Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-07 Thread Florian Weimer
Dominik Kubla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 05:02:19PM +0200, Guillaume Morin wrote: > > > > RFC793 says > > > > Reserved: 6 bits > > > > Reserved for future use. Must be zero. > > > > > > The last statement is the cause of all confusions. s/Must/Should/ would >

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-07 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Florian Weimer | This knife cuts both sides. Why should someone bother to forward | non-conformant packages? Because they are reserved and might be used for some useful purpose one day, which they are now. -- Tollef Fog Heen You Can't Win

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 7 Sep 2001, Florian Weimer wrote: > This knife cuts both sides. Why should someone bother to forward > non-conformant packages? "Reserved" bits can have any value. Routers need to _ignore_ them if they don't know what they mean (that is, if they're too old). They must _generate_ packages with

Re: Wherabouts of buildd logs

2001-09-07 Thread Steve Kowalik
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 08:49:17PM -0700, Stephen Zander uttered: > I'm trying to track down why some of my packages have not made into > testing. update_excuses shows one of them as out of date on hppa, but > doesn't give a buildd log showing why. Do hppa buildd logs exist > online anywhere? >

Re: Bug#111309: ITP: xtail -- like "tail -f", but works on truncated files, directories, more

2001-09-07 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:21:04PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:09:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:08:21 +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Do you want to go for another name then ? I find it quite confusing. mta

Re: A script to see how much a package is depended upon.

2001-09-07 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 12:11:28AM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > Hello, > > > I was writing a script to see how much a package is depended upon, > i. e. cumulatively culculating Reverse-Build-Deps, and > Reverse-dependencies. However, I thought it might be useful to see > what kind of package

Re: dispersive translation via DDTS

2001-09-07 Thread Mikhail Sobolev
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:01:55AM +0900, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote: > However, I think the "official translator" should be able to be > changed easily, though I don't have concrete idea now. The best way would be to make it possible for the translation coordinator. -- Misha

Re: Bug#111309: ITP: xtail -- like "tail -f", but works on truncated files, directories, more

2001-09-07 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:56:37AM +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote: > On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:21:04PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:09:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:08:21 +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: Reasons why package central approach to handling translations may be suboptimal

2001-09-07 Thread Richard Atterer
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 08:10:10PM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote: > no, don't re-invent the wheel. This all make gettext. We don't need > patch apt, dpkg, other toold this way. > > We must only use a old, nice and tested tool: gettext. Nice, I wasn't aware it solves the encoding problem as well! T

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-07 Thread Christian Kurz
On 01-09-06 Nick Phillips wrote: > On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 07:47:26PM +0200, Christian Kurz wrote: > > > > upstream packages because they are not part of a package? The > > > > translation of the error messages and other messages of a program belong > > > > to the package of it. > > > That depend

Re: Translating Debian packages' descriptions

2001-09-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:48:06PM -0400, Joey Hess écrivait: > Maybe you missed my mail in which I stated that now that someone had > bothered to tell me this was a problem, I could fix in it about oh, 10 > minutes. > > The only reason I have not yet is that debconf is currently frozen, > along w

Re: What is debian.net used for?

2001-09-07 Thread Mikael Hedin
A new option! (I.e. new to me. Should have RTFM.) Thanks! -- Mikael Hedin, MSc +46 (0)980 79176 Swedish Institute of Space Physics +46 (0)8 344979 (home) Box 812, S-981 28 KIRUNA, Sweden+46 (0)70 5891533 (mobile) [gpg key fingerprint = 387F A8DB DC2A 50E3 FE26 30C4 5793 29

Re: isync vs mailsync

2001-09-07 Thread Brian May
> "GOTO" == GOTO Masanori <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: GOTO> wanderlust (package: wl) ? It is also slow but it has nice GOTO> feature including mail caching and imap disconnect mode. Looks Interesting. I even found documentation in English! It seems to be a good mail reader, but I

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-07 Thread T.Pospisek's MailLists
On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Alex Pennace wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:37:06PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > > Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Why should the default configuration be changed to account for the > > > diminishing number of broken routers on the net? > > > > From a

Re: dispersive translation via DDTS

2001-09-07 Thread Michael Bramer
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 12:25:05PM +0400, Mikhail Sobolev wrote: > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:01:55AM +0900, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote: > > However, I think the "official translator" should be able to be > > changed easily, though I don't have concrete idea now. > The best way would be to make it possi

