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On Friday 01 Apr 2005 12:01 pm, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Hi,
>
> in the tradition of "Bits[1] from the DAMs", started in January, we are
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On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 06:56:45PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 07:59:01PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
> > Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 07:28:35PM +0200, Frank K?ster wrote:
>
> > > Right, but open for 47 days already. I
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On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 07:59:01PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
> Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 07:28:35PM +0200, Frank K?ster wrote:
> > Right, but open for 47 days already. If for this amount of days an RC
> > bug is open and nobody seems to have car
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> su, 2005-03-27 kello 09:01 +0200, George Danchev kirjoitti:
> > I second suggestion given at #250202 and like to see "unpacked" and
> > "patched"
> > targets to hit Policy 4.8.
>
> I hear that Adam Heath (doogie for those on IRC) has been working on a
hi all,
some time back, i remember somebody asking what the proper way was to
credit translators who provided debconf template translations. the
consensus seemed to be that mentioning them in the changelog was
sufficient.
not being satisfied with that, however, i wrote up a small script
to direc
Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It doesn't need to be an exact date, but someting like
> "third quarter of 2005" or "mid-2008" would help to avoid situations
> like the sarge C++ transition that was too early [1] or the more than
> two years old X11 that will ship with sarge (and that do
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 01:12:53AM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 11:37 +0200, David Schmitt wrote:
>
> > To prepare the sourcecode for inspection and/or minor modifications an
> > additional argument for debian/rules would fit well into the current model.
> >
> > Cal
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 12:05:59PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote:
> On 01-Apr-05, 10:08 (CST), Frank K?ster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I do not think that this bug justifies auctex's removal from testing; on
> > the other hand, I don't think it would be proper to lower its severity
> > before w
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 03:48:00PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
>...
> Major changes in etch
> -
>
> If you intend to make major changes (like a C++ ABI bump) during the
> development of etch, please speak with the release team as soon as
> possible, describing the changes you'r
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 20:40:08 +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
> | need clock hostname
> | provide logger
I take it that this is Richard Gooch's simpleinit system as furnished in
util-linux.
http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rgooch/linux/boot-scripts/
Before commenting, people should
* Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050401 19:55]:
> Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > * Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-04-01 19:28]:
> >> - its open bugs (one RC, but worked on)
> >
> > http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/hints/vorlon contains
> >
> > # bug #295060
> > remov
* Jeroen van Wolffelaar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050401 19:35]:
> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 07:28:35PM +0200, Frank K?ster wrote:
> > how can I find out why a package was removed from testing? I tried to
> > find this out for wwwoffle, and looked at
> This type of information is unfortunately not readi
On Fri, 2005-04-01 at 22:22 +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
> (bugs in maintainer scripts are a policy violation)
I don't recall policy saying that maintainer scripts "must" be entirely
bug free.
Obviously they _should_ be bug free, but bugs in maintainer scripts
aren't always RC.
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Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 08:00:19PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
>> Is it not usual practice to send a note about this to the bug? I think
>> this would be a good idea, both for documentation purposes, and to wake
>> up lazy maintainers.
>
> No, maintainers
Thomas Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That is, if the package
> isn't unusable by everyone (if the bug only affects some users) then the
> bug is not grave.
>
> If the bug is unreproducible then it can't be the case that the package is
> unusable to everyone. So I'd say that a downgrade is ju
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> With these changes done, we are now on the home stretch for the sarge
> release. We are now only waiting on the arm buildds to recover and
> catch up to a reasonable extent, and on one last glibc upload -- and
> then sarge is FREEZING. This is, therefo
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> As said, burn all hardware in your house. Now. Please. Then you have
> definitely defeated the evil non-freeness.
As I have said, I don't think non-free software is evil. I just think
it is not part of the Debian main archive.
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On 10246 March 1977, Henning Makholm wrote:
>> * License : Whatever you wish it is.
> Have you cleared this with -legal? Usually licenses are not considered
> Free if one needs to invoke wishful thinking to fit them to the DFSG.
Eh, if you ask -legal its always non-free, so no need to. :)
also sprach Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.04.01.2104 +0200]:
> > Uh, this looks like a "pull" type of thing in which ever init.d
> > script starts its dependencies. I don't think this is a good idea.
>
> No, it is not. The dependencies are cached.
Cached? As in queried beforehand? As in
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 08:48:36PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> Uh, this looks like a "pull" type of thing in which ever init.d
> script starts its dependencies. I don't think this is a good idea.
No, it is not. The dependencies are cached.
