Re: [custom] Some issues for custom debian distributions

2003-07-26 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
> Nikita V. Youshchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] >> Another thing is replacing "#!/bin/sh" by "#!/bin/bash --login" in >> /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession (and other dm's Xsession files). This is the only >> way I know to make login shell startup files evaluated during X logins. >> This issue is

Re: proposal: per-user temporary directories on by default?

2003-07-26 Thread Brian May
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 02:52:48PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > It was pointed out already that this is not necessarily a good idea, > e.g. when /home is on NFS. Additionally you cannot run tmpreaper on > ~/tmp/ without starting a big information campain, "everthing under ~/ > was always sacred

Re: [custom] Some issues for custom debian distributions

2003-07-26 Thread Bob Proulx
Andreas Metzler wrote: > Nikita V. Youshchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] > > Another thing is replacing "#!/bin/sh" by "#!/bin/bash --login" in > > /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession (and other dm's Xsession files). This is the only > > way I know to make login shell startup files evaluated during X l

Re: [custom] Some issues for custom debian distributions

2003-07-26 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 09:24:55PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [somebody broke attributions here] > >> Introducing an ~/.environment which would be evaluated by pam_env would > >> really be nice. > > > Isn't /etc/environment read too? B

Bug#203004: ITP: superkaramba -- A program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE

2003-07-26 Thread Jean-Michel Kelbert
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-27 Severity: wishlist * Package name: superkaramba Version : 0.29 Upstream Authors: Adam Geitgey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hans Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/ * License

Re: logging out a ssh-user

2003-07-26 Thread Ulrich Eckhardt
On Saturday 26 July 2003 19:55, Dennis Stampfer wrote: > I have to log out a user who is logged in via ssh. The information that > he is not allowed to login comes from the utmp-file like the pid to > kill. Not sure if that helps, but 'slay' might be the proper tool for it. Uli

Re: [custom] Some issues for custom debian distributions

2003-07-26 Thread Andreas Metzler
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >> Introducing an ~/.environment which would be evaluated by pam_env would >> really be nice. > Isn't /etc/environment read too? Because that is what base-config modifies > IIRC. Yes or no ;-) Currently pam_env does read /etc/enviro

Bug#202907: language tasks pull in reams of huge packages

2003-07-26 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
> They could probably conflict and recommend to get the right version of > mozilla, and then mozilla would have to deal with registering languages > installed before it. Will try, thanks for the tip. > > For example: if you selected task 'Spanish' and 'Desktop' you get both > > kde's and gnome l

Re: [custom] Some issues for custom debian distributions

2003-07-26 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 05:51:35PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > cat < /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60local_userenvironment > if [ -r /etc/profile ] ;then > . /etc/profile > fi > if [ -r $HOME/.profile ] ; then > . $HOME/.profile > fi > EOF > > This'll work for all display-managers that

logging out a ssh-user

2003-07-26 Thread Dennis Stampfer
Hi! I have to log out a user who is logged in via ssh. The information that he is not allowed to login comes from the utmp-file like the pid to kill. If he's logged in via telnet, I can do the job by killing that pid. That does not work with ssh: For some reason, all what I get out of utmp i

Bug#202980: ITP: ots -- Open Text Summarizer

2003-07-26 Thread Masayuki Hatta
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-27 Severity: wishlist * Package name: ots Version : 0.3.0+cvs.2003.07.27-1 Upstream Author : Nadav Rotem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://libots.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Description : Open Text

Re: update-alternatives priorities for editors

2003-07-26 Thread Bob Proulx
Adam Heath wrote: > /usr/bin/vi should be an alternative for vi-compatible editors. > > /usr/bin/vi should then be an alternative that is hooked into /usr/bin/editor. But, but, but... How does it work if /usr/bin/vi is an alternative hooked into /usr/bin/editor? What package would own that hook

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-26 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 03:32:33PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > If someone wants to donate an S390 to me I'll happily take it to work on > d-i; I'll even pay the power bills myself. How's that for selfless > sacrifice? On a reasonably fast machine, Hercules is pretty usable for small-to-medi

Re: [custom] Some issues for custom debian distributions

2003-07-26 Thread Andreas Metzler
Nikita V. Youshchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > Another thing is replacing "#!/bin/sh" by "#!/bin/bash --login" in > /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession (and other dm's Xsession files). This is the only > way I know to make login shell startup files evaluated during X logins. > This issue is known for

