In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote:
> If a package is failing to build or to function on some architecture,
> your job as that package's maintainer is see if it can be fixed (talking
> to porters and/or upstream if it's beyond your skills)
BTW: is there a way to get build failures by mail? e
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 10:54:59PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> In addition, I would point out that your method of "supporting" the
> package amounts to documenting its inadequacy and then doing nothing.
No, the issue is one of resolving RC issues: in this case by:
(a) seeing if the FTBF
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 10:37:08PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Anthony Towns writes:
> > Easy: the best tools we've got to judge whether buildds are keeping up
> > are the buildd graphs which indicate that with the exception of m68k
> > and arm (hrm, and possibly hppa), all our ports are d
Anthony Towns writes:
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 09:44:59PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
>> Anthony Towns writes:
>> >> Upstream is working on #335981 and #336371. In fact, scm has *never*
>> >> supported s390;
>> >scm |5d9-4.1 | unstable | s390
>> And yet, it didn't actua
> Yeah that would be a real pain to exlude countries because of stupid
> political 'correctness'. All in all in Free Software movement we don't know
> what the borders are, do we?
We (Debian developers and contributors) certainly all agree on this
(or, at least, the vast majority of us).
However
Anthony Towns writes:
>> So why was the request ignored for a month? Why did my email result
>> in no action, twice, not even a response?
>
> I've told you what I'd need to answer that question already.
>
>> Perhaps you don't know the answer to these questions. But then how
>> can you so surely
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 09:44:59PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Anthony Towns writes:
> >> Upstream is working on #335981 and #336371. In fact, scm has *never*
> >> supported s390;
> >scm |5d9-4.1 | unstable | s390
> And yet, it didn't actually run successfully on s390.
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 09:40:11PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Anthony Towns writes:
> > Requeue requests are part of handling logs... You get a failed log, you
> > analyse it to say "oh, that's a transient error due to other things"
> > then you requeue it... If that analysis comes from r
Anthony Towns writes:
>> Upstream is working on #335981 and #336371. In fact, scm has *never*
>> supported s390;
>
>scm |5d9-4.1 | unstable | s390
And yet, it didn't actually run successfully on s390. Support is not
just a matter of compiling.
>> when I took over maintenance
Anthony Towns writes:
> The job of the buildd admin is to make sure packages are built. Mostly
> that's automated, which is great, which means the buildd admin's job is
> mostly to keep the automation working.
So when the build admin is not doing that job, what should we do?
Thomas
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Anthony Towns writes:
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 07:25:14PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
>> Anthony Towns writes:
>> > The major task of buildd maintenance (aiui) is handlings logs though,
>> > and that's certainly what was being complained about earlier.
>> No. What I was complaining abou
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 07:24:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> No, not in the least. That's a good start, but for it to be an
> excellent start, it needs to work like the BTS, and be something that
> the relevant volunteers themselves read and pay attention to.
It doesn't actually need an
> The job of the buildd admin is to make sure packages are built. Mostly
> that's automated, which is great, which means the buildd admin's job is
> mostly to keep the automation working.
Dan was a really good buildd admin. Maybe he knows what he's talking
about.
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On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 10:11:12PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> The majority of "handling" logs is monkeywork - very easy, mostly
> automated. The main jobs of the buildd admin are to
The job of the buildd admin is to make sure packages are built. Mostly
that's automated, which is great, whi
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 07:25:14PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Anthony Towns writes:
> > The major task of buildd maintenance (aiui) is handlings logs though,
> > and that's certainly what was being complained about earlier.
> No. What I was complaining about was totally ignoring of requ
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 07:24:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> An excellent example of this is the publication of the NEW queue. Now
> that everyone can see the NEW queue, I don't see any of the big public
> criticism about slow processing.
Well, that's not very interesting, because the p
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> C'mon, this is a free software project. The obvious first step for
>> providing better infrastructure would be to make that infrastructure
>> publically available for anyone to download, play with, hack
Anthony Towns writes:
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 10:19:46AM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
>> I'm not saying that this all needs to be publicly logged. I don't give
>> a rat's ass whether it is or not. But please don't stand there saying
>> that the process is completely transparent.