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-07 Thread Nick Phillips
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:35:06AM +0200, Christian Kurz wrote: > So you want to compare packages from an upstream with packages created > by either someone or a team for a distribution? No, I'm saying that if you're dealing with a package that will be distributed by means over which you have no

http://standard.debian.net/ now available

2001-09-07 Thread Martin Michlmayr
http://standard.debian.net/ is now available showing all bugs in standard. 8 RC bugs are currently open. I think gpm needs an NMU, although I'm not sure. It would surely be great if someone could look into #85551 and #110112 (merged) and submit a patch. The bug in mig (needed for Hurd only) is

Re: Reasons why package central approach to handling translations may be suboptimal

2001-09-07 Thread Michael Bramer
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 11:47:36AM +0200, Richard Atterer wrote: > On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 08:10:10PM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote: > > no, don't re-invent the wheel. This all make gettext. We don't need > > patch apt, dpkg, other toold this way. > > > > We must only use a old, nice and tested tool

Re: http://standard.debian.net/ now available

2001-09-07 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 01:58:37PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > http://standard.debian.net/ is now available showing all bugs in > standard. 8 RC bugs are currently open. "Standard" for the purpose of the freeze also includes all packages included in tasks. Roughly http://ftp-master.debian.

Re: http://standard.debian.net/ now available

2001-09-07 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Anthony Towns [20010907 23:18]: > "Standard" for the purpose of the freeze also includes all packages > included in tasks. Roughly http://ftp-master.debian.org/~ajt/stddscs.txt. Right, I forgot about those; fixed now. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Base freeze on? Will autobuilders use it?

2001-09-07 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Has base actually frozen? Is there a space on www.debian.org to track this? Or which mailing list? More importantly, will autobuilders use it? If they don't and rather continue to track unstable, then how will new optional package enter testing before the `optional' freeze? They may get bui

Re: Base freeze on? Will autobuilders use it?

2001-09-07 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:50:14AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > If they don't and rather continue to track unstable, then how > will new optional package enter testing before the `optional' > freeze? They may get built against library versions that aren't > in woody and thus never allowed to

Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread Blake_2_Drayson
Hi         I'm a student at Kent University Canterbury UK I will be starting my final year project some time next year and I am looking to find a project that involves linux development ideally kernel / module based or a port of software to a specific platform.  I am unsure as to what projects are

Re: Bug#111309: ITP: xtail -- like "tail -f", but works on truncated files, directories, more

2001-09-07 Thread David Starner
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:56:37AM +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote: > OK, that makes 2 packages out of ... > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ zgrep Package > /var/lib/apt/lists/192.168.2.73_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages\ > |grep ' x' |wc -l > 417 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ > > > 417 (

"wipe" WARNING (it will delete parent files and directories!)

2001-09-07 Thread Adam Warner
Package: wipe (0.16-4) Version: This is wipe version 0.16, Jul 8 2001 by Berke Durak, compiled Jul 8 2001. If you wipe hidden directories using the command: wipe -r .* once it has finished deleting files down the directory tree it will move up to the root of your hard disk while continuing to

Re: Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 03:18:35PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi > I'm a student at Kent University Canterbury UK I will be starting > my final year project some time next > year and I am looking to find a project that involves linux development > ideally kernel / module based or a

Re: Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 03:18:35PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi > I'm a student at Kent University Canterbury UK I will be starting > my final year project some time next > year and I am looking to find a project that involves linux development > ideally kernel / module based or a

Re: Bug#111309: ITP: xtail -- like "tail -f", but works on truncated files, directories, more

2001-09-07 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:29:13AM -0500, David Starner wrote: > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:56:37AM +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote: > > OK, that makes 2 packages out of ... > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ zgrep Package > > /var/lib/apt/lists/192.168.2.73_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Pack

Re: http://standard.debian.net/ now available

2001-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
Hello, On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 01:58:37PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > http://standard.debian.net/ is now available showing all bugs in > > standard. 8 RC bugs are currently open. > "Standard" for the purpose of the freeze also includes all packa

Re: http://standard.debian.net/ now available

2001-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Steve Langasek wrote: > Just curious, why does 'samba' appear on this list? The package is priority: > optional in both potato and sid (not yet present in testing), Correction: Samba is present in woody, but it's the same version that was released with potato -- complete with

Re: Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread T.Pospisek's MailLists
Add versioning to debian packet management. Something like: # apt-get install package # # damn it broke my server again!! # apt-get rewind package *t Tomas Pospisek SourcePole - Linux & Open

Re: Release-critical Bugreport for September 7, 2001

2001-09-07 Thread Sven
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 06:00:02AM -0500, BugScan reporter wrote: > Package: camlp4 (debian/main) > Maintainer: Fernando Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 108003 camlp4_3.02-1 fails to autobuild on m68k mmm, both camlp4_3.02-1_m68k.deb and camlp4_3.02-2_m68k.deb are in the archive. Also This bug