Bastian
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also sprach Thomas Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.04.01.1930 +0200]:
> This has been standardized by LSB:
>
> http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.0.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/initscrcomconv.html
Clearly this is the way to go then. After all, we are striving to be
LSB-compliant, so wh
also sprach Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.04.01.2031 +0200]:
> | # Make networking dependency conditional on configuration
> | case $(sed 's/#.*//' /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf) in
> |
> *source*tcp*|*source*udp*|*destination*tcp*|*destination*udp*)
> |
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 08:18:56PM +0200, Wouter van Heyst wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 08:16:58PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
> > I must say, that the Gentoo-Way looks better than this.
> What is the Gentoo-Way?
| opts="depend checkconfig start stop reload"
|
| depend() {
| # Make ne
On 01-Apr-05, 10:08 (CST), Frank K?ster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I do not think that this bug justifies auctex's removal from testing; on
> the other hand, I don't think it would be proper to lower its severity
> before we know more. But we cannot know whether the submitter will
> answer agai
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 08:16:58PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 04:28:33PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> > I think we need to establish a header format policy, and I suggest
> > something similar to debian/control, e.g.
>
> I must say, that the Gentoo-Way looks better th
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 04:28:33PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> I think we need to establish a header format policy, and I suggest
> something similar to debian/control, e.g.
I must say, that the Gentoo-Way looks better than this.
Bastian
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On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 08:00:19PM +0200, Frank KÃster wrote:
> Is it not usual practice to send a note about this to the bug? I think
> this would be a good idea, both for documentation purposes, and to wake
> up lazy maintainers.
No, maintainers have to know about there bugs. And RC bugs with t
> Severity: grave
> Justification: renders package unusable
At http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities, "grave" is glossed as:
makes the package in question unusable or mostly so, or causes
data loss, or introduces a security hole allowing access to the
accounts of users who
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Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-04-01 19:28]:
>> - its open bugs (one RC, but worked on)
>
> http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/hints/vorlon contains
>
> # bug #295060
> remove wwwoffle/2.8e-1
>
> So, yes, because of an RC bug.
Is it not us
Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 07:28:35PM +0200, Frank K?ster wrote:
>
>> - its open bugs (one RC, but worked on)
>
> Right, but open for 47 days already. If for this amount of days an RC
> bug is open and nobody seems to have cared enough to fix it or e
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The binary pac
* Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-04-01 19:28]:
> - its open bugs (one RC, but worked on)
http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/hints/vorlon contains
# bug #295060
remove wwwoffle/2.8e-1
So, yes, because of an RC bug.
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 16:50:20 +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> I think we need to establish a header format policy, and I suggest
> something similar to debian/control, e.g.
>
> #!/bin/sh -e
> # init.d script for sshd
> #
> #% Depends: network, iptables
> #
>
> if "$1" ...
This has be
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 07:28:35PM +0200, Frank K?ster wrote:
> Hi,
>
> how can I find out why a package was removed from testing? I tried to
> find this out for wwwoffle, and looked at
This type of information is unfortunately not readily available, you can
find it in some ftp-master logfiles (
Hi,
how can I find out why a package was removed from testing? I tried to
find this out for wwwoffle, and looked at
- its resolved bugs (no indication)
- its open bugs (one RC, but worked on)
- ftp.debian.org's bugs: nothing
- Search on debian-release: nothing.
Where else can I look?
TIA,
On Apr 1, 2005 1:58 PM, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Gustavo Franco
>
> | I agree, but are we tracking all these post-sarge issues that are
> | coming on d-d and others lists? I hope that after sarge we start
> | working on these issues before etch came closer.
>
> I'm doing a r
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 16:32:25 +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 03:48:00PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
>> Debian Installer RC3, kernels
>> -
>>
>> The RC3 release of the debian-installer has been published. As Joey
>> Hess mentions in his announcem
* Gustavo Franco
| I agree, but are we tracking all these post-sarge issues that are
| coming on d-d and others lists? I hope that after sarge we start
| working on these issues before etch came closer.
I'm doing a rebuild of sarge with a changed pkg-config now, to see
what breaks.
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On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 03:09:13AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 12:53:27PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le vendredi 01 avril 2005 à 02:34 -0600, Ron Johnson a écrit :
> > > What are the opinions of d-d's of --as-needed?
>
> > > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread
Dear release team,
#297181 is unreproducible, and the submitter has not answered to our
questions for a while. I am quite confident that this bug is really
PEBCAK, or more specifically a local misconfiguration, or some old
locally installed Emacs lisp files lying around.
I do not think that this
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [taking to devel, per your suggestion]
>
> also sprach Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.04.01.1546 +0200]:
>> I would like to work on making this happen for etch. I don't have
>> an implementation yet, let alone a plan for how to do it, and
>> I
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 12:53:27PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> I'm moving all my packages to use it. It's not only a workaround for
> libtool or pkgconfig bugs, it's also a great tool when some upstream
> authors gratuitously adds unneeded -l flags.
