Re: The necessity of running depmod at boot time

2006-05-19 Thread Joey Hess
Marco d'Itri wrote: I think because depmod --quick is supposed to be about as fast as find. YM as fast as test -nt? Doesn't seem to be on a dry cache. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-19 Thread Drew Parsons
Ron wrote: Drew Parsons wrote: I am correct in understanding that this means bytecode (*.class) generated using gcj -C is not permitted by this licence to be run using the Sun JVM? Probably so. Given the imperfect compatibility between gcj Sun Java 1.5, can you say whether the

Work-needing packages report for May 19, 2006

2006-05-19 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 287 (new: 1) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 78 (new: 0) Total number of packages

Re: Bug#367962: Please don't ship a /lib64 symlink in the package on amd64

2006-05-19 Thread Andreas Jochens
Hello Aurelien, On 06-May-19 04:15, Aurelien Jarno wrote: [Ccing: amd64 and dpkg developers as they are concerned by this subject] Currently the (/usr)/lib64 - /lib symlink is shipped in the libc6 package. Goswin von Brederlow asked for this link to be created in the postinst instead, so

Re: Intent to hijack Bacula (Heads up, Get The Facts!) (long)

2006-05-19 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
Quoting =?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgTHVpcyBUYWxsw7Nu?= [EMAIL PROTECTED]: John Goerzen wrote: JLTI was reprehended by Turbo Fredriksson due to the amount of CPU wasted. He cared to contribute some patches which, after being integrated and enhanced --as much as i could-- by me, form the current build

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Loïc Minier
On Thu, May 18, 2006, Margarita Manterola wrote: During some tests I've performed, I've found that making the init scripts run with dash as default shell instead of bash makes the boot time a 10% faster (6 seconds in a 60 second boot). [...] 2. Change #!/bin/sh for #!/bin/dash in the scripts

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 19, David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would mean having 2 shells since some scripts need bash. What a waste on small systems. Well, most of those scripts can be fixed quite easily, some require a bit more work. I hereby promise to help fixing them to the extent of my

Re: The necessity of running depmod at boot time

2006-05-19 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 19, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco d'Itri wrote: I think because depmod --quick is supposed to be about as fast as find. YM as fast as test -nt? Doesn't seem to be on a dry cache. No, I really meant as fast as find. Which other test do you suggest? -- ciao, Marco

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Joey Hess
Margarita Manterola wrote: Option (1) implies making dash base and Essential: yes (currently dash is optional), and that would imply that until no Essential package depends on bash, we would have two shells in Essential. Since initramfs-tools, yaird, and initrd-tools all depend on dash anyway,

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Joey Hess
Olaf van der Spek wrote: Can't you only change the symlink if/when dash is installed? Yes, dash manages /bin/sh in a sensible manner. dpkg-reconfigure dash to switch the symlink to it. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Joey Hess
Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: Of course, all the packages in question must then depend on dash, but that's not really a problem IMHO. The only problem I do see is that dash currently asks a question upon installation, which I think it should simply stop doing so, administrators who want this

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Margarita Manterola] During some tests I've performed, I've found that making the init scripts run with dash as default shell instead of bash makes the boot time a 10% faster (6 seconds in a 60 second boot). I saw (parts of) your talk at debconf on this topic, and was happy to see the

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi On Fri, 19 May 2006 10:12:57 +0200 Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe this is a fairly safe thing to do, but believe it should be done shortly after etch releases, and not just a few months before we freeze for etch. There are other things we can manage before etch

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 19 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Alternatives are more suited for cases where one binary is provided by multiple packages. Currently we have bash, dash, sash, posh. Anything else? Are you prepared to put your life on the

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 18 mai 2006 à 09:50 -0500, Anthony Towns a écrit : As a final note, did anyone from Debian who usually examines licences actually examine this one? Yes. At the election time, I hoped you could improve regarding communication skills, at least enough to become a project leader.

