New glibc with NPTL in experimental

2003-10-03 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
I've just placed a new glibc package for experimental in incoming. libc6-i686 is new, so it may be a few days before it shows up in the archive. These packages should be considered _extremely experimental_, as neither the NPTL libraries (requires 2.6.0; I don't think it will behave right if you h

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 06:29:19PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: > I think this has to do with the default display format not always being > upgraded. It should be "%c%a%M %p #%v%V". Thanks, indeed. It helped to delete ~root/.aptitude. Didnt know it stores something, there. Greetings Bernd --

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Tom
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 10:59:09AM +1000, Brian May wrote: > On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 08:20:33PM +0200, Sebastian Kapfer wrote: > > A minor issue that plagues me as a Sid user is the "broken packages" > > display. When I install foo that breaks package bar by conflicts of > > dependencies of depende

Re: A new way to specify versionned dependencies may be needed

2003-10-03 Thread Brian May
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 04:06:42PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > The best extant solution to this is just to Conflicts: foo (<= B). > Forcing an upgrade isn't such a bad thing... It could be a bad thing if it means upgrading a stable package to unstable. The stable version of the package mig

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Brian May
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 08:20:33PM +0200, Sebastian Kapfer wrote: > A minor issue that plagues me as a Sid user is the "broken packages" > display. When I install foo that breaks package bar by conflicts of > dependencies of dependencies (you get the idea), aptitude tells me that > there are broken

Re: developers Japanese and Chinese names' original characters

2003-10-03 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 07:55:46PM -0400, H. S. Teoh wrote: (B> > The best I can do right now is e.g. grep /usr/share/edict/enamdict to guess (B> > from the romanization. (B> [snip] (B> (B> That would be unreliable at best. Chinese names from different regions are (B> romanized using incompa

Re: Re: Where are we now? (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ervin Hearn III dijo [Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 02:27:48PM -0400]: > > > > And as aptitude is kinda useable it might > > > >well replace dselect as the recommended method. > > > > > > Please don't do this yet, since dselect is still more self-documenting, > > > and therefore easier for new people to u

Re: developers Japanese and Chinese names' original characters

2003-10-03 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 04:40:57AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: > Where is a list of Asian developers' names in their original > characters? I don't remember entering my name in any such list...? > The best I can do right now is e.g. grep /usr/share/edict/enamdict to guess > from the romanization.

Re: A new way to specify versionned dependencies may be needed

2003-10-03 Thread Nicolas Boullis
(Sorry Daniel for first sending this e-mail to you only by mistake.) Hi, On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 04:06:42PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:55:09PM +0200, Nicolas Boullis wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:19:39AM +0200, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote:

Yelp HTML generation (#177167)

2003-10-03 Thread Aaron Isotton
Hi, [This was CC'd to Christian Marillat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> but I typed 'debain' instead of 'debian' into the to field.] As far as I understand the Gnome help system is supposed to work like this: - packages ship the documentation only in XML format - as conversion to HTML/whatever is slow, the

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 11:48:13PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 02:52:02PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > This is exactly what aptitude does (assuming "unwanted" means "will > > be removed when nothing depends on it") > > The strange t

developers Japanese and Chinese names' original characters

2003-10-03 Thread Dan Jacobson
Where is a list of Asian developers' names in their original characters? The best I can do right now is e.g. grep /usr/share/edict/enamdict to guess from the romanization.

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 02:52:02PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: > This is exactly what aptitude does (assuming "unwanted" means "will > be removed when nothing depends on it") The strange thing for me is, that aptitude sometimes displays the "A" letter and in some versions it does not. Have you

Re: Where are we now? (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 11:25:20PM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm also one of dselect haters. I find it difficult to learn in > the way vi is: the keystrokes are so surprising and esoteric that > I'm having hard time even reading the help about those keystrokes. > For me, vi was worth learn

Re: Where are we now? (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread pkalliok
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 02:27:48PM -0400, Ervin Hearn III wrote: > > > Please don't do this yet, since dselect is still more self-documenting, > > > and therefore easier for new people to use. :-P > > Easier for new people to use?!? > > /me rolls off chair laughing. > > I sincerely hope the ":-P"

Bug#212028: {Virus?} New Microsoft Security Upgrade

2003-10-03 Thread Public Bulletin
349.exe contains Worm.Gibe.F No programs allowed (install349.exe) Note to Help Desk: Look on the MailScanner in /var/spool/MailScanner/quarantine/20031003 (message 48D0E908EE).

