Heya Hamish,
On 1/14/06, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On a related note, it seems to me that the existence of the "MOTU" team,
> as non-core Ubuntu developers who are also not Debian developers,
> encourages more packages to be forked. Those developers can't make
> direct Debian upl
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 11:24:06PM +, Roger Leigh wrote:
> Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 05:51:03PM +, Roger Leigh wrote:
> >> >> If you still can't take the hint, I'll be more blunt: this isn't the
> >> >> first crass stunt you've pulled by any
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 11:03:37PM +, Brett Parker wrote:
> Of course, the post to d-d-a about lesbians that then goes on state
> """
> Don't post irrelevant stuff here. It would be a real shame if the list
> had to be moderated because people can't
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 12:59:23AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 09:42:22AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > > Um, I have said nothing against crediting maintainers in the
> > > packages. I have only said that I would li
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 06:00:41PM +0100, Jesus Climent wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 07:31:17PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
> > and this answers IMHO what the maintainer wants a patch for: a system
> > that would work with all download managers.
> Which is something it is not going to work.
Huh? W
I haven't had time for Debian in a long while - I've held on for a
while because I've enjoyed working for Debian, but I don't think I'll
find time again. Now I'm renovating a house and have switched to OSX,
so it's time I move on.
I'm truly sorry that I have neglected my packages for so l
Russ Allbery writes:
> Er, I thought it was offensive because it was sexist, not because
> there's anything wrong with being lesbian.
Indeed. I think the point was a fine one, but the manner in which it was
presented -- and more importantly, the fact that people are blowing
right by that and argu
* Sami Haahtinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-14 18:20]:
> I can understand that a part of the people behind Debian feel hostile
> against Ubuntu because it's succeeding in something that Debian was
> trying to achieve.
It's not about succeeding. It's about false statements all the time,
like "Ev
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On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 07:35:04PM +0100, Willi Mann wrote:
>
> But Windows security advisories don't contain debian packages. Ubuntu
> does contain close to all debian packages, and (I hope) most DDs have an
> interest to include improvements of other distributions in their
> packages (at leas
On Sunday 15 January 2006 00:47, Adam Heath wrote:
> In fact, both of the last 2 emails to d-d-a go against the AUP.
> Procedures should be started to punish the offenders.
They are of a completely different order. One is an error of judgement and
"merely" off-topic, the other is intentionally o
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 03:00:40PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > Since this sort of thing is apparently okay nowadays, and I know that
> > a lot of you like looking at lesbians, I'd like to share this with
> > you:
> >
> > http://www.flick
Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
>> Um, I have said nothing against crediting maintainers in the
>> packages. I have only said that I would like Ubuntu to clearly label
>> which is the Debian maintainer and which is the Ubuntu maintaine
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Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 05:51:03PM +, Roger Leigh wrote:
> > >> If you still can't take the hint, I'll be more blunt: this isn't the
> > >> first crass stunt you've pulled by any means, and you are now r
Wouter Verhelst wrote:
[...]
> When I first tried to create this setup, about a month after DebConf5
> (and about around the time when I announced this), it turned out
> that it was plain impossible to build a cross-compiler with the
> GCC4 code; not with toolchain-source (because that had not been
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Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 05:51:03PM +, Roger Leigh wrote:
>> >> If you still can't take the hint, I'll be more blunt: this isn't the
>> >> first crass stunt you've pulled by any means, and you are now r
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 05:51:03PM +, Roger Leigh wrote:
> >> If you still can't take the hint, I'll be more blunt: this isn't the
> >> first crass stunt you've pulled by any means, and you are now right at
> >> the limits of many peoples tolerance. Pull another one again, I may
> >> be forced
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On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 03:53:51PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 05:49:40PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
> > I don't buy this. The impression that just about everyone has of this
> > didn't come from nowhere.
>
> Not from nowhere, no. The statements that Ubuntu "steals use
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 12:18:43PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> On 10534 March 1977, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>
> >> Intuitively, I would not expect any standard to classify any of the
> >> current derivatives as 'part of the Debian world'. We have very little
> >> interaction with any of them.
> >
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 01:07:37AM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> We've been recently talking about creating a group to maintain games in Debian
> in a collaborative way. As a starting point, I've created a mailing list in
Oh this is cool! I joined.
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinf
On 1/14/06, Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote:
> > I got you sarcasm, but I still think that messages posted to
> > debian-devel-announce should be more official.