>
> I don'
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Please stop assuming wrong facts.
>
>> As I already stated several times before: Ryan was offered to integrate
>> the buildd.net software. He declined with the argument that all
>> information is already
Anthony Towns writes:
> The major task of buildd maintenance (aiui) is handlings logs though,
> and that's certainly what was being complained about earlier.
No. What I was complaining about was totally ignoring of requeue
requests sent to the @buildd.debian.org advertised addresses.
Thomas
Anthony Towns writes:
> On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 10:16:37PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
>> Anthony Towns writes:
>> > That's non-sensical. Everything the buildds do is logged pretty much
>> > immediately onto http://buildd.debian.org/, which also provides long
>> > running statistics on how
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 11:46:50AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 10:19:46AM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> > I'm not saying that this all needs to be publicly logged. I don't give
> > a rat's ass whether it is or not. But please don't stand there saying
> > that the pro
Thijs Kinkhorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not really convinced that such an approach would have a significant
> effect as long as you're not measuring existing DD's to the same
> standards. Which, as far as I can see, does not happen.
A procedure is in place for developers to be ejected fr
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le vendredi 09 décembre 2005 à 23:49 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit :
>> How many more years are we going to waste time with this hysteria before
>> realising it doesn't achieve anything but "rapidly sucking the fun out
>> of things"?
>
> How many develo
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 05:48:13PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> There is absolutely zero documentation on how the buildd network works.
If the documentation's insufficient, ask politely for help.
buildd.debian.org points you at wanna-build and its svn repo, which has
some reasonably extensive
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 04:27:10PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 04:52:31PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> > >I also see the keyring's been updated earlier this week, including
> > >both a replacement key for Horms from late last month, and Chip's
> > >requested updates.
>
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 05:56:24PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 09 décembre 2005 à 23:49 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit :
> > How many more years are we going to waste time with this hysteria before
> > realising it doesn't achieve anything but "rapidly sucking the fun out
> > of thin
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 10:19:46AM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> I'm not saying that this all needs to be publicly logged. I don't give
> a rat's ass whether it is or not. But please don't stand there saying
> that the process is completely transparent.
I don't believe I said that. I don't b
Erinn Clark writes:
> Surely flaming people on mailing lists as a way to get things done is not
> something people want to encourage in NMs... right?
Right. After all, as we all know, no DD would ever do such a thing.
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On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 12:14:59AM +0100, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> > having commercial relationships is forbidden for american companies, apply
> > for this offering?
>
> I got some wise advice about not to make the contry the ulitmate
> critera (and to NOT give a list of countries).
>
> So if
Andreas Schuldei wrote:
* Andy Teijelo Pérez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-12-09 11:52:07]:
Does a country considered by the U.S. government as terrorist, or with which
having commercial relationships is forbidden for american companies, apply
for this offering?
I got some wise advice ab
I seek co-maintainers for:
mwavem
thinkpad, tpctl
resolvconf
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Heiko Müller writes:
> We found that gcc-2.95 -Os produces object code of acceptable quality
> within reasonable compilation times. gcc >=3 is less efficient w.r.t.
please be more precise. Debian currently uses 4.0, and has a 4.1
prerelease in the archives (gcc-snapshot). such regressions are bes
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* Andy Teijelo Pérez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-12-09 11:52:07]:
> Does a country considered by the U.S. government as terrorist, or with which
> having commercial relationships is forbidden for american companies, apply
> for this offering?
I got some wise advice about not to make the contry the
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:52:07 -0500, Andy Teijelo Pérez wrote
> El Jueves, 8 de Diciembre de 2005 7:14, Andreas Schuldei escribió:
> > ...
> > i can try to come up with a list of countries if it helps.
>
> For some reason I don't understand, hitting reply on most messages
> in the list brings up th
Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Please stop assuming wrong facts.