Re: Bug#367962: Please don't ship a /lib64 symlink in the package on amd64

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Currently the (/usr)/lib64 - /lib symlink is shipped in the libc6 package. Goswin von Brederlow asked for this link to be created in the postinst instead, so that packages could install files in both (/usr)/lib and (/usr)/lib64 directories. I have

Re: Bug#367962: Please don't ship a /lib64 symlink in the package on amd64

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Jochens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Aurelien, On 06-May-19 04:15, Aurelien Jarno wrote: [Ccing: amd64 and dpkg developers as they are concerned by this subject] Currently the (/usr)/lib64 - /lib symlink is shipped in the libc6 package. Goswin von Brederlow asked for this link

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-19 Thread Jochen Voss
Hi Anthony, On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 09:50:10AM -0500, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 11:09:30PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: As a final note, did anyone from Debian who usually examines licences actually examine this one? Yes. What did he/she think about the following

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-19 Thread Michael Meskes
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 09:50:10AM -0500, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 11:09:30PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: First off, I'm going to completely ignore the FAQ as the FAQ and the license both specifies that the FAQ does not have any legal validity. Repeating frequently

Re: Bug#367962: Please don't ship a /lib64 symlink in the package on amd64

2006-05-19 Thread Andreas Jochens
On 06-May-19 11:02, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Andreas Jochens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anything which makes it easier to violate this simple policy will lead to a mixed usage of /usr/lib and /usr/lib64 and consequently to problems which could be difficult to disentangle later. The

Re: Section of -dev packages

2006-05-19 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060518 21:20]: Better to just remove the sections from override altogether. Just keep what the package says. Doesn't the current setup also ensure no package from non-free or contrib accidentially end up in main when the section is wrong?

Re: Section of -dev packages

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bernhard R. Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060518 21:20]: Better to just remove the sections from override altogether. Just keep what the package says. Doesn't the current setup also ensure no package from non-free or contrib accidentially end up in

Re: Re: Re: screenshot with package description

2006-05-19 Thread Gonéri Le Bouder
However, another solution would be just place these JPGs and PNGs flat on the server and have apt just download them and save them Yes, a public repository where people download the picture when they need it. i have an Internet access (dialup or broadband) 1) I set a remote repository URL with

Re: Bug#367200: ITP: libemail-send-perl -- Simply Sending Email

2006-05-19 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 11:35 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: Except, this is _doubling_ a question that was already asked somewhere else, ie, a bug. The UNIX way of configuring the mail is setting up a binary that knows how to deliver it as

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-19 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi Michael, On Friday, 19 May 2006, you wrote: As a final note, did anyone from Debian who usually examines licences actually examine this one? Yes. I take it you were too busy to elaborate on this when you wrote this email. So you will probably give us the name of this person

Re: Intent to hijack Bacula (Heads up, Get The Facts!) (long)

2006-05-19 Thread Stephen Frost
* Turbo Fredriksson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: But regarding the build system, I REALLY object to any major changes! Fixes yes, but not REPLACEMENT!! Uhh, or, not... Sorry, but the build system was terrible and is certainly something which should not be encouraged. I'd encourage you to look

Re: Bug#367962: Please don't ship a /lib64 symlink in the package on amd64

2006-05-19 Thread Stephen Frost
* Aurelien Jarno ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The FHS is actually not very clear, as it says 64-bit libraries should be in (/usr)/lib64, whereas system libraries should be in (/usr)/lib. This is a contradiction for a pure 64-bit system. The FHS is very clear about the path to the 64bit linker,

Re: Intent to hijack Bacula (Heads up, Get The Facts!) (long)

2006-05-19 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
Quoting Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Turbo Fredriksson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: But regarding the build system, I REALLY object to any major changes! Fixes yes, but not REPLACEMENT!! Uhh, or, not... Sorry, but the build system was terrible and is certainly something which should

Re: Intent to hijack Bacula (Heads up, Get The Facts!) (long)

2006-05-19 Thread Stephen Frost
* Turbo Fredriksson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Quoting Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Turbo Fredriksson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: But regarding the build system, I REALLY object to any major changes! Fixes yes, but not REPLACEMENT!! Uhh, or, not... Sorry, but the build system

Re: Bug#367200: ITP: libemail-send-perl -- Simply Sending Email

2006-05-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 11:35 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: Except, this is _doubling_ a question that was already asked somewhere else, ie, a bug. The UNIX way of configuring the mail

alternatives and priorities

2006-05-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi, Today, after upgrading my system, suddenly mcedit became the default editor, rather than vim as I expected it. Investigating showed that some funny guy decided that mcedit could use a priority of 100, whereas vim had fallen back to 60 since the latest upgrade. Fixing this wasn't very hard,