Re: [custom] Some issues for custom debian distributions

2003-07-26 Thread Joey Hess
Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: > E.g. in a "distribution" (better to say - custom installation CD) I maintain > here I expect users to use kppp to connect to their ISPs. To make this work > by default, I have to comment out whole contents of /etc/ppp/options during > the last stage of the installatio

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-26 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Saturday 26 July 2003 01:08, John Hasler wrote: > No research, but I've had a couple of experiences that tend to confirm it. > It's irrelevant, though, because people who have never used Windows or Mac > are getting scarce. In the industrialized world. But there's 3 billion people who have nev

Re: unicode

2003-07-26 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Friday 25 July 2003 18:57, Colin Watson wrote: > Oh, konsole? No idea, as I don't use KDE. I saw your mentions of font > problems elsewhere in this thread. Have you tried, say, uxterm with a > known-good UTF-8 font? I use > '-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-c-*-iso10646-1' on my work >

Re: proposal: per-user temporary directories on by default?

2003-07-26 Thread Dwayne C. Litzenberger
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > mkstemp(3) mkstemp returns a file descriptor, how... [reads the manpage again]... oh. %-) > mkdtemp(3) I see. Sigh. I guess it's hopeless to expect that everyone will write their programs properly. Oh well. I give in. Use l

Bug#202907: language tasks pull in reams of huge packages

2003-07-26 Thread Joey Hess
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > Unfortunately, this cannot be done easily for mozilla, at least, since > translations for a version will not work (and will probably break) other > versions. Also, it depends on mozilla being available to register the > locale. They could probably conflic

Bug#202907: language tasks pull in reams of huge packages

2003-07-26 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 02:50:52PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Package: tasksel, general > Version: 1.25 > Severity: normal > > If you pick the Spanish language task in tasksel, you will get mozilla > and openoffice installed, which is often not the desired effect. This is That not only happens wit

Re: [debian-devel] Future releases of Debian

2003-07-26 Thread Rüdiger Kuhlmann
>--[Halil Demirezen]--<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For example, I came accross a segfault with micq. However, I could not find > the reason for this bug. Why i pointed out this is that there may be a > probable > bug there. If you're the one who found the unreproducible segfault, then filing a bug rep

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-26 Thread Bob Hilliard
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Bob Hilliard wrote: >> A true newbie would be one who has never used a computer before. To such >> a person, a CLI is much more intuitive than any GUI. > > Colin Walters writes: >> And your research supporting this is...? > > No research, but I've had a c

Re: Who wants cgoban?

2003-07-26 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 02:59:59PM +0200, Martin Godisch wrote: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 14:59:50 +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > > > One of the packages I "maintain" is cgoban. I packaged it ages ago when > > I was a fanatical Go player. Nowadays I only get Go fever about one week > > per yea

Re: NMU version number and native packages

2003-07-26 Thread Junichi Uekawa
The 'standard process' that I know of is this: > * On other side some people on #d-d says that the standard way is to add > .1 to the number. > Thus, a package with a version number '1.5' will be versioned '1.5.1' Then, an exception follows that if the previous upload was a NMU, in which ca

Re: KDE Developers Conference ("Kastle")

2003-07-26 Thread Ralf Nolden
On Samstag, 26. Juli 2003 15:01, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: > http://events.kde.org/info/kastle/ > > |KDE Contributor Conference 2003 - "Kastle" > |22-30 August, 2003 > |Nové Hrady, Czech Republic > > Which Debian KDE folks will be there? I think this event would be > great f

Re: proposal: per-user temporary directories on by default?

2003-07-26 Thread Andreas Metzler
Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 08:44:17AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: >> Or, for all I care, we can default to /tmp/u/username. Just don't bother >> me about it. > If you default to ~/tmp/ or ~/.temp/ or something like this, you get the > hashing for fre

NMU version number and native packages

2003-07-26 Thread seb128
Hi, I've a little question about version number and NMU on debian native packages. What's the standard way to modify this number ? * On one side the developer's reference says: "If there is no debian-revision component in the version number then one should be created, starting at `0.1'." So

KDE Developers Conference ("Kastle")

2003-07-26 Thread Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader
http://events.kde.org/info/kastle/ |KDE Contributor Conference 2003 - "Kastle" |22-30 August, 2003 |Nové Hrady, Czech Republic Which Debian KDE folks will be there? I think this event would be great for Debian KDE people to interact with upstream. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Killing off hextype

2003-07-26 Thread Richard Braakman
hextype - Hexdump according to DOS Debug output format I realize that this little program has a certain fan base, and I used to be part of that fan base, but I really think the time has come to retire it. These days the program "hd" (in bsdmainutils) provides all the same convenience. I find mys

Who wants cgoban?

