Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 10:29:07PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > I agree that the benefits are worth the deal, but we should make clear > > that the price to pay for these benefits is a continuous effort from the > > maintainer. Therefore it should

Bug#427605: ITP: privbind -- Allow unprivileged apps to bind to a privileged port

2007-06-04 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: privbind Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/privbind * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Des

How is bugs.txt generated on qa.d.o ?

2007-06-04 Thread Mike Hommey
Hi, How is generated the following file ? http://qa.debian.org/data/ddpo/results/bugs.txt I'm asking because it usually happens that it contains broken entries, such as, currently: information:==searching:0(0) 1(1) 0(0) 0(0) ca`result:===for:0(0) 1(1) 0(0) 0(0) reproduce:=

Re: License discussions in Debian (was: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta)

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 11:08:39PM +0200, Frank K?ster wrote: > Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > See, given that as an ftpmaster I'm one of the folks who actually > > implements the policy on what's accepted into main or not, it's not my > > loss at all. > I think that Debian would very

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 02:32:10PM -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 10:29:07PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 21:29 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > > > > Again, this doesn't take into account existing symbols that change thei

i386 33meg boot iso

2007-06-04 Thread rdelo
To: All Wow!!! I have tried to install debian 4 or 5 times and hungup on vidio drivers or mem address for the drivers. I downloaded the 33 meg. i386 boot iso on 6/4/07 daily build #2 It whent from boot to a desktop system in 35-40 minutes with only input at the prompts. If you need any

Re: Why not move Apt to a relational database

2007-06-04 Thread Daniel Burrows
I'm sorry I don't have more time to comment on this. On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 10:55:01AM +0100, Justin Emmanuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Based on a relational database it will run faster, also there should be > some more data stored about the programs to facilitate system restorin

checklib... (Re: checklib)

2007-06-04 Thread Oleg Verych
On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 04:24:20PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: [] > > - `objdump' can handle one file at time (and not buggy). > > I don't understand that comment. > ,[ Manual page objdump(1) ] > | SYNOPSIS > |objdump [-a|--archive-headers] <> objfile... > | DESCRIPTION >

Re: Why not move Apt to a relational database

2007-06-04 Thread Warren Turkal
On Monday 04 June 2007 15:23:54 Roger Leigh wrote: > Sorry, but I fail to see the connection between busybox and sqlite. > If enabled, sqlite would be part of dpkg, probably either statically > linked or dynamically loaded.  I would think static, for safety. Doesn't Busybox include an implementati

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 10:29:07PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 21:29 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > > > Again, this doesn't take into account existing symbols that change their > > > ABI across versions. I won't insist too much, as I have already > > > explained at

Bug#427558: ITP: fenix0.92 -- development environment for making 2D games

2007-06-04 Thread Miriam Ruiz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: fenix0.92 Version : 0.92a Upstream Author : Fenix Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://fenix.divsite.net/ * URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/fenix * License

Re: Why not move Apt to a relational database

2007-06-04 Thread Roger Leigh
Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:50:24 +0100 > Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > No, that's why it is used in some embedded systems. Even so, it has >> > no place in the rootfs for an embedded system, IMHO. I'd rather not >> > have to repackage apt to

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Mon, 2007-06-04 at 21:33 +0200, Izak Burger wrote: [...] > But no-one said english was logic :-) What with unkempt (no such word > as kempt though) I didn't think there was, but http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/kempt?view=uk disagrees ;) Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: License discussions in Debian (was: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta)

2007-06-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 23:08 +0200, Frank Küster a écrit : > I think that Debian would very much benefit if there was a place (call > it [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever) where our policy with regard to > individual software's licenes could be discussed with the input of those > who actually set this

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Izak Burger
On 6/4/07, Darren Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You mean "dishevelled", unless you're using American English. I have the wrong dictionary installed in my mail client... we South Africans actually use british english rather than American english. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
Michael Welle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > "Miriam Ruiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Then, would simply "sturmbahn" be a suitable name for the package? > sorry, I forgot to mention that the name seems to sound much better > without the term 'fahrer'. Except that it totally leaves ou

License discussions in Debian (was: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta)

2007-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > See, given that as an ftpmaster I'm one of the folks who actually > implements the policy on what's accepted into main or not, it's not my > loss at all. I think that Debian would very much benefit if there was a place (call it [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whate

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 21:29 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > > Again, this doesn't take into account existing symbols that change their > > ABI across versions. I won't insist too much, as I have already > > explained at large how heavy a burden it puts on the maintainer's > > shoulders. > > I

Re: Is there a way to positively, uniquely identify which Debian release a program is running on?