> As I already stated several times before: Ryan was offered to integrate
> the buildd.net software. He declined with the argument that all
> information is already available on buildd.d.o. That's a clear sign that
El Jueves, 8 de Diciembre de 2005 7:14, Andreas Schuldei escribió:
> ...
> i can try to come up with a list of countries if it helps.
For some reason I don't understand, hitting reply on most messages in the list
brings up the new message window with the correct To: address
(debian-devel@lists.d
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 04:08:55PM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote:
> > Where is the buildd.net software located? I poked around on the site but
> > I couldn't find it except for the update-buildd.net script.
> (Replying to myself after getting an answer on IRC from Ingo...)
> The short summary to my ans
* Erinn Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005:12:09 12:45 -0500]:
> * Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005:12:09 17:48 +0100]:
> > Le vendredi 09 d?cembre 2005 ? 12:07 +1000, Anthony Towns a ?crit :
> > > Ingo's burnt a fair number of bridges wrt buildd issues; I'm sorry,
> > > but I don't really
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Setting up a buildd system do not require extra privileges from the
>Debian project, as far as I know. Any Debian developer with his
>public key in the keyring can sign uploads.
and get threats from the current buildd administrator to "mak
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>- How can I get information from "inside" a buildd, e.g. temporary files
> created during a failed build.
First pass answer: you can't. sbuild (tries to) clean up after builds.
Alternate: try to get a porter to redo the build and give y
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 15:06:26 -0500, Erinn Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> * Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005:12:09 13:27 -0600]:
>> I'm surprised you think raising ones voice civilly in concern about
>> a problem area in Debian is not playing nicely with others. Is your
>> contention t
* Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005:12:09 13:27 -0600]:
> I'm surprised you think raising ones voice civilly in concern
> about a problem area in Debian is not playing nicely with others. Is
> your contention that some volunteers are so much more equal than
> others that no vo
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:02:17 -0500, Erinn Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> * Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005:12:09 12:47 -0600]:
>> Err, so if a NM candidate speaks as openly as some DD's do, they
>> get threatened with having their applications cancelled because of
>> them speaking th
On Fri, December 9, 2005 20:02, Erinn Clark wrote:
> Surely flaming people on mailing lists as a way to get things done
> is not something people want to encourage in NMs... right? Wouldn't Debian
> want to find people who can think of new and inventive ways to achieve
> goals rather than resorting
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 05:48:13PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 09 décembre 2005 à 12:07 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit :
> > That's non-sensical. Everything the buildds do is logged pretty much
> > immediately onto http://buildd.debian.org/, which also provides long
> > running stati
* Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005:12:09 12:47 -0600]:
> Err, so if a NM candidate speaks as openly as some DD's do,
> they get threatened with having their applications cancelled because
> of them speaking their minds? What is this, a munich beer hall in
> 1933?
Isn't the p
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:27:10 +0100, Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 04:52:31PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>> >I also see the keyring's been updated earlier this week, including
>> >both a replacement key for Horms from late last month, and Chip's
>> >requested
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:07:11 +1000, Anthony Towns said:
> That's not a productive attitude. If they don't have time to answer
> questions, they almost certainly don't have time to ask for help,
> either. When that cirucmstance has arisen, the only way out is for
> others to work out what help's a
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> * Goswin von Brederlow:
>
>> Mirror size per arch (in MiB):
>>
>> | sarge | etch | sid | all
>> -+---+--+---+---
>> source | 9339 | 9419 | 11495 | 30252
>
> This looks suspicious. I expected that the total number
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Le vendredi 09 décembre 2005 à 12:07 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit :
>> That's non-sensical. Everything the buildds do is logged pretty much
>> immediately onto http://buildd.debian.org/, which also provides long
>> running statistics on how effective
* Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005:12:09 17:48 +0100]:
> Le vendredi 09 d?cembre 2005 ? 12:07 +1000, Anthony Towns a ?crit :
> > Ingo's burnt a fair number of bridges wrt buildd issues; I'm sorry,
> > but I don't really care if volunteers decline to work with people who're
> > obnoxious
Le vendredi 09 décembre 2005 à 23:49 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit :
> How many more years are we going to waste time with this hysteria before
> realising it doesn't achieve anything but "rapidly sucking the fun out
> of things"?