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-19 Thread Jon Dowland
At 1148052328 past the epoch, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Using popcon would ensure that the applications which most people prefer would be the default; this is a fair and objective criterion. Thoughts? Interesting idea, but by my reckoning that would make ed the default editor for most people,

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-19 Thread Jon Dowland
At 1148048910 past the epoch, Jon Dowland wrote: Interesting idea, but by my reckoning that would make ed the default editor for most people, which I don't think is a good idea: http://popcon.debian.org/main/editors/by_inst Eek. Of course if you go by vote, then vim or nvi trump ed,

Re: Intent to hijack Bacula (Heads up, Get The Facts!) (long)

2006-05-19 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
Quoting Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Turbo Fredriksson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Quoting Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Turbo Fredriksson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: But regarding the build system, I REALLY object to any major changes! Fixes yes, but not REPLACEMENT!!

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 05:45:46AM +0200, David Weinehall wrote: Well, most of those scripts can be fixed quite easily, some require a bit more work. I hereby promise to help fixing them to the extent of my capability. Let's see. The nbd-client and nbd-server initscripts use bash arrays. Do

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 02:05:12AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On May 19, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since bash does enable some features that are not specified in POSIX, even when called as /bin/sh, I don't see what the problem would be of installing something else as our

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 09:44:45AM +0200, Loïc Minier wrote: On Thu, May 18, 2006, Margarita Manterola wrote: During some tests I've performed, I've found that making the init scripts run with dash as default shell instead of bash makes the boot time a 10% faster (6 seconds in a 60 second

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-19 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 03:25:28PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Fixing this wasn't very hard, but it made me consider why we let a maintainer decide what the alternative priority of an editor would be. Mm -- I always wondered why xfce-session-manager had a priority over gnome-session-manager

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 02:28:30PM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: At 1148052328 past the epoch, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Using popcon would ensure that the applications which most people prefer would be the default; this is a fair and objective criterion. Thoughts? Interesting idea, but by

Re: Intent to hijack Bacula (Heads up, Get The Facts!) (long)

2006-05-19 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 09:35:57AM +0200, Turbo Fredriksson wrote: But regarding the build system, I REALLY object to any major changes! Fixes yes, but not REPLACEMENT!! Well, it's a little late for that. ;-) The first build system really sucked. It took AGES to build, and that I have no

Re: Intent to hijack Bacula (Heads up, Get The Facts!) (long)

2006-05-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 02:44:14PM +0200, Turbo Fredriksson wrote: Quoting Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Honestly, though, I'm much more concerned about maintainability than speed of the build. It's not especially problematic to maintain as it is now, and I ask you to recognize the

Sascha Einloft ist nicht im Büro | Sascha Einloft is not in the office.

2006-05-19 Thread Sascha Einloft
Ich werde ab Fr, 19.05.2006 nicht im Büro sein. Ich kehre zurück am Di, 23.05.2006. Bitte wenden Sie sich während meiner Abwesenheit an meine Kollegen von der IT-Abteilung unter der Telefonnummer: +49 (8272) 86-555. Please contact my colleagues from the IT department - extension -555 - during my

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Margarita Manterola [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: During some tests I've performed, I've found that making the init scripts run with dash as default shell instead of bash makes the boot time a 10% faster (6 seconds in a 60 second boot). To make this speed up

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 10:18:46AM +0200, Michal Čihař wrote: There are anyway users using dash as /bin/sh right now and broken packages are bugged, so switching default should not reveal any new bug The policy says: # If a script requires non-POSIX features from the shell interpreter, the #

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-19 Thread gregor herrmann
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 02:28:30PM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: Using popcon would ensure that the applications which most people prefer would be the default; this is a fair and objective criterion. Interesting idea, but by my reckoning that would make ed the default editor for most people,

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Dowland wrote: At 1148052328 past the epoch, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Using popcon would ensure that the applications which most people prefer would be the default; this is a fair and objective criterion. Thoughts? Interesting idea, but by

Re: Intent to hijack Bacula (Heads up, Get The Facts!) (long)

2006-05-19 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 03:29:55PM +0200, Turbo Fredriksson wrote: The ONLY problem with the current (partial) build system is that part of (!!) the build is hardcoded. Where libs are, and the name of the MySQL/PgSQL libs will rarely (if ever) change so this is not a PROBLEM, it's only a