2007-06-04 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 11:16:08PM +0200, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: > Think about Enterprise (non-free) software like Oracle, HP Openview, Tivoli, > Remedy... Do you expect vendors of this software to understand^Wimplement > package management based dependencies for *all* Linux distribu

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
> I did this 2 days ago and got an answer. To quote from his > mail: > > "Uh... I thought Sturmbahn was german for a > military training course, or stormbaan as we call it > in Holland. Turns out it is 'bann', and the word > does not exists in german. > I speak German, but probably not as good a

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Izak Burger may or may not have written... [snip] > But no-one said english was logic :-) It isn't. It's not logical either. :-) > What with unkempt (no such word as kempt though) and disheveled (no such > word as sheveled) :-) You mean "dishevelled", unless you're using American

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Izak Burger
On 6/4/07, Adrian von Bidder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just some trivia since we're speaking about .ch ... it's Kampfbahn here. Never heard the combination with "Fahrer", though. (I'm doing military service, but not on troops where the Kampfbahn is our business) In Afrikaans (descendant of Dut

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 10:54 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > > Creating a first version of the symbols file is not difficult either. For > > the sake of example, here's how I did with the libc6 package. I included > > the etch package first so tha

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 21:13 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > We could create a .symbols-udeb however... we just need to scan the > udeb during build and put the resulting symbols file in the main library. > That wouldn't be too difficult to do. We can probably keep this as > extension for the f

Re: Touching a file in another package

2007-06-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 03 juin 2007 à 21:34 +0200, Bastian Blank a écrit : > You can provide a proper interface to show that the list needs to be > updated. A file in /var/lib/gnomevfs for example. In which case checking the timestamp of /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules would be enough. > It will trigger back

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 12:27 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > > 2/ dpkg-shlibdeps does follow executable -> library -> package -> > > /var/lib/dpkg/info/.{shlibs,symbols} to find out the > > dependencies. However with udebs the step "library -> pack

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Monday 04 June 2007 14.20:46 Frank Küster wrote: > Michael Welle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The german term 'Sturmbahn' as in 'Sturmbahnfahrer' describes a trail > > were you have to vanquish some barriers to train your physical > > fitness. [...] > [1] and I'm german, not swiss as my sig

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 10:54 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > Creating a first version of the symbols file is not difficult either. For > the sake of example, here's how I did with the libc6 package. I included > the etch package first so that I have history of symbols starting from > etch. >

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 12:27 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > 2/ dpkg-shlibdeps does follow executable -> library -> package -> > /var/lib/dpkg/info/.{shlibs,symbols} to find out the > dependencies. However with udebs the step "library -> package" can't be > done with "dpkg --search" (it's curre

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 04 juin 2007 à 11:25 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Mike Hommey wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 10:54:30AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Library maintainers who want to avoid any mistakes can use the "-c" option > > > (for compare)

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:01:24 +1000 Anthony Towns wrote: [...] > What I care about is having a reasonable, widely understood definition > of free software that meshes with the rest of the free software and > open source community, that Debian can use to work out what software > we'll distribute in m

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:53:11 +1000 Anthony Towns wrote: [...] > To expand on that a bit more: IMHO, Debian is fundamentally about what > its contributors want -- we're focussed on doing right by our users > and the free software community, but ultimately, as far as Debian's > concerned, the first a

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Michael Poole
Anthony Towns writes: > Uh, dude, "IANAL" is a way of indicating that you may not actually have > a clue what you're talking about because it's all just amateur opinions. > Once upon a time -legal used to be littered with it; now days the concept > that regular posters to -legal might be mistaken

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:30:36 +1000 Anthony Towns wrote: [...] > And I mean, I know what a GR is for, why are you telling me? It's > still not a *good solution* for deciding these things; it's a last > resort, and the only other options we currently have a "ftpmaster > decides" and "it's obvious to

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-06-03 14:18]: > Le Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 02:30:43AM +0200, Miriam Ruiz a écrit : > > Package: wnpp > > * Package name: sturmbahnfahrer > > I have very bad feelings when I read the name of this game. It is a very > bad taste play on the word "sturmb

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Monday 04 June 2007 10:38, Miriam Ruiz wrote: > I can't believe that... gothic fonts are forbidden in Germany by law!!!??? They were merely deprecated, but not forbidden, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiqua-Fraktur_dispute - the german version of that page gives a bit more info. No