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-07 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 12:47:05PM +0200, T.Pospisek's MailLists wrote: > On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Alex Pennace wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:37:06PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > > > Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > Why should the default configuration be changed to a

Re: Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread Vince Mulhollon
On 09/07/2001 09:45:35 AM "T.Pospisek's MailLists" wrote: >> Add versioning to debian packet management. Something like: >> >> # apt-get install package >> # # damn it broke my server again!! >> # apt-get rewind package I'd prefer something "like CVS" so I could roll back to milestones or back t

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-07 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:02:48AM -0500, Nathan E Norman wrote: > Nazis. Hitler. Microsoft rules! > > (Die thread die!) You fool you! Godwin's law is powerless when deliberately invoked... ('s' a bit like the chronicles of thomas covenant, now I think about it) Jules

Re: Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:13:50AM -0500, Vince Mulhollon wrote: > > On 09/07/2001 09:45:35 AM "T.Pospisek's MailLists" wrote: > > >> Add versioning to debian packet management. Something like: > >> > >> # apt-get install package > >> # # damn it broke my server again!! > >> # apt-get rewind pack

Re: Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 04:45:35PM +0200, "T.Pospisek's MailLists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > # apt-get install package > # # damn it broke my server again!! > # apt-get rewind package Aside from the fact that the specific packages may not handle this gracefully, and that you may n

Re: http://standard.debian.net/ now available

2001-09-07 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 11:18:43PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > abiword 108986 open serious > abiword 109580 open grave I'm working on a new version of Abiword, will check if it helps with these.

Re: Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:13:50AM -0500, Vince Mulhollon wrote: > Integrating CVS into Debian (as a core component, not just a package) would > be a long, complex, and rewarding project. But futile and misguided. CVS has whole swathes of fundamental flaws, largely historical. Better to integrate

How to make your custom debian packages apt-gettable

2001-09-07 Thread Oohara Yuuma
I wrote a documentation "How to make your custom debian packages apt-gettable". Have I re-invented the wheel? sgml (DocBook) source http://www.interq.or.jp/libra/oohara/apt-gettable/apt-gettable.sgml html version (formatted with NewbieDoc style sheet) http://www.interq.or.jp/libra/oohara/apt-gett

Re: Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread Vince Mulhollon
On 09/07/2001 11:20:42 AM Andrew Suffield wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:13:50AM -0500, Vince Mulhollon wrote: >> > Integrating CVS into Debian (as a core component, not just a package) would >> > be a long, complex, and rewarding project. >> >> But futile and misguided. CVS has whole swath

Re: Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread Roland Mas
Vince Mulhollon (2001-09-07 12:21:30 -0500) : > On 09/07/2001 11:20:42 AM Andrew Suffield wrote: > >>> But futile and misguided. CVS has whole swathes of fundamental flaws, >>> largely historical. Better to integrate with something similar to CVS > > References? Just curious what the huge problem

Re: Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread Glenn McGrath
On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:21:30 -0500 "Vince Mulhollon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 09/07/2001 11:20:42 AM Andrew Suffield wrote: > > >> On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:13:50AM -0500, Vince Mulhollon wrote: > >> > Integrating CVS into Debian (as a core component, not just a package) > would > >> >

Re: isync vs mailsync

2001-09-07 Thread Tommi Virtanen
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > - delete message on client => gets transfered again on next download. > > Not if you can set up your mail client properly. If using mutt, set > > maildir_trash. > I typed in "rm Maildir/cur/*" and all messages were copied over again > from scratch. Noth

Re: Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread Vince Mulhollon
On 09/07/2001 09:21:27 PM Glenn McGrath wrote: >> The command line arguments CVS use are truely original, which is a really >> really bad thing ! >> >> :pserver:, :ext: mixed with environment variables crazy... what were >> they thinking when they came up with that stuff, not simplicity thats

Bug#111609: ITP: cathedral-book -- The Eric S Raymond book "The Cathedral and the Bazaar"

2001-09-07 Thread bagpuss
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2001-09-07 Severity: wishlist Package name: cathedral-book Version : 3.0 (probably) Upstream Author : Eric S Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> URL : http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings License : Open Publication License versi

Re: Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread Alan Shutko
Glenn McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I hate CVS, i thought everyone else did as well and people only used it > because of a lack of alternatives. http://subversion.tigris.org -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors! Silverman's Law: If Murphy's Law can go wrong, it w

Re: How to make your custom debian packages apt-gettable

2001-09-07 Thread Jens Ruehmkorf
Hi, > I wrote a documentation "How to make your custom debian packages > apt-gettable". I think a mini-howto like yours is desirable, especially for new users, to better utilize their use of apt. Since your docs aim at the beginner, I would include some more specific examples, then it would indee

Re: Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 02:56:23PM -0400, Alan Shutko wrote: > Glenn McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I hate CVS, i thought everyone else did as well and people only used it > > because of a lack of alternatives. > > http://subversion.tigris.org OT: galeon does not like this website muc

Clueless bug reports from autobuilders.