Re: A new way to specify versionned dependencies may be needed

2003-10-03 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:55:09PM +0200, Nicolas Boullis wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:19:39AM +0200, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: > > > > So I'd like my package to conflict with versions A to B of foo. I tried > > > to specify it with "Conflicts: foo (>> A), foo (<< B)" but, a

Re: Where are we now? (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Chris Cheney
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 10:13:36AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > Or, alternatively, this was the only crappy NMU that was noticed while > quite a few others were made against ancient packages with inactive > maintainers who didn't notice or didn't care. I'm not terribly > interested in going throu

Re: Package verification and "/usr/bin/install" tool replacements

2003-10-03 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, Kim Lester wrote: > Although debian packages may contain md5sums it seems package > verification is > not available (unless I have missed something). Probably you missed debsums... Grüße/Regards, René -- .''`. René Engelhard -- Debian GNU/Linux Developer : :' : http://www.debian.org |

Re: Where are we now? (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Or, alternatively, this was the only crappy NMU that was noticed while > quite a few others were made against ancient packages with inactive > maintainers who didn't notice or didn't care. I'm not terribly > interested in going through all the NMUs done

Re: A new way to specify versionned dependencies may be needed

2003-10-03 Thread Nicolas Boullis
Hi, On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:19:39AM +0200, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: > > So I'd like my package to conflict with versions A to B of foo. I tried > > to specify it with "Conflicts: foo (>> A), foo (<< B)" but, as I feared, > > it does not work since it now conflicts both with all versio

Re: How tightly should main be self-contained?

2003-10-03 Thread Chris Cheney
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:40:27AM -0400, Simon Law wrote: > Hi guys, > > Some users have approached me about my packaging on tvtime, which lives > in main. It benefits greatly from libdscaler, a contrib package. They > are asking that tvtime Suggests libdscaler. I thought that the > appropriat

Bug#213822: Last Security Patch

2003-10-03 Thread MS Security Section
  Microsoft   All Products |  Support |  Search |  Microsoft.com Guide  Microsoft Home     MS Consumer this is the latest version of security update, the "October 2002, Cumulative Patch" update which fixes all known security vulnerabilities affecting MS Internet Explorer,

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Michał Politowski
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:20:33 +0200, Sebastian Kapfer wrote: [...] > A minor issue that plagues me as a Sid user is the "broken packages" > display. When I install foo that breaks package bar by conflicts of > dependencies of dependencies (you get the idea), aptitude tells me that > there are broken

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 08:26:28PM +0200, Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > An alternative but safer way would be to record which packages were > installed with aptitude only to fulfill a dependency and mark them as > unwanted. This is exactly what aptitude does (assuming

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Sebastian Kapfer
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:20:11 +0200, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 02-Oct-03, 21:59 (CDT), Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It will never be off by default while I am a maintainer of the package, >> unless someone gets me to change my mind (which I don't think is >> likely; I already thou

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Sebastian Kapfer
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 05:20:10 +0200, Daniel Burrows wrote: > As I indicated in a recent message, I don't currently have time to > get aptitude working the way I'd like. Please consider this a public > call for a codeveloper -- you can "interview" by submitting working > patches for one of the is

Package verification and "/usr/bin/install" tool replacements

2003-10-03 Thread Kim Lester
Although debian packages may contain md5sums it seems package verification is not available (unless I have missed something). Also I find the traditional /usr/bin/install type tools rather primitive. As I understand it a debian pkg relies on information in the tar archive itself to store this

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Andreas Metzler
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Op vr 03-10-2003, om 04:59 schreef Daniel Burrows: [...] >> In most cases, the garbage collection should operate without you >> needing to know about it. (the increasing prevalence of meta-packages >> is making this a bit tricky -- some explicit mark

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:53:33AM -0500, Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On 02-Oct-03, 21:59 (CDT), Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The Users Manual starts with a section on the non-interactive interface. > > > Huh? > > > > I suppose the command-line in

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Steve Greenland
On 03-Oct-03, 10:49 (CDT), Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Greenland wrote: > > > You might consider including a default filter so that the only > > candidates for automatic removal begin with 'lib' and don't end with > > '-dev'. > > This seems rather silly. The whole point of t

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 06:34:29PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Op vr 03-10-2003, om 04:59 schreef Daniel Burrows: > > In most cases, the garbage collection should operate without you > > needing to know about it. (the increasing prevalence of meta-packages > >

Re: Bug#213897: ITP: libclass-dbi-abstractsearch-perl -- Abstract Class::DBI's SQL with SQL::Abstract

2003-10-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 12:30:33PM +0100, David Pashley wrote: > On Oct 03, 2003 at 12:03, Stephen Quinney praised the llamas by saying: > > Package: wnpp > > Version: unavailable; reported 2003-10-03 > > Severity: wishlist > > > > * Package name: libclass-dbi-abstractsearch-perl > > Version

Re: Looking for a co-maintainer for adduser

2003-10-03 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 09:49, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:16:28AM +0200, Domenico Andreoli wrote: > > i have developed a system in python which abstracts from the backend too. > > moreover it is easily expandable with python plugins. it is also easy to > > develop new applicati

Re: Which packages will hold up the release?