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 08:27:13AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > The troll checklist: Heh. Free advice: the best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them. > Anthony Towns writes: > > The debian-legal checklist: > > On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 11:28:22AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > > Posted by a no

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 02:52:00PM +0200, Miriam Ruiz a écrit : > >Then, would simply "sturmbahn" be a suitable name for the package? >Greetings, >Miry Dear Miriam, I think that the opinions expressed on -devel (I feel a bit sorry for the traffic) are diverse and redundant enough to

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Sune Vuorela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 2007-06-04, Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --=_Part_840_15471732.1180961520043 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Content-Disposition: inline > > > > Then, would

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Michael Welle
Hi, "Miriam Ruiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Then, would simply "sturmbahn" be a suitable name for the package? sorry, I forgot to mention that the name seems to sound much better without the term 'fahrer'. Michael -- biff4emacsen - A biff-like tool for (X)Emacs http://www.c0t0d0s0.de/biff

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 04:20:16PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 12:49 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > > ... > > > This is only my (ill-informed) opinion - I am neither a German, nor a > > > German lawyer :) > > > >

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Michael Welle
Hi Miriam, "Miriam Ruiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Then, would simply "sturmbahn" be a suitable name for the package? is this an yes/no question? I for myself with decent knowledge of german language and history have no big issues with the name. But I understand that some people have bad feel

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2007-06-04, Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --=_Part_840_15471732.1180961520043 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > > Then, would simply "sturmbahn" be a suitable name for the pac

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Michael Welle
Hi Frank, Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Michael Welle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The german term 'Sturmbahn' as in 'Sturmbahnfahrer' describes a trail >> were you have to vanquish some barriers to train your physical >> fitness. This is often used in military lingo. But I also k

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Miriam Ruiz
Then, would simply "sturmbahn" be a suitable name for the package? Greetings, Miry 2007/6/4, Michael Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 02:20:46PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > Michael Welle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The german term 'Sturmbahn' as in 'Sturmbahnfahrer' desc

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Michael Koch
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 02:20:46PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > Michael Welle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The german term 'Sturmbahn' as in 'Sturmbahnfahrer' describes a trail > > were you have to vanquish some barriers to train your physical > > fitness. This is often used in military lingo.

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 04 June 2007 14:20, Frank Küster wrote: > Michael Welle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The german term 'Sturmbahn' as in 'Sturmbahnfahrer' describes a trail > > were you have to vanquish some barriers to train your physical > > fitness. This is often used in military lingo. But I also kno

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Michael Poole
The troll checklist: Anthony Towns writes: > The debian-legal checklist: > > On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 11:28:22AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > > Posted by a non-DD, non-maintainer and non-applicant: Check. Ad hominem attack: Check. (For what it's worth, I am an upstream maintainer of one package

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
Michael Welle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The german term 'Sturmbahn' as in 'Sturmbahnfahrer' describes a trail > were you have to vanquish some barriers to train your physical > fitness. This is often used in military lingo. But I also know it from > places, where you can train your dog. Do yo

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The debian-legal checklist: [...] > In the example Don presented, of the Debian star maintainer removing > some output from the Debian star package, that the star upstream claims > constitutes a "copyright notice", then there are the following options: [

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Loïc Minier wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > While I agree on the burden, I don't think it's wise to rely on other > > tools to merge multiple informations in a single file which would then be > > given to dpkg-gensymbols. > > Hmm, how is this differe

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you're going to ignore the court case, it doesn't matter to you, > but if you ever plan on travelling to germany or doing business with > people in germany (or live in some part of germany that isn't close > enough to berlin to defend yourself there) i

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 04:07:30AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > What I care about is having a reasonable, widely understood definition > > of free software that meshes with the rest of the free software and open > > source community, that Debian can use to work out what software we'll > > distr

Re: libpkg / libupt / libept gets popcon support

2007-06-04 Thread Enrico Zini
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 09:57:55AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote: > BTW, xapian full text index of package descriptions is coming :) Committed now! \o/ Ciao, Enrico -- GPG key: 1024D/797EBFAB 2000-12-05 Enrico Zini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 08:01:24PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 02:42:24AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 06:49:54PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > If you're claiming "you don't get to exercise your right to argue > > > about jurisdiction" is eq

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 07:30:36PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > Obviously (I hope), I don't consider you to be inexperienced in free > software development, [...] To expand on that a bit more: IMHO, Debian is fundamentally about what its contributors want -- we're focussed on doing right by our u

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > While I agree on the burden, I don't think it's wise to rely on other > tools to merge multiple informations in a single file which would then be > given to dpkg-gensymbols. Hmm, how is this different from the way *.shlibs files are handled currentl

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Loïc Minier wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > Library maintainers are supposed to maintain the *.symbols file. For > > this, they have to create files "debian/.symbols." > > (dpkg-gensymbols will try too fallback to "debian/symbols.", > > "debian/.symbo

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 01:13:44AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > It is a freedom that I have by default; if I accept the CDDL I no longer > have that freedom[1]. [...] > [1] Technically, not the right to "choose a venue", but the right to not be > sued in a venue where I have no legal presence.