Re: Intent to hijack Bacula (Heads up, Get The Facts!) (long)

2006-05-19 Thread Stephen Frost
* Turbo Fredriksson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: You keep saying that, without showing the problems. From what I can see, all you say is it's wrong, it's very wrong and there's major problems with it. John pointed out the issues to it earlier in this thread, which you said you had followed so I

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 19, Adam Borowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, here's an idea: let's make it karma-mandatory for debian-devel readers to have /bin/sh point to foosh for sh!=ba. The more people people use alternate shells, the faster bugs are exposed. Good idea, just don't try it with posh. And

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 03:25:28PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Fixing this wasn't very hard, but it made me consider why we let a maintainer decide what the alternative priority of an editor would be. Mm -- I always wondered why

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 05:45:46AM +0200, David Weinehall wrote: Well, most of those scripts can be fixed quite easily, some require a bit more work. I hereby promise to help fixing them to the extent of my capability. Let's see. The nbd-client and

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-19 Thread Jon Dowland
At 1148053588 past the epoch, Wouter Verhelst wrote: That's not an issue. First, ed doesn't install an alternatives for editor. Ah. Of course :) Sheepish, -- Jon Dowland http://alcopop.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Keysigning, Cincinnati, OH area, or Sask (as far as Alberta border)

2006-05-19 Thread Drew Scott Daniels
Hi, I'm off on two trips. One across Saskatchewan (Trans Canada, and parts south), from one side of the province to the other. The other to Cincinnati, OH via Minneapolis, MN Airport. Email me for details (I'm not subscribed to debian-devel). I may not be able to use my existing key (forgot

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 5/19/06, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 05:45:46AM +0200, David Weinehall wrote: Well, most of those scripts can be fixed quite easily, some require a bit more work. I hereby promise to help fixing them to the extent of my capability. Let's see. The

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Gabor Gombas
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 03:17:20AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Alternatives are more suited for cases where one binary is provided by multiple packages. Currently we have bash, dash, sash, posh. Anything else? Alternatives break on a daily basis, I wouldn't trust them for something as

Re: Section of -dev packages

2006-05-19 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
Bernhard R. Link wrote: * Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060518 21:20]: Better to just remove the sections from override altogether. Just keep what the package says. Doesn't the current setup also ensure no package from non-free or contrib accidentially end up in main when the

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-19 Thread Simon Huggins
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 03:41:12PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 03:25:28PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Fixing this wasn't very hard, but it made me consider why we let a maintainer decide what the alternative priority of an editor would be. Mm -- I always

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Frank Küster
Adam Borowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 10:18:46AM +0200, Michal Čihař wrote: There are anyway users using dash as /bin/sh right now and broken packages are bugged, so switching default should not reveal any new bug The policy says: # If a script requires non-POSIX

Re: Bug#367962: Please don't ship a /lib64 symlink in the package on amd64

2006-05-19 Thread Gabor Gombas
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 10:58:33AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Local admins are already allowed to convert directories into links, e.g. to move parts ot the directory tree to another disk. According to Steve Langasek in Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] that's not allowed and you should use

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 03:17:20AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Alternatives are more suited for cases where one binary is provided by multiple packages. Currently we have bash, dash, sash, posh. Anything else? Alternatives break on a daily

Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hi, Debian policy says: | 8.2 Run-time support programs | | If your package has some run-time support programs which use the | shared library you must not put them in the shared library | package. If you do that then you won't be able to install several | versions of the shared library without

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-19 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 03:25:28PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Today, after upgrading my system, suddenly mcedit became the default editor, rather than vim as I expected it. Investigating showed that some funny guy decided that mcedit could use a priority of 100, whereas vim had fallen back

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Hi, Debian policy says: | 8.2 Run-time support programs | | If your package has some run-time support programs which use the | shared library you must not put them in the shared library | package. If you do that then you won't be able to install several | versions

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Goswin von Brederlow 2006-05-19 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The line below looks for all packages with a *.so.* file in (/usr)/lib and a file in (/usr)/bin. The assumption is that anything with a *.so.* file in the system library dirs is a library package and those may not have files in (/usr)/bin.

Re: cleaning up lib*-dev packages?

