Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 08:08:56PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Second, your example seems totally fabricated. If there were a > > > plausible enterprise--ANYONE--who was seriously planning on using this > > > engine to make free levels t

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Second, your example seems totally fabricated. If there were a > > plausible enterprise--ANYONE--who was seriously planning on using this > > engine to make free levels that don't depend on id's nonfree stuff, > > then I'd buy your argument. But there

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 07:56:26PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The purpose of the sources released is a gaming engine. They did not > > release "quale2 the game", which is what the data files consist of. > > Notice that lots of games from I

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 10:49:33PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 06:57:45PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > But quake2-engine does not depend on anything to fulfill it's purpose. > > > It is a gaming engine, not a

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The purpose of the sources released is a gaming engine. They did not > release "quale2 the game", which is what the data files consist of. > Notice that lots of games from Id are based on the quake3 engine. They > aren't quake3, but they use the same engin

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 06:57:45PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > But quake2-engine does not depend on anything to fulfill it's purpose. > > It is a gaming engine, not a game. This is the same logic that applies > > to libraries and interprete

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But quake2-engine does not depend on anything to fulfill it's purpose. > It is a gaming engine, not a game. This is the same logic that applies > to libraries and interpreters. Huh? The purpose of quake2 is not to run quake levels and be a playable game?

Re: Sparc buildd a cross-compiler?

I ran across something similar a while ago when trying to get MySQL to compile on Solaris. It turned out that, since I had installed gcc from a package off of sunfreeware.com, it considered itself a cross-compiler. Actually downloading the gcc source tarball and compiling it locally fixed the

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 04:08:30PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 12:22:27AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > > > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > Ok, I'm going to upload libgaming. Noth

Re: ITA: lvs - Linux Virtual Server kernel patches and support programs

> "Colin" == Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Colin> I suspect Junichi's point may be that the normal way to ask Colin> about the progress of an ITA is to ask the people who did Colin> the ITA and cc that discussion to the appropriate bug Colin> report. (If it isn't his

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 12:22:27AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Ok, I'm going to upload libgaming. Nothing yet has been created for it, > > > but it is possible. Should I upload it to contri

Bug#126317: ITP: robotournament -- Game where players program their robots against each other

Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2001-12-24 Severity: wishlist * Package name: robotournament Version : x.y.z Upstream Author : Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.some.org/ * License : (GPL, LGPL, BSD, MIT/X, etc.) Description : Game where pla

Re: Need some shell scripting help

Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I prefer > print -l * Or the portable printf "%s\n" * -- Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 is out! ( http://www.debian.org/ ) Email: Herbert Xu ~{PmV>HI~} <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Home Page: http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/ PGP Key: http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbe

Re: [The good, the bad and] The Ugly -- the cosmetic rant

> I can see where a patch.diff might come in. It may not always be the > result of a DD not cleaning out the debian/ directory before building. > It may even be an essential part of the build process. Yes, but probably with a more suitable name.. (note that I checked the patch.diff itself, and it

Re: pre-dependency for fetchmail, fetchmail-ssl

On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 07:49:10PM +0100, Torsten Landschoff wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 08:51:51AM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: > > > So you can never have two packages that depend on each other? > > > > Correct. > > Isn't there this loop break hack in dpkg to allow for that? Not that > I would

Building guppi - what libs am I missing?

Hi, I'm getting the following errors from configure when I try to build guppi from source : *** The gdk-pixbuf-config script installed by GDK_PIXBUF could not be found *** If GDK_PIXBUF was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in *** your path, or set the GDK_PIXBUF_CONFIG environ

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 01:42:41PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > > blimpo:~# gcc > > gcc: No input files > > > > You have to write or get code for gcc. Should we deliver a hello.c with > > gcc to meet those same requirements? You do realize that there ar

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Peter Makholm wrote: > Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > But I wouldn't dream of trying to do such a thing without a game engine to > > test it on. How else to you test what you built? Why would you ever build > > a game without an engine to run it on? > > How i

Re: pre-dependency for fetchmail, fetchmail-ssl

On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 08:51:51AM -0600, Adam Heath wrote: > > So you can never have two packages that depend on each other? > > Correct. Isn't there this loop break hack in dpkg to allow for that? Not that I would suggest having two packages depend on each other... :) cu Torsten pgps