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 02:42:24AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 06:49:54PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > If you're claiming "you don't get to exercise your right to argue > > about jurisdiction" is equivalent to "you must pet a cat", then, IMO, > > you need to argue the

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Library maintainers are supposed to maintain the *.symbols file. For > this, they have to create files "debian/.symbols." > (dpkg-gensymbols will try too fallback to "debian/symbols.", > "debian/.symbols" and "debian/symbols"). They are > required to

Re: Chao ban ve may bay

2007-06-04 Thread cuong
Cho minh hoi ve may bay tu Ha Noi di Narita Japan vao toi thu 6 tuan sau co gia bao nhieu, lieu co the dat ve tu bay gio ko? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 06:49:54PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > If you're claiming "you don't get to exercise your right to argue > about jurisdiction" is equivalent to "you must pet a cat", then, IMO, > you need to argue the same thing about "you don't get to exercise your > patent rights". You'

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:25:41AM -0700, Walter Landry wrote: Non-developer, non-maintainer, non-applicant: Check. > Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For a choice of venue clause though, it only stops some people from > > being willing to participate; just as potentially giving up pa

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 11:14:16AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > But even so, when you say things like "I'm personally more concerned > > about licensing than the average developer" and "I [...] expect > > people who disagree with my analysis to actually engage the analysis > > with counter argum

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
The debian-legal checklist: On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 11:28:22AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: Posted by a non-DD, non-maintainer and non-applicant: Check. > Anthony Towns writes: > > [...] And as far as the actual effects go, > > I'm not sure you're going to be any better off without that clause in

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 10:54:30AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Library maintainers who want to avoid any mistakes can use the "-c" option > > (for compare) which will make the compilation fail if the generated > > symbols file d

Re: Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 10:54:30AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Library maintainers who want to avoid any mistakes can use the "-c" option > (for compare) which will make the compilation fail if the generated > symbols file differ from the maintainer supplied file. In that c

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Michael Welle
Hi Miriam, "Miriam Ruiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 2007/6/4, Alexander Reelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> Hi >> >> > On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 12:49 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: >> >> I'm not really picky about names and would be quite relaxed if the >> >> official >> >> homepage http://www.sturmb

Re: Is there a way to positively, uniquely identify which Debian release a program is running on?

2007-06-04 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 05:28:24PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Frankly, helping vendors of non-free software lies far below the > ability to provide our users the option to do partial upgrades, > apt-pinning, etc. How does /etc/debian_version of lsb_release hinder that? I'm not sug

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
"Miriam Ruiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Apart from that gothic fonts were forbidden by law in 1941 and replaced by >> latin type of lettering. So the feeling is really nothing more than a >> feeling in this case. > I can't believe that... gothic fonts are forbidden in Germany by law!!!??? No.

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Frank Küster
"Miriam Ruiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2007/6/4, Alexander Reelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi > > > On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 12:49 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > >> I'm not really picky about names and would be quite relaxed if the > >> official > >> homepage http://www.st

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Steffen Moeller
On Monday 04 June 2007 10:38:45 Miriam Ruiz wrote: > 2007/6/4, Alexander Reelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi > > > > > On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 12:49 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > >> I'm not really picky about names and would be quite relaxed if the > > >> official > > >> homepage http://www.sturmba

Dependencies on shared libs, take 2

2007-06-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
[Bcc on [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that discussion happens on -devel] Hello, I've gone forward with the plan that I exposed in http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/ImprovedDpkgShlibdeps Please grab the code with: $ bzr get http://bzr.debian.org/private/hertzog/shlibdeps/ The repository contains two scrip

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Steffen Moeller
On Monday 04 June 2007 01:20:16 Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 12:49 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > ... > > > This is only my (ill-informed) opinion - I am neither a German, nor a > > > German lawyer :) > > > > I'm not really p

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2007/6/4, Alexander Reelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi > On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 12:49 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: >> I'm not really picky about names and would be quite relaxed if the >> official >> homepage http://www.sturmbahnfahrer.com/ would not support the suspicion >> by using a font that at

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > Don Armstrong wrote: > > On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > > > If I'm in the Netherlands and distribute > > > CDDL software to a Belgian citizen while violating the CDDL, the > > > copyright holder has to come to the Netherlands, choice-

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Don Armstrong wrote: > On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > > If I'm in the Netherlands and distribute > > CDDL software to a Belgian citizen while violating the CDDL, the > > copyright holder has to come to the Netherlands, choice-of-venue > > (mostly) notwithstanding. > > From the sum

Re: What happened to popcon graphs?