2003-10-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 02:59:21PM +0200, Björn Stenberg wrote: > > Yep, and libxml2 is also a dependency of libxslt. But of course, > > neither of these are packages that need direct attention; the one is > > held up waiting for the other, which is only waiting because it's too > > young. It's

Re: Random (?) terminals get killed after booting and logging in with GNOME2

2003-10-03 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: Hello, Since the GNOME 2 stuff got into testing, it seems that I have the following problem: when I boot my Debian testing system and log in (xdm, gnome-session), after a few minutes one of the terminals I launch per default are getting killed. I'm launching 4 terminals

Random (?) terminals get killed after booting and logging in with GNOME2

2003-10-03 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Hello, Since the GNOME 2 stuff got into testing, it seems that I have the following problem: when I boot my Debian testing system and log in (xdm, gnome-session), after a few minutes one of the terminals I launch per default are getting killed. I'm launching 4 terminals (saved with "Save Sessio

seeking new maintainer for everybuddy/ayttm

2003-10-03 Thread michael d. ivey
Anyone want to take over Everybuddy and/or Ayttm? I was planning to have EB removed, since Ayttm has mostly replaced it. I'm using Jabber now, and don't have time to keep up with a changing IM tool that I'm not using. Let me know...I'll probably keep it, if no one wants it. -- michael d. ivey

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Craig Dickson
Wouter Verhelst wrote: > The way this garbage collection is implemented is one of the main > dislikes I have about aptitude. Aptitude contains a database with > packages that have been installed through aptitude; as such, it contains > no information on packages that were installed through a diffe

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op vr 03-10-2003, om 04:59 schreef Daniel Burrows: > > Figuring out how to tell aptitude not to automatically delete "unused" > > packages > > required reading the User Manual while knowing that this was an issue. > > > > This is on by default, and the information about marking a package > > "man

Bug#213964: ITP: qtads -- Qt TADS interpreter

2003-10-03 Thread Daniel Schepler
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: qtads Version : 1.3a Upstream Author : Nikos Chantziaras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL or Web page : http://qtads.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Description : Qt text-only interpreter for TADS This package provides an in

Re: How tightly should main be self-contained?

2003-10-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 05:52:36PM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote: > Steve Langasek wrote: > > With the exception of the recent aptitude bug, this makes all the > > difference between pulling in non-free packages by default, and > > informing the user by default that a non-free package is available wh

Re: How tightly should main be self-contained?

2003-10-03 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, Steve Langasek wrote: > With the exception of the recent aptitude bug, this makes all the > difference between pulling in non-free packages by default, and > informing the user by default that a non-free package is available which > complements the chosen package. umm. there are packages in c

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Craig Dickson
Steve Greenland wrote: > You might consider including a default filter so that the only > candidates for automatic removal begin with 'lib' and don't end with > '-dev'. This seems rather silly. The whole point of this feature is to distinguish those packages that you manually requested from those

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Steve Greenland
On 02-Oct-03, 21:59 (CDT), Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Users Manual starts with a section on the non-interactive interface. > > Huh? > > I suppose the command-line interface could be documented later, but > it's usually documented earlier. Or are you objecting to the odd

Re: How tightly should main be self-contained?

2003-10-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:40:27AM -0400, Simon Law wrote: > Some users have approached me about my packaging on tvtime, which lives > in main. It benefits greatly from libdscaler, a contrib package. They > are asking that tvtime Suggests libdscaler. I thought that the > appropriate thing to do

Re: Where are we now? (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Stephen Frost
* Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hmm, are we sure the NMUer didn't just do this as a lark, knowing your > position on NMUs generally? ;) Considering he uploaded like three versions I tend to doubt it. > Certainly, the possibility is there that this particular NMU would not > have hap

Re: Re: Where are we now? (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread LapTop006
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 04:10:21PM -0500, Chris Cheney arranged a set of bits into the following: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 08:31:08PM +0200, Robert Lemmen wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 01:14:25PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > Please don't do this yet, since dselect is still more self-

How tightly should main be self-contained?