General note: you have to be careful with
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 06:01:27AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> And since these are (always?) dependencies on shared objects,
> these libraries never get used, except to say, "Here I am!",
> right?
The runtime linker still loads them, which can be expensive (esp.
if there are many relocation recor
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 03:48:00PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> Debian Installer RC3, kernels
> -
>
> The RC3 release of the debian-installer has been published. As Joey
> Hess mentions in his announcement[0], this has been the best-tested
> Debian Installer release c
[taking to devel, per your suggestion]
also sprach Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.04.01.1546 +0200]:
> I would like to work on making this happen for etch. I don't have
> an implementation yet, let alone a plan for how to do it, and
> I won't start work until after sarge is released, so
On Apr 1, 2005 7:32 AM, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 12:24:23PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > * Andrew Suffield
> >
> > | It's a method of working around bugs. Just fix the bugs
> > | instead. Update libtool to the latest version and don't -l stuff you
>
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On Fri, 2005-04-01 at 03:09 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 12:53:27PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le vendredi 01 avril 2005 à 02:34 -0600, Ron Johnson a écrit :
> > > What are the opinions of d-d's of --as-needed?
>
> > > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=
[Cc:s trimmed. Probably should go to -dpkg]
On Friday 01 April 2005 02:12, Scott James Remnant wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 11:37 +0200, David Schmitt wrote:
> > To prepare the sourcecode for inspection and/or minor modifications an
> > additional argument for debian/rules would fit well into th
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 12:53:27PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 01 avril 2005 à 02:34 -0600, Ron Johnson a écrit :
> > What are the opinions of d-d's of --as-needed?
> > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17287
> > According to this thread, the number of dependencies can
Le vendredi 01 avril 2005 à 02:34 -0600, Ron Johnson a écrit :
> What are the opinions of d-d's of --as-needed?
>
> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17287
>
> According to this thread, the number of dependencies can sometimes
> be slashed drastically.
I'm moving all my packages to us
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> in the tradition of "Bits[1] from the DAMs", started in January, we are
> now sending another mail to inform you about recent decisions we made.
, it is that day of the year again...
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Wasn't this supposed to be announced _after_ project scud took power?
Ron
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 08:31:23AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Hi,
>
> in the tradition of "Bits[1] from the DAMs", started in January, we are
> now sending another mail to inform you about recent decisions we made.
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 12:24:23PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> * Andrew Suffield
>
> | It's a method of working around bugs. Just fix the bugs
> | instead. Update libtool to the latest version and don't -l stuff you
> | don't need to -l.
>
> pkgconfig does add a bunch of gratious -l, similar
Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There's also the issue of how do you clean or put a source package back
> together, when it's got the patches all applied -- how do you know which
> patch any modifications should go into?
Well, the easiest way would be to unpack all patches into
d
* Andrew Suffield
| It's a method of working around bugs. Just fix the bugs
| instead. Update libtool to the latest version and don't -l stuff you
| don't need to -l.
pkgconfig does add a bunch of gratious -l, similar to what libtool
used to. This will be fixed, but I'm not sure I want to intro
Hi Joey,
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 09:49:10AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Changelog
> -
> 2005/04/01 09:47 MET
> * Accepted netkit-telnet
> * Investigation of netkit-telnet-ssl
> * Accepted samba
Please note bug #302378, opened yesterday and still being worked on. Sorry
for not bei
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 02:34:44AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> What are the opinions of d-d's of --as-needed?
It's a method of working around bugs. Just fix the bugs
instead. Update libtool to the latest version and don't -l stuff you
don't need to -l.
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* Thomas Bushnell BSG [Thu, Mar 31 2005, 06:52:24PM]:
> Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > That is bullshit/lies/cheating (pick one). It should be worded:
> >
> > "We are not willing to support his hardware just because we (at least
> > some of us) decided to demonstrate how
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* Package name: libjustdoit
Version : 1.0
Upstream Author : Noone. It was just there.
* URL or Web page : Just open your webbrowser after you installed the
lib. And the Homepage will be there!
* License : Whatever you wi
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: libjustdoit
Version : 1.0
Upstream Author : Noone. It was just there.
* URL or Web page : Just open your webbrowser after you installed the
lib. And the Homepage will be there!
* License : Whatever you wi
What are the opinions of d-d's of --as-needed?
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17287
According to this thread, the number of dependencies can sometimes
be slashed drastically.
(Of course, it would have to wait until Sarge becomes Stable.)
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