2006-05-19 Thread Matthias Julius
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think a more elegant solution would be if aptitude had a command to install build-depends. It could attach a new flag to a package that causes aptitude to treat build-depends just like depends of that

early dpkg prototype implementation in perl

2006-05-19 Thread Justin Pryzby
Apparently dpkg was initially written/prototyped in perl; does there exist somewhere a copy of that implementation? Please Cc: me, Justin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Frank Küster
Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: libc6 GNU Libc Maintainers debian-glibc@lists.debian.org For this one, please talk with the ftpmasters. Such a change has already been done, but rejected from the NEW queue. Can you quote the reasons? Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster

RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-19 Thread Alex Ross
The following is based on premises that portability is good and that POSIX is a standard. A proposal. Over the last couple months we've built about gazillion Ubuntu/Dapper packages. The process is heavily automated ([1], [2], [3]). And so, to lookup the result of the XYZ build (where XYZ is a

Re: The necessity of running depmod at boot time

2006-05-19 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 07:21:33PM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: Continuing on the goal of optimizing boot time, quite a number of seconds (specially in old machines) can be saved by not running depmod at boot time. Currently it is run by these packages' postinst: Wouldn't it be a good

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Frank Küster wrote: Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: libc6 GNU Libc Maintainers debian-glibc@lists.debian.org For this one, please talk with the ftpmasters. Such a change has already been done, but rejected from the NEW queue. Can you quote the reasons? Yes,

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Frank Küster
Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Küster wrote: Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: libc6 GNU Libc Maintainers debian-glibc@lists.debian.org For this one, please talk with the ftpmasters. Such a change has already been done, but rejected from the NEW

Re: Bug#367962: Please don't ship a /lib64 symlink in the package on amd64

2006-05-19 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, I'm not suggesting splitting the dirs. Just the way the link is setup. I'm suggesting creating it in the maintainer scripts instead of the data.tar.gz so packages that do ship files in (/usr)/lib64 don't make libc6 unupgradable. On debootstrap install, libc6 postinst isn't actually ran

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Hi, Debian policy says: | 8.2 Run-time support programs | | If your package has some run-time support programs which use the | shared library you must not put them in the shared library | package. If you do that then you

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Christoph Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Re: Goswin von Brederlow 2006-05-19 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The line below looks for all packages with a *.so.* file in (/usr)/lib and a file in (/usr)/bin. The assumption is that anything with a *.so.* file in the system library dirs is a library package

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-19 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 10:34:35AM -0700, Alex Ross wrote: The following is based on premises that portability is good and that POSIX is a standard. A proposal. I didn't see a concrete proposal in your email, only information about where to find gnusolaris build logs. Can you elaborate? --

Re: cleaning up lib*-dev packages?

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think a more elegant solution would be if aptitude had a command to install build-depends. It could attach a new flag to a package that causes aptitude to

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Hi, Debian policy says: | 8.2 Run-time support programs | | If your package has some run-time support programs which use the | shared library you must not put them in the shared library | package.

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Hi, Debian policy says: | 8.2 Run-time support programs | | If your package has some run-time support programs which use the | shared library you must

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 10:09:28AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: If you really have urgent reasons to get a package into new, the best action is probably to send a mail to debian-release and to present these reasons. Please don't abuse the release team's relationship with the ftpmasters for NEW

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-19 Thread Maximiliano Curia
On Friday 19 May 2006 10:25, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Today, after upgrading my system, suddenly mcedit became the default editor, rather than vim as I expected it. Investigating showed that some funny guy decided that mcedit could use a priority of 100, whereas vim had fallen back to 60 since

Re: Bug#367962: Please don't ship a /lib64 symlink in the package on amd64

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Junichi Uekawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I'm not suggesting splitting the dirs. Just the way the link is setup. I'm suggesting creating it in the maintainer scripts instead of the data.tar.gz so packages that do ship files in (/usr)/lib64 don't make libc6 unupgradable. On

Re: debian and UDEV

2006-05-19 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Freitag, 19. Mai 2006 03:14 schrieb Goswin von Brederlow: Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Donnerstag, 18. Mai 2006 21:53 schrieb Goswin von Brederlow: But how do you detect when there is no device to be found to call the function? That's of absolutely no interest because

