Robinson wrote: > > XFree86 3.3.2.3a-8pre9v4 is available at > http://master.debian.org/~branden/xfree86/ . This doesn't seem to have the patches CRITICAL to the alpha port yet! I sent you a note around 7th January about this, saying where you could find the patches I

Re: Unmet Deps revisted

1999-01-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
Santiago Vila writes: >>> smail is still optional, but conflicts with exim, so it should be extra. >>> hello-debhelper conflicts with hello, and has absolutely no extra >>> functionality over ordinary hello, so the binary should be removed, in >>> either case it should be extra. >>> gmc conflicts

Intent to package mixal

1999-01-20 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
For those of you who are Knuth devotees like me, MIXAL should ring a bell. For others, I have added a small description below [1]. I'm going to package a MIX/MIXAL implementation (unimaginatively called mixal by its author), the one which was designed and written by Darius Bacon, then ported to U

Re: Debian appears to be ancient

1999-01-20 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 10:19:10PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > I wrote: > > hasler/~ ll /usr/doc/copyright/base > > total 2 > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1197 Dec 31 1969 debian.README > > Ben Pfaff writes: > > So what package does it come from, then, and what version? > > I don

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-20 Thread Anthony Towns
(on /var/mail vs /var/spool/mail) On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 12:19:26AM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > Since this is "the objection that won't die", I'm currently > > considering four "ways out" of the mess created by this change that > > went into FHS 2.0. > > 1. totally revert, drop /var/mail, a

Re: Processed: Change Important Severities

1999-01-20 Thread Paul Slootman
On Sun 17 Jan 1999, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: > > > severity 31717 normal > Bug#31717: fileutils: 'mv regularfile symlink' problems > Severity set to `normal'. I think that this bug _should_ be important; it's just that it's not important for slink as the bug is only in the fileutils vers

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-20 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 02:22:14AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > Federico Di Gregorio wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 03:54:55PM +0100, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > > Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > End of June.. sounds like I'll be able to be there. Does anyone kn

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-20 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 02:00:02AM +0100, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Federico Di Gregorio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am thinking about being there (I'll come from italy). If you > > find something, Wichert, can you please let me know... I CAN'T > > read

Re: libpam, cracklib, and slink (was Re: Release-critical...)

1999-01-20 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 22:38:15 -0800, Chris Waters wrote: > At the moment, everyone who installs ppp-pam (like me) will be forced to > install cracklib, and suffer with daily emails to root. We need to fix > libpam0g. Unfortunately, the maintainer seems to be inactive, and we're > dependent on

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-20 Thread Theodore Y. Ts'o
From: "H. Peter Anvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:19:26 -0800 (PST) I believe the FHS 2.0 change was right on target. Just about every UNIX implementation today has moved away from /var/spool/mail to /var/mail, and it has technical advantages. If anything, sp

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free --> non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Craig, > > I get the impression that my objectivity is being misinterpreted again. > > not sure what you mean by that. i thought i was quite careful to state > that i was using a generic "you" in my examples, and not referring to you > personally. if you got that impression, then i apologise

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-20 Thread H. Peter Anvin
> > I would *much* prefer this, I just didn't think I'd be able to win > > the argument. > > Since this is "the objection that won't die", I'm currently > considering four "ways out" of the mess created by this change that > went into FHS 2.0. > > 1. totally revert, drop /var/mail, and specify /

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free --> non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread Craig Sanders
On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 06:19:46PM -0600, Ossama Othman wrote: > Hi Craig, > > I get the impression that my objectivity is being misinterpreted again. not sure what you mean by that. i thought i was quite careful to state that i was using a generic "you" in my examples, and not referring to you

Re: Resolutions to comments on LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0

1999-01-20 Thread Daniel Quinlan
[ I added the FHS and debian-devel mailing lists to the Cc list, so a huge number of people are now being Cc'ed -- sorry. ] Florian La Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> So if there are no other bigger standards that would make it very >> convenient to move all Linux-distributions to /var/mai

Re: LSB?

1999-01-20 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Reasonable objection notwithstanding, I intend to write a letter to those > responsible for the LSB to attempt to raise the issues we have with their > current proposal. I would appreciate discussion on these issues in other > parts of this thread. I e

Re: Debian Weekly News - 12 to 18 Jan 1999

1999-01-20 Thread Achim Oppelt
Hello Joey, Thank you very much for your Debian Weekly News! I find them quite helpful for keeping up-to-date with Debian development without having to read all the mailing lists. Just one minor criticism: > * For all those interested in XFree 3.3.3, Ben Gertzfield [15]posted >that

Re: non-free --> non-dfsg

1999-01-20 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Manoj, > Ossama> Looking at it from the author's point of view, the author may > Ossama> feel that Debian's definition of "free" is wrong and his is > Ossama> right. So he may also think about Debian that "there is > Ossama> indeed something wrong that they should know about." > > T

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-20 Thread Brian May
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: > >"Bart" == Bart Schuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >Bart> Is www-data the uid of the web server process or is it the owner >Bart> of the served files? > >Hm, good point. At the moment its both -- /var/www is installed as >www-data.www-data, but other

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free --> non-dfsg)

1999-01-20 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Manoj, > >> Those with opinions that differ from the mainstream should not be > >> branded "heretics" or encouraged to leave. > > Why not? Isn't that rather extreme? :) > When views of people differ in detail ,there is basis for a > dialogue. When even the fundamentals are co

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