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

Previously Ben Collins wrote: > PC emulators that require a BIOS rom. LinuxBIOS. Wichert. -- _ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] This space intentionally left occupied \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | |

Re: Need some shell scripting help

also sprach Adam Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.23.1822 +0100]: > > fishbowl:..b/pantsfullofunix.net> print -l * > > adequacy.org_hacker.html > > index.html > > mirror/ > > ms_white/ > > www.unix-vs-nt.org/ > > fishbowl:..b/pantsfullofunix.net> > > You mean like ls -1 ? pretty much ;) -- m

Re: Need some shell scripting help

On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 06:09:28PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Torsten Landschoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.23.1755 +0100]: > > > print -l * > > > > What should this do in your opinion? For me, print is something > > quite different: > > it's a shell built-in of zsh, and -l pr

Re: RFC: Categories instead of Section - reworked

On Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:00:47 +0100 "Erich Schubert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i reworked my proposal and ask for comments again. > > In Woody, this separation was mostly removed with the package pool. The seperation you are refering to here has to do with directory layout, which is a totall

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 12:01:47PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 03:44:16AM -0500, Zephaniah E. Hull wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 11:50:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > > > If there *are* playable levels available for quake2 (which need > > > nothing in the

Re: Need some shell scripting help

> What should this do in your opinion? For me, print is something > quite different: That's because you're not using zsh. It prints each argument, using newline as an output separator. Also you could use print -N if you prefer NULs instead of newlines. print -N **/*.c | xargs -0 echo is equiv

Re: Need some shell scripting help

also sprach Torsten Landschoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.23.1755 +0100]: > > print -l * > > What should this do in your opinion? For me, print is something > quite different: it's a shell built-in of zsh, and -l prints the arguments as newlines instead of separated by spaces. fishbowl:..b/pa

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 03:44:16AM -0500, Zephaniah E. Hull wrote: > On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 11:50:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > If there *are* playable levels available for quake2 (which need > > nothing in the way of non-free game data) then of course it belongs > > (along with t

RFC: Categories instead of Section - reworked

i reworked my proposal and ask for comments again. Greetings, Erich GNU Trove Categories for Debian Packages Preface: Dselect has been the bug-a-boo scaring novice users from installing Debian. Tasksel, aptitude, console-apt and gnome-apt have a

Re: Need some shell scripting help

On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 07:58:31PM -0500, Clint Adams wrote: > I prefer > > print -l * What should this do in your opinion? For me, print is something quite different: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ whatis print print (3ncurses) - ship binary data to printer print (1)- execute programs

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 12:22:27AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Ok, I'm going to upload libgaming. Nothing yet has been created for it, > > but it is possible. Should I upload it to contrib? > > Can you give me an example of *anything* you

Re: Flamewars & Why pedantic spelling is good.

On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 08:15:40PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > any search on google or other search engines will reveal many thousands > of uses of the word 'zonefile'. like i said, it's in common usage in > the field and has been for years. but that couldn't possibly be > evidence, could it?

Re: [kmail] yes, it's stuffed (bug 123337)

The SIGILL issue should be fixed in the 4:2.2.2-8 upload of kdenetwork. Please give that a whirl. If it still SIGILLs for you, and you're sure you have -8 installed, please contact me and also reply to this thread. Daniel is currently out of contact due to his primary MX dying, but I can notify

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Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 01:44:23PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > I checked a handful and they are all optional. Optional seems correct > to me; extra is (from memory) for packages which require add-on hardware > or which conflict with standard or higher priority packages, which > doesn't apply to

ITP: mconfig -- kernel configuration tool

Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2001-12-23 Severity: wishlist * Package name: mconfig Version : 0.20 Upstream Author : Christoph Hellwig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * License : GPL Description : mconfig is a tool to configure a Linux kernel. Unlike th

Re: Detecting dependency cycles and conflict dependency problems in packages

On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 01:38:44 +0100 "Nicolas Chauvat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyhow, my pet project for tonight was to write such a graph checker. I (and others i know of) have thought about this problem, it is an intersting problem, i dont think anybody has come up with a good solution yet.