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Alex Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The following is based on premises that portability is good and that POSIX is a standard. A proposal. Over the last couple months we've built about gazillion Ubuntu/Dapper packages. The process is heavily automated ([1], [2], [3]). And so, to lookup the

[draft] Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-19 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
Let me reply to at least some of the points raised here right now. By the way, one of the Sun engineers was involved in packaging, and actually wrote (with help from others) part of the license agreement code etc. using debconf. I don't think that has any legal value (but I'm not a legal expert),

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Al Stone
On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 18:44 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Debian policy says: | 8.2 Run-time support programs | | If your package has some run-time support programs which use the | shared library you must not put them in the shared library | package. If you do that then you won't be

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-19 Thread Stephen Frost
* Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 10:09:28AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: If you really have urgent reasons to get a package into new, the best action is probably to send a mail to debian-release and to present these reasons. Please don't abuse the release

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Maximiliano Curia
On Friday 19 May 2006 05:12, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: I was a bit surprised that parallel execution only shaved 2 seconds of the boot, but suspect it might be because of inefficient implementation in /etc/init.d/rc. Not really a /etc/init.d/rc fault, is more likely a problem that there is

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 19 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 19 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Alternatives are more suited for cases where one binary is provided by multiple packages. Currently we have bash, dash, sash, posh.

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-19 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 01:15:44PM -0700, Alex Ross wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 10:34:35AM -0700, Alex Ross wrote: The following is based on premises that portability is good and that POSIX is a standard. A proposal. I didn't see a concrete proposal in your email,

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-19 Thread Gustavo Franco
Well, great we're now in Slashdot as new Java license supporters[0]. Of course, somebody noticed the error[1], but it isn't enough. The original article[2] contains DLJ also has support from Gentoo and Debian.. I haven't endorsed anything, so for those who prepared this and submitted an

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Loïc Minier] Right now, if a script is named .sh, it is sourced, perhaps it's enough to change /etc/init.d/rc to use dash, depend on dash there (sysv-rc), and progressively convert init scripts to use a symlink ending in .sh when they are POSIX? Actually, if we want to run the scripts in

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-19 Thread Alex Ross
Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 01:15:44PM -0700, Alex Ross wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 10:34:35AM -0700, Alex Ross wrote: The following is based on premises that portability is good and that POSIX is a standard. A proposal. I didn't see a concrete

Re: alternatives and priorities

2006-05-19 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Gregor Herrmann] If you look at by_vote [0] the situation is different: http://popcon.debian.org/main/editors/by_vote [0] which seems more relevant to me: #inst is the number of people who installed this package; #vote is the number of people who use this package regularly; Note, the

bug cloning not working the way i expected?

2006-05-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Take a look at http://bugs.debian.org/367800. I cloned the bug, but neither of the clones seem to have appeared on the page for gnucash, nor did the severity of the bug get increased. The title did get changed, however. Any ideas what's going on? Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2006-05-19 kello 09:35 +0200, Marco d'Itri kirjoitti: On May 19, David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would mean having 2 shells since some scripts need bash. What a waste on small systems. Well, most of those scripts can be fixed quite easily, some require a bit more

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-19 Thread Alex Ross
Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 10:34:35AM -0700, Alex Ross wrote: The following is based on premises that portability is good and that POSIX is a standard. A proposal. I didn't see a concrete proposal in your email, only information about where to find gnusolaris build logs.

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Simon Huggins
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 07:56:54PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't see why this could be a problem for multiarch. The library is only used by the binary which is the same package, so they are always in sync. libfoo:i386 contains

Re: Packages violating policy 8.2

2006-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Al Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If the library is only used for binary packages from the same source [which always get updated together] then why not put it in /usr/lib/package/ and make it not public? This could be done for the qprof package. I'm not sure that qualifies as an RC bug,

Re: id gives conflicting results

2006-05-19 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if the weird AFS PAG hack is corrupting the process group list in some way. It would be the first time I'd heard of that problem if so, but That's quite possible, as I've observed similar behavior on my amd64 machine (but neglected to report it

Re: RFC: Better portability for package maintainers

2006-05-19 Thread Russ Allbery
Alex Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Minimally, package maintainers and developers could take a look on our logs and see if there's anything wrong. If there is, in many cases the fix is obvious. You probably need to provide a view by maintainer in order to get visibility to many developers.

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