2001-09-07 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, I am getting more of these bug reports from autobuilders, and I would like to suggest this. Many just send me a bug log, and that doesn't really tell me much, because it lacks the following information : o what kind of things may be broken for the arch? o what version of gcc it is running o

libasound2-dev and alsa-headers

2001-09-07 Thread Junichi Uekawa
It seems like in the current unstable, libasound2-dev and alsa-headers have a mismatch, and doesn't let packages which depend on libasound2-dev to build. I am uncertain as to if everything will not rebuild, or only some packages. Enlighten me on how I would fix the build failure errors. It's a

Re: How to make your custom debian packages apt-gettable

2001-09-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 01:22:00AM +0900, Oohara Yuuma wrote: > I wrote a documentation > "How to make your custom debian packages apt-gettable". > Have I re-invented the wheel? Not afaik, but you've chosen a rather complex method for it. Here's my ~/bin/makepackages: #!/bin/sh apt-ftparchive pa

Re: How to make your custom debian packages apt-gettable

2001-09-07 Thread Oohara Yuuma
[moving the thread to debian-doc; see Mail-Followup-To:] [for debian-doc people: please Cc: to me because I am subscribed to only debian-devel] On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 22:42:42 +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 01:22:00AM +0900, Oohara Yuuma wrote: > > I wrote a documentation > >

Re: How to make your custom debian packages apt-gettable

2001-09-07 Thread Oohara Yuuma
[moving the thread to debian-doc; see Mail-Followup-To:] [for debian-doc people: please Cc: to me because I am subscribed to only debian-devel] On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:12:00 +0200, Jens Ruehmkorf wrote: > > I wrote a documentation "How to make your custom debian packages > > apt-gettable". > > I thi

Re: isync vs mailsync

2001-09-07 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:43:09AM +1000, Brian May wrote: > Despite these problems, Gnus is the only program I have seen that will > highlight replies to my mail, something I find very valuable in large > mailing lists like this one. btw, mutt will do that. it highlights messages sent by or to yo

Locale for i18n boot-floppies

2001-09-07 Thread Marcin Owsiany
Since nobody helped on debian-boot, I'm posting this here. Anyone? thanks Marcin -- Marcin Owsiany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://marcin.owsiany.pl/ GnuPG: 1024D/60F41216 FE67 DA2D 0ACA FC5E 3F75 D6F6 3A0D 8AA0 60F4 1216 --- Begin Message --- Hi! The status is that we need a locale f

Re: http://standard.debian.net/ now available

2001-09-07 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:39:03AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 01:58:37PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > > http://standard.debian.net/ is now available showing all bugs in > > > standard. 8 RC bugs are currently open. > >

Cruft update

2001-09-07 Thread Francois Gouget
Hi, I'm currently sitting on a pile of cruft filter file updates. The reason I'm sitting on it is that I don't know what to do with them. I already asked a similar question about this some time ago but got no answer. At first sight it would seem logical to simply send a bug report agai

Re: Locale for i18n boot-floppies

2001-09-07 Thread Tomohiro KUBOTA
Hello, At Sat, 8 Sep 2001 02:29:39 +0200, Marcin Owsiany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However I seem to lack the knowledge needed to compile it: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ LANG=C localedef -i c-utf8-in C-at-UTF8 > /usr/share/i18n/locales/i18n:1597: LC_MONETARY: unknown character in field > `curre

Re: Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread Glenn McGrath
On Fri, 07 Sep 2001 14:56:23 -0400 "Alan Shutko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Glenn McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I hate CVS, i thought everyone else did as well and people only used it > > because of a lack of alternatives. > > http://subversion.tigris.org > Yes, interesting, i ha

Re: Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread Alan Shutko
Glenn McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [subversion] > It looks like a candidate to be packaged as well. Maybe not yet, though ISTR there's a Debian Developer who follows subversion. Right now, its under extreme development and just started self-hosting, so people interested in it probably wa