Re: Detecting dependency cycles and conflict dependency problems in packages

Bernhard R. Link wrote: * Nicolas Chauvat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011222 01:53]: [...] (I am using testing). [...] What I call a conflict dependency problem is something like (A conflicts with B and B depends on A). I saw at least one case where this was on purpose to facilitate upgrade, but I would

Debian packages of SE Linux update

I've put a new version of my packaging of selinux-small online at http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ . I now have it generate packages libselinux-dev (header files and library for compilation) and flask (policy files and utilities). The flask package uses /etc/flask for the policy configuration

Re: 2 package(s) to rebuild on i386/stable

Previously Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > I've been unable to find any details about this problem, and do not > know if it is present in Debian. If it is, libc in Stable and Testing > should updated. They should be updated indeed. Welcome to my christmas `holiday'.. Wichert. -- ___

Re: man pages for SE functions

On Sun, 23 Dec 2001 12:54, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Russell Coker wrote: > > How should I handle this? Should I divert the existing files (in this > > case the file /usr/share/man/man2/send.2.gz) and then provide extra > > sym-links in my package for the new system calls? > > That soun

Re: 2 package(s) to rebuild on i386/stable

[Martinf] > For further explanation please check the detailed report at > . Is the security problem with libc glob() present i Potato? According to http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2001-160.html>, the bug is present in 2.2.4, and according to http:/

2 package(s) to rebuild on i386/stable

These packages have to be rebuilt for stable on i386 in order to let the packages go into 2.2r5. Please find URLs to source packages attached below for convenience. When uploading, please take care of the distribution, which should contain 'stable' and nothing else. For further explanation please

Re: man pages for SE functions

Previously Russell Coker wrote: > How should I handle this? Should I divert the existing files (in this case > the file /usr/share/man/man2/send.2.gz) and then provide extra sym-links in > my package for the new system calls? That sounds like a good solution, as long as the manpage states very

Re: Detecting dependency cycles and conflict dependency problems in packages

* Nicolas Chauvat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011222 01:53]: > [...] (I am using testing). [...] > What I call a conflict dependency problem is something like (A conflicts > with B and B depends on A). I saw at least one case where this was on > purpose to facilitate upgrade, but I would say that it is

Re: Quake2/GPL: At least source should go into main

> I wonder how many people in either of these threads have actually downloaded > this source and looked at it? i have. I even got it to compile... and i think it'll need quite some work to get useful... it has inline asm gcc doesn't like; the ref_glx driver is missing; it currently requires svgali

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 11:50:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > If there *are* playable levels available for quake2 (which need > nothing in the way of non-free game data) then of course it belongs > (along with those levels) in main. Uhm, guys. You need much more then just free maps, yo

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In fact, I would consider it acceptable in general to move everything in > contrib to main as long as it each package was forced to be priority All my messages in this thread have the premise that we want to keep a distinction between contrib and mai

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

> > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I think that's rediculous. Education is not a smokescreen, and you can't > > > argue that there will never be free data available for quake2 (or know > > > for sure that there isn't already). It doesn't matter whether there will be free date, or ev

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ok, I'm going to upload libgaming. Nothing yet has been created for it, > but it is possible. Should I upload it to contrib? Can you give me an example of *anything* you think belongs in contrib?

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 11:50:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I think that's rediculous. Education is not a smokescreen, and you can't > > argue that there will never be free data available for quake2 (or know > > for sure that there isn't

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

> In fact, I would consider it acceptable in general to move everything in > contrib to main as long as it each package was forced to be priority > extra until it was suitable for general-purpose use as packaged in main > (including any dependencies, of course). I believe many java packages belong

Re: Quake2/GPL: At least source should go into main

Erich Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > At least the Source _is_ useful for novice programmers that are > > > interested in 3d game programming. > > > > How does Quake differ from any other projects in contrib in this way? > > Software in contrib needs non-free software to run. > But th

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think that's rediculous. Education is not a smokescreen, and you can't > argue that there will never be free data available for quake2 (or know > for sure that there isn't already). Um, can you give me an example of a package in contrib that this argume