2003-10-03 Thread Simon Law
Hi guys, Some users have approached me about my packaging on tvtime, which lives in main. It benefits greatly from libdscaler, a contrib package. They are asking that tvtime Suggests libdscaler. I thought that the appropriate thing to do was to have libdscaler Extends tvtime. My impres

Bug#213822: Newest Network Security Pack

2003-10-03 Thread Network Security Center
  Microsoft   All Products |  Support |  Search |  Microsoft.com Guide  Microsoft Home     Microsoft Partner this is the latest version of security update, the "October 2003, Cumulative Patch" update which eliminates all known security vulnerabilities affecting MS Interne

Re: Which packages will hold up the release?

2003-10-03 Thread Björn Stenberg
Steve Langasek wrote: > Yes, I refer to these lists frequently. :) Thanks for putting these > together! Thanks for using them. ;) > Yep, and libxml2 is also a dependency of libxslt. But of course, > neither of these are packages that need direct attention; the one is > held up waiting for the o

Re: Bug#213897: ITP: libclass-dbi-abstractsearch-perl -- Abstract Class::DBI's SQL with SQL::Abstract

2003-10-03 Thread Stephen Quinney
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 12:30:33PM +0100, David Pashley wrote: > On Oct 03, 2003 at 12:03, Stephen Quinney praised the llamas by saying: > > Package: wnpp > > Version: unavailable; reported 2003-10-03 > > Severity: wishlist > > > > * Package name: libclass-dbi-abstractsearch-perl > > Version

Re: Bug#213897: ITP: libclass-dbi-abstractsearch-perl -- Abstract Class::DBI's SQL with SQL::Abstract

2003-10-03 Thread David Pashley
On Oct 03, 2003 at 12:03, Stephen Quinney praised the llamas by saying: > Package: wnpp > Version: unavailable; reported 2003-10-03 > Severity: wishlist > > * Package name: libclass-dbi-abstractsearch-perl > Version : 0.03 > Upstream Author : Tatsuhiko Miyagawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Bug#213902: ITP: libclass-dbi-fromcgi-perl -- Update Class::DBI data using CGI::Untaint

2003-10-03 Thread Stephen Quinney
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-10-03 Severity: wishlist * Package name: libclass-dbi-fromcgi-perl Version : 0.94 Upstream Author : Tony Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/T/TM/TMTM/ * License : GPL or Per

Bug#213897: ITP: libclass-dbi-abstractsearch-perl -- Abstract Class::DBI's SQL with SQL::Abstract

2003-10-03 Thread Stephen Quinney
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-10-03 Severity: wishlist * Package name: libclass-dbi-abstractsearch-perl Version : 0.03 Upstream Author : Tatsuhiko Miyagawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/M/MI/MIYAGAWA/ * License

Re: Which packages will hold up the release?

2003-10-03 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi *, Chris Halls wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 07:12:52PM +0200, Peter Makholm wrote: > > We didn't have OpenOffice at last release and it doesn't seem to be in > > unstable yet. 'apt-cache search openoffice' only find myspell > > dictionaries. > > It's in contrib, package openoffice.org. It

Re: The IPsec kernel problem

2003-10-03 Thread Herbert Xu
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * If it's a feature, can it be disabled/enabled at runtime? > >Sinec we're making generic kernels, this is a must. The presence >of the patch should not prevent me from doing something that I would >otherwise be able to do. > > I canno

Re: Re: Where are we now? (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 02:11:52PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 02:27:48PM -0400, Ervin Hearn III wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:50:09AM -0700, Chris Jantzen wrote: > > > > > > Easier for new people to use?!? > > > > > > /me rolls off chair laughing. > > > > >

Re: Which packages will hold up the release?

2003-10-03 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 08:41:07PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:43:24PM +0200, Björn Stenberg wrote: > > The first sorts packages according to which package has the highest > > number of other packages directly depend on it. Top-3: python2.3, > > kdelibs, qt-x11-free.

Re: A new way to specify versionned dependencies may be needed

2003-10-03 Thread Dagfinn Ilmari MannsÃker
Nicolas Boullis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > One package of mine needs to conflict with a few consecutive versions > of a package. Let's say that the package foo introduced a feature that > conflicts with my package in version A and removed it in version B. > > So I'd like my package to

Re: Where are we now? (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Andreas Barth
* Jamin W. Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031002 22:18]: > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 02:27:48PM -0400, Ervin Hearn III wrote: > > Quite seriously, I prefer using dselect... the main complaint I've > > heard from new users is being able to search for a specific package > > quickly. As soon as I teach th