>
> Come on, it is just Mr. Suffield slowly turning into the Overfiend :)
>
slowly? Are you sure? I dis
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Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 06:20:40PM +0200, Sami Haahtinen wrote:
>>I read the part about sarcasm and i partially argee with you. But i'm
>>with Andreas here. Your post didn't help anyone, the original Ubuntu
>>post was important
Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There was nothing offensive about Andrew's message. Since you do not
> offer any reasons for your melodramatic conclusion, I suspect that you
> are merely trolling.
> I *hope* you are not using this list to engage in discrimination against
> those whose se
Sami Haahtinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I can understand that a part of the people behind Debian feel hostile
> against Ubuntu because it's succeeding in something that Debian was
> trying to achieve. But what i can't understand is that people behind
> Ubuntu are trying to reach out and build
Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Russ Allbery wrote:
>> The thing is... most of the orphaned packages are in fairly good shape.
> How do you know?
Well, because at one point I went through the PTS for each one of them,
checked for filed bugs, checked lintian reports, etc. I haven't
Windows security advisories are surely important to quite a few
people, and probably to more readers of -devel-announce than Ubuntu
stuff. Are you saying that it would be okay to post these? If not,
then you need to rethink your reasoning here. Personally, I don't
think "important to the subscri
Hello,
loading cc-mode with emacs-snapshot I get a
Cannot open load file cee-hook
message (similar, from memory).
Turns out, that bigloo-ude does not install for that flavour of emacs
and it won't for emacs22 either ...
This will help:
$ diff -u bigloo-ude.dist bigloo-ude
--- bigloo-ude.dist
* Lior Kaplan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Lior Kaplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> * Package name: firefox-bidiui
> Version : 0.1
> Upstream Author : Lior Kaplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL :
> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/debia
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>>I think that not shipping unmaintained and unsupported packages is a
>>benefit. Packages need a maintainer to enter, I think they should need
>>one to stay.
> You wouldn't say that if you were a user using an orphaned package ...
Well, I've been in the situation to dig ou
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Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 08:40, Roger Leigh wrote:
>> Andrew, do you understand just how inappropriate and offensive your
>> mail was? Nothing justifies abuse of our lists like that. d-d-a is a
>> widely-read lis
Hi,
I'm intending to drop the EVMS udeb; it hasn't been functional since at least
before the first alpha version of d-i for sarge, and currently it's not doing
any good except make evms harder to get into testing.
If anybody has an interest in making d-i capable of installing directly onto
EVMS i
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 06:20:40PM +0200, Sami Haahtinen wrote:
> Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > If you can't understand sarcasm, why didn't you read the part for
> > people who can't understand sarcasm?
>
> I read the part about sarcasm and i partially argee with you. But i'm
> with Andreas here. You
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 05:55:14PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > > That's simply wrong given the many people who use both and who cares about
> > > both.
> >
> > By this reasoning, Windows is 'part of the Debian world'. I hope you
> > didn't expect
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On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 08:40, Roger Leigh wrote:
> Andrew, do you understand just how inappropriate and offensive your
> mail was? Nothing justifies abuse of our lists like that. d-d-a is a
> widely-read list both inside and outside the project, and you have
> done harm to our reputation.
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 07:31:17PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
>
> and this answers IMHO what the maintainer wants a patch for: a system
> that would work with all download managers.
Which is something it is not going to work.
> The current intent to NMU is proposing curl | wget which doesn't need
>
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > That's simply wrong given the many people who use both and who cares about
> > both.
>
> By this reasoning, Windows is 'part of the Debian world'. I hope you
> didn't expect anybody to take it seriously.
Ok, not well worded, let me rephrase it. It's
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Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 03:00:40PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
>> Since this sort of thing is apparently okay nowadays, and I know
>> that a lot of you like looking at lesbians, I'd like to shar
Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote:
> I got you sarcasm, but I still think that messages posted to
> debian-devel-announce should be more official.
Come on, it is just Mr. Suffield slowly turning into the Overfiend :)
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Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 03:24:42AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 06:04:00PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
The fact you don't have anyone able to make a working cross-compiler
speaks somewhat poorly of the support available for the m68k toolchain,
to
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
> How do you know?
The BTS.
> > Most of the orphaned packages are orphaned because they're obscure and the
> > person who cared about the package has left the project or run out of
> > time. However, they are probably still working fine for people with
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > There's no "Ubuntu maintainer" for a specific package... packages in
> > Universe are sometimes uploaded by several different person. [...]
>
> OK, but is listing the Debian maintainer as the only contact person
> appropriate?
>
> I've seem some fork
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Andrew Suffield wrote:
> If you can't understand sarcasm, why didn't you read the part for
> people who can't understand sarcasm?
I read the part about sarcasm and i partially argee with you. But i'm
with Andreas here. Your post didn't help anyone, th
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Hi!
* Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060114 09:57]:
> You're only one inside Debian and you can't generalize your personal
> opinion on the whole project.
Neither can you.
Yours sincerely,
Alexander
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Hi,
Cc'ing oprofile-list to see if anyone is interested in this topic.
> > I've been pondering on using kernel-package to generate debug
> > 'vmlinux' images which are used in tools like kernel crash dump
> > analysis tools and oprofile[1].
>
> > Currently I'm running 'make vmlinux' after genera
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 03:00:40PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> Since this sort of thing is apparently okay nowadays, and I know that
> a lot of you like looking at lesbians, I'd like to share this with
> you:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/81351129/in/photostream/
>
> [And
If you can't understand sarcasm, why didn't you read the part for
people who can't understand sarcasm?
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Andrew Suffield wrote:
Since this sort of thing is apparently okay nowadays, and I know that
... is it not OK as you definitely know and my intention is not to
feed you troll but that I hope the "Debian lesbian" ration will just
be kept low because I changed the subject an
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 09:57:15AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Bill Allombert wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 11:35:24PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > > I believe Ubuntu fills an important gap in the Debian world and as such
> >
> > Ubuntu is not part of the Debian
On 1/14/06, Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 03:03:14PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> (...)
> > Exactly my point Matthew, and calm down David, i wrote: "e.g.: David
> > said that Daniel helped him, but if he did that in his workhours it's
> > under Canonical bless.".
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:34:51PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> can easily spot the holes in it. Likewise, a proposal that Ubuntu
> developers should put their changes into Debian instead sounds simple, but
> to an Ubuntu developer is obviously impractical.
Could you elaborate on this? It's not
> But not *our* problem. *They* should do the work to get it better. If
> they dont do it - then it is their problem, not ours.
I imagine that Raphaël was thinking about debian-edu for instance. We
recently tried to push some involvment among French DD's to get in
closer touch with people packagi
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 09:42:22AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > Um, I have said nothing against crediting maintainers in the
> > packages. I have only said that I would like Ubuntu to clearly label
> > which is the Debian maintainer and which
Russ Allbery wrote:
> Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
>>Can you elaborate on this? I'm not sure how the existence of more
>>packages that should be orphaned invalidates dealing with those that
>>presently are.
>
>
>>There's 169 orphaned packages today, why not do something about
On 10534 March 1977, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>> Intuitively, I would not expect any standard to classify any of the
>> current derivatives as 'part of the Debian world'. We have very little
>> interaction with any of them.
> And that's a pity.
But not *our* problem. *They* should do the work to ge
Hi,
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've dug out some information from IRC logs:
> >
> > saens was overloaded around 5 Jan 2006, with load average of 140 or
> > something, and eventually apache stopped. Since saens is one of
> > ftp.debian.org, it had a large impact, and packages.debian.org is
> > disabled te
Hi,
Sorry for the late response, but I was on VAC for a while and my
backlog is always long:
>
> * Let's modify pbuilder to run test-build tests and (if
> possible) also the generic tool and test-install tests.
> These belong, I think, better into pbuilder then piuparts,
>
Hi,
> > Another difference I noticed is that fl-cow takes a list of
> > directories to protect in FL_COW, and seems to copy files
> > unconditionally on 'open'.
> >
> > cowdancer caches a list of i-nodes so that it won't try to break
> > hardlinks more than once. (cow-shell does this much work).
Hi,
> > I think you'll find the correct place is the -sh list, which was notified:
> >
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-superh/2002/04/msg00010.html
> >
> > The "sh" arch in unstable has consisted of "Architecture: all" packages only
> > since then.
>
> Even so you informed the porters it wou
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 10:27:31PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > That's kind of a strange position to take, isn't it? Does this mean that
> > the many users who use Debian directly sheerly on technical excellence
> > alone, without sharing Debian's
Hello,
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Bill Allombert wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 11:35:24PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > I believe Ubuntu fills an important gap in the Debian world and as such
>
> Ubuntu is not part of the Debian world,
That's simply wrong given the many people who use both and
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Um, I have said nothing against crediting maintainers in the
> packages. I have only said that I would like Ubuntu to clearly label
> which is the Debian maintainer and which is the Ubuntu maintainer.
There's no "Ubuntu maintainer" for a specific
Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> While I'm sure there'll be some people who'll complain no matter what,
>> I don't see what the problem with mailing patches directly to the BTS
>> is. As far as tracking is concerned, making use of "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>> usertags or similar would se
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 10:27:31PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 01:26:25AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 11:35:24PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > > I believe Ubuntu fills an important gap in the Debian world and as such
>
> > Ubuntu is not p
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