How many developer resignations will you need to understand inaction
Le vendredi 09 décembre 2005 à 12:07 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit :
> That's non-sensical. Everything the buildds do is logged pretty much
> immediately onto http://buildd.debian.org/, which also provides long
> running statistics on how effective the buildds are, and even a schedule
> of what the
Le vendredi 09 décembre 2005 à 16:27 +0100, Michael Banck a écrit :
> On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 04:52:31PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> > Indeed, complaining on debian-devel appears to get results, doesn't
> > it? At least, that's the conclusion that a rational outside observer
> > would come to
* Goswin von Brederlow:
> Mirror size per arch (in MiB):
>
> | sarge | etch | sid | all
> -+---+--+---+---
> source | 9339 | 9419 | 11495 | 30252
This looks suspicious. I expected that the total number would be
significantly less than the sum of the suites
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Baishampayan Ghose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* Package name: freehoo
Version : 3.4.1
Upstream Author : Anand Babu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, et al.
* URL : http://freehoo.nongnu.org
* License : GPL
Description : Freehoo is a fr
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 04:52:31PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> >I also see the keyring's been updated earlier this week, including
> >both a replacement key for Horms from late last month, and Chip's
> >requested updates.
> Indeed, complaining on debian-devel appears to get results, doesn't
>
Heiko Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> We found that gcc-2.95 -Os produces object code of acceptable quality
> within reasonable compilation times. gcc >=3 is less efficient w.r.t.
> compilation time and memory consumption and in many cases even fails
> to compile our codes due to the very l
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: freetalk
Version : 0.5
Upstream Author : Anand Avati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, et al.
* URL : http://freetalk.nongnu.org
* License : GPL
Description : Freetalk is a console based Jabber client.
Freetalk is a co
Turbo Fredriksson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm trying to build autoconf/automake on my semi woody...
>
> But that isn't going to well (to say the least). I really
> hate these two programs. It's always a mess to build them
> if you don't follow the latest and greatest (probably no
> faults to
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 01:52:51PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> > On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 10:41:51AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron M. Ucko) writes:
>
>> >> > Th
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 11:49:05PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 10:16:37PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > Anthony Towns writes:
> > > That's non-sensical. Everything the buildds do is logged pretty much
> > > immediately onto http://buildd.debian.org/, which also pr
Anthony Towns writes:
> On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 04:52:31PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>> To respond preemptively to one expected reply: "I don't have time to answer
>> these questions" is not a reasonable excuse, because if they don't have
>> time,
>> they need to ask for help.
>
> That's
Hi,
I got a bugreport requesting exected mirror sizes to be added to the
debmirror documentation and I thought some of you might be intrested
in them too. So heres the stats:
Mirror size for a singe arch and binary only (in MiB):
| sarge | etch | sid | all
-+---+--+--
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 10:16:37PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Anthony Towns writes:
> > That's non-sensical. Everything the buildds do is logged pretty much
> > immediately onto http://buildd.debian.org/, which also provides long
> > running statistics on how effective the buildds are, an
Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 09:43:36AM +0100, Frank Küster wrote:
>> Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > A buildd admin doesn't see much more than what you can see in the build
>> > logs. Basically the build logs is all a buildd adm
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 09:43:36AM +0100, Frank Küster wrote:
> Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 10:32:40PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote:
> >
> >> > Feature requests and other things are always welcome! I can't know what
> >> > you
> >> > want until you tell
Dear Thiemo,
we very much appreciate your work on the gcc-2.95 debian package.
For us - and probably also for other users in the scientific
community - the "old" compiler version is still of great value.
We use gcc-2.95 to compile C/C++ code with very large mathematical
expressions generated by
Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 10:32:40PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote:
>
>> > Feature requests and other things are always welcome! I can't know what you
>> > want until you tell it to me. ;)
>> Nothing - these the questions I was mainly interested in regardin
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