2007-06-04 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-06-04 09:22]: > On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 01:39:11 -0300 > > On 5/31/07, Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where should this bug be reported - against the > popularity-contest package or against qa somewhere? Please file against qa since the popcon pack

Re: start-stop-daemon for user processes

2007-06-04 Thread Warren Turkal
On Sunday 03 June 2007 15:11:36 Vincent Danjean wrote: > To be run by a user, you can look at launchtool (in the package with > the same name). > Description: Runs a command supervising its execution >   Runs a user-supplied command supervising its execution in >   many ways: > [...] This looks li

Re: Why not move Apt to a relational database

2007-06-04 Thread Warren Turkal
On Monday 04 June 2007 01:34:01 Neil Williams wrote: > That could actually be quite difficult - how would you migrate from one > to the other? Have the raw files and the sqlite cache on the mirrors. Give the local program the option to use either. Then you could use the raw files if the sqlite c

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 01:40:17AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > You're *not* giving up the right not to distribute any source, because > > you can always refrain from distributing the corresponding binaries and > > have no obligation to provide source. > > You're *not* giving up the right to

Re: Why not move Apt to a relational database

2007-06-04 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:50:24 +0100 Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No, that's why it is used in some embedded systems. Even so, it has > > no place in the rootfs for an embedded system, IMHO. I'd rather not > > have to repackage apt to remove this change. > > Why would it need to be on

Re: Bug#427297: ITP: sturmbahnfahrer -- simulated obstacle course for automobiles

2007-06-04 Thread Alexander Reelsen
Hi > On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 12:49 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: >> I'm not really picky about names and would be quite relaxed if the >> official >> homepage http://www.sturmbahnfahrer.com/ would not support the suspicion >> by using a font that at least supports the ill feeling. So even if I >> don

Re: start-stop-daemon for user processes

2007-06-04 Thread Gerrit Pape
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 10:56:37PM -0600, Warren Turkal wrote: > On Saturday 02 June 2007 21:45, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Take a look at runit. ?It's quite a bit like daemontools without the weird > > licensing. > > Runit doesn't appear to be useful for non-system tasks, like starting jackd > and

Re: Improving dependencies on shared libraries

2007-06-04 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 01:30:39PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 12:37:08PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 11:02:37PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > > Right, I read your

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Thomas Weber
Am Montag, 4. Juni 2007 08:51:56 schrieb Arnoud Engelfriet: Thanks for finding an english text. > Just see EC Regulation 44/2001: > "A judgment given in a Member State is to be recognised automatically, no > special proceedings being necessary unless recognition is actually > contested. A declara

Re: Why not move Apt to a relational database

2007-06-04 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 22:45:52 +0200 sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 03 June 2007 21:30:26 Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Even if SQLite is more robust than Berkeley DB, I don't think you > > could recover anything from a corrupt database. Plain text will > > always turn out better in

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Walter Landry
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 12:28:04AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > On Sun, 03 Jun 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > You're required to give up something you might value and otherwise > > > demand compensation for, certainly, but there needs to be something

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > If I'm in the Netherlands and distribute > CDDL software to a Belgian citizen while violating the CDDL, the > copyright holder has to come to the Netherlands, choice-of-venue > (mostly) notwithstanding. From the summary: If the parties, one or mo

Re: What happened to popcon graphs?

2007-06-04 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 01:39:11 -0300 "Martín Ferrari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/31/07, Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > Anyone knows why the popcon graphs on: > > http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package= are > > missing? > > This seems to explain the problem: > Fatal error:

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Thomas Weber wrote: > No idea how it is called in Belgium, but it's the German part of a treaty > from > 1958 dealing precisely with that sort of thing. So, it seems extremely likely > that if I win in Germany in a civil case, I can have this decision executed > in Belgium. Additionally, you mi

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: > I am not a specialist, but in France, private use of a work cannot be > denied (as well as private copy, in some measure). Whether this applies > only to countries following "author rights" doctrine instead of > "copyrights", I let it to someone more knowledgeable in