2003-07-26 Thread Richard Braakman
One of the packages I "maintain" is cgoban. I packaged it ages ago when I was a fanatical Go player. Nowadays I only get Go fever about one week per year, and it's hard to make time for this package when I'm uninspired about the game. I'd like to give it to someone who actually uses it. cgoban

Re: proposal: per-user temporary directories on by default?

2003-07-26 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 08:44:17AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > Or, for all I care, we can default to /tmp/u/username. Just don't bother > me about it. If you default to ~/tmp/ or ~/.temp/ or something like this, you get the hashing for free, and you only need quota on the home partition.

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-26 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 11:39:38AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 07:10:06PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > And, quite honestly, animals should probably disappear. When all of a > > maintainer's packages were NMU'd into stable, and they haven't moved since, > > it's time to

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-26 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 07:10:06PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 02:45:56AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > What exactly is going on here? It appears that apart from 'animals', > > And, quite honestly, animals should probably disappear. When all of a > maintainer's pa

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-26 Thread Herbert Xu
Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alternately... is the difference between "required" and "important" > really useful? We already have the "Essential" flag to indicate > which packages are really required. We could just fold these > levels into one to simplify things. Required cou

Bug#202940: ITP: pyduali -- pyduali, An arabic spell checker

2003-07-26 Thread Mohammed Sameer
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-07-26 Severity: wishlist * Package name: pyduali Version : 0.1.1 Upstream Author : Mohammed Elzubeir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.arabeyes.org/project.php?proj=Duali * License : BSD Description : pyduali,

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-26 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 02:45:56AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > >db2: > > This is pretty old... who still uses it, anyway? More specifically, > > does anyone use libdb2++, and if so, are they only things which > > aren't supposed to be transitioned? > > OK, this is an odd list: > Package

Re: [custom] Some issues for custom debian distributions

2003-07-26 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Tore Anderson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > well), as I've seen far too many packages which ask Debconf questions > way out of proportion, carelessly ignore policy 11.7.3 (cf. the "manage > with Debconf madness" thread), etc. So even though it is possible to I hope you didn't forgot to file

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-26 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 12:10:01AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > dselect (required) depends on libstdc++5, libgcc1 (both important) > Upgrade priority of the latter two, or downgrade dselect. Alternately... is the difference between "required" and "important" really useful? We already have t

Bug#202930: ITP: openoffice.org-dictionaries -- MySpell dictionaries from OpenOffice.org

2003-07-26 Thread Rene Engelhard
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-26 Severity: wishlist * Package name: openoffice.org-dictionaries [*] Version : 20030617 Upstream Author : David Bartlett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gianluca Turconi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Davide Pri

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-26 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 02:45:56AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > >db2: > > This is pretty old... who still uses it, anyway? More specifically, > > does anyone use libdb2++, and if so, are they only things which > > aren't supposed to be transitioned? > > OK, this is an odd list: > Packa

Re: [custom] Some issues for custom debian distributions

2003-07-26 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
It's really good news that someone is writing on this. Since Debian is somewhat hard to install and configure for unexperienced user, but otherwise Debian is The Best :), I guess many people are doing custom Debain installation tools. > - Preconfigure the packages we install > > Using two d

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-26 Thread Nathanael Nerode
>db2: > This is pretty old... who still uses it, anyway? More specifically, > does anyone use libdb2++, and if so, are they only things which > aren't supposed to be transitioned? OK, this is an odd list: Package: libdb2++ Reverse Depends: libdb4.1++,libdb2++ 2:2.7.7-3 libdb4.0++c102,l

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-26 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 12:10:01AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > debconf (important) depends on liblocale-gettext-perl (standard). > Presumably liblocale-gettext-perl should become important. > Or debconf could be replaced in 'important' with cdebconf, of course. Ouch... > db2: > This