The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
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last week.
Total number of orphaned packages: 385 (new: 3)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 79 (new: 1)
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On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 06:19:37PM +, Oleg Verych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 02-08-2007, Mike Hommey:
> > On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 10:01:22AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL
> > PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> PS: I'm very fond of the apache (to be removed) Recommends. really.
> >> especially
Hi !
I need some advice on bug #435671. I agree with the bug reporter that
the user handling part of xrdp should be rewritten. I have looked at
what is done in other packages and in most of them gentent is used to
check the user existence but there is no check that this is really a
s
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Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 12:53:03PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
>>> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh dixit:
There is just too much crap out there that thinks /bin/sh i
Oleg Verych dixit:
>02-08-2007, Peter Samuelson:
>> unset foo
>> [ -n $foo ] && echo foo is non-empty
>> [[ -n $foo ]] && echo foo is non-empty
>>
>> As you can see, only the second one works.
True, that's why the Korn shell invented [[.
>Not quoting possible empty argument is a script wr
Thanks for keeping me in the Cc ☺ (but I guess I earned that from a PR)
Marco d'Itri dixit:
>Bad idea
Give the user the tools to shoot himself into the foot. Besides, dash
is already using the debconf dance, so why discriminate other shells
that are fine to do it according to policy?
>bash (the
[Oleg Verych]
> Not quoting possible empty argument is a script writing bug.
Not when you use [[. This is exactly how [[ is supposed to work; it is
explicitly defined to be shell syntax, as opposed to a builtin command,
so it is allowed to "cheat" with argument quoting. If you don't like
that,
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 10:20:42AM +0200, Loïc Minier wrote:
> The only alternative I can think of is to propose the installation of
> the video driver when the hardware is detected; that's way harder to
> implement though.
Working on it...
- David Nusinow
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On Fri, 03 Aug 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 02 août 2007 à 13:29 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit :
> > d) possibly stores the coredump somewhere for future
> >reference/debugging.
>
> Not without prompting. For reference, an epiphany coredump is between
> 200 and 300 MB.
I'd envision
Le jeudi 02 août 2007 à 13:29 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit :
> 1) Segv handler saves the coredump if the user says to (or coredumps
>are on)
>
> 2) bug-buddy or debreaper (or whatever)
>a) prompts to install appropriate -dbg packages if they're not
> already available;
>b) backt
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 15:51:50 +0200, Magnus Holmgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Thursday 02 August 2007 12:01, Julien BLACHE wrote:
>> I'd use aptitude if I wanted Recommends installed by default. I'm
>> using apt-get precisely because it's not doing this kind of stupid
>> things.
> I use apti
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 06:35:40PM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote:
> Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> > Joey Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Shouldn't we then remove recommends entirely and turn them into
> > > regular Depends?
> >
> > The sometime 'soft dependencies' called feature of Recommen
On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 07:46:44AM +1000, Brendon Costa wrote:
> I have a software project that I plan on creating Debian packages for
> which is quite different from many other packages in that it also
> installs patched versions of GCC and Doxygen (That must not conflict
> with existing install
Hi all,
I was directed here from debian-mentors with my question.
--- Original Post ---
I have a software project that I plan on creating Debian packages for
which is quite different from many other packages in that it also
installs patched versions of GCC and Doxygen (That must not conflict
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 01:35:56PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > This is not a question of removing choice. This change in apt is the
> > only thing that *gives* you a choice of installing recommends via apt.
> > That the solution for disabling this
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 07:28:27PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Aug 01, Michael Vogt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > We, the APT Development Team, will change apt to install recommended
> > packages by default on October 1st. This should give enough time to
> Why? What is the point?
The chang
Jorge Salamero Sanz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thursday 02 August 2007 21:06:10 Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Simon Josefsson helps maintain Debian packges for several of his other
>> packages (gss, shishi) and may be willing to help. He's also generally
>> great about staying in touch with the De
On Thu, 02 Aug 2007, Loïc Minier wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > If they don't enable core dumps in the default config, the backtraces
> > aren't going to be terribly useful (or may not even exist), right?
> > Then the -dbg packages aren't going to help much either.
>
> Do
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Joey Hess wrote:
> Pushing all this work back to shortly before the next stable release is
> not a good thing.
That's a good rationale; I had mixed feelings when I saw this change,
but now I feel it's better to try to have a constant target all over
the release cycle; this
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Don Armstrong wrote:
> If they don't enable core dumps in the default config, the backtraces
> aren't going to be terribly useful (or may not even exist), right?
> Then the -dbg packages aren't going to help much either.
Do you suggest that running gdb on a core dumps makes
On Thursday 02 August 2007 21:06:10 Russ Allbery wrote:
> Simon Josefsson helps maintain Debian packges for several of his other
> packages (gss, shishi) and may be willing to help. He's also generally
> great about staying in touch with the Debian maintainers of his packages
> and might know more
Jorge Salamero Sanz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> the gsasl, libgsasl7 and libgsasl7-dev packages have not seen an upload
> since 2006-03-16 [0].
> there have been, however, several new upstream versions available which
> have been reported in the BTS [1].
> this issue was raised again in -devel
Hi,
* Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-08-02 19:15]:
> Nico Golde wrote:
> > dvisvga: Tag: interface::svga, role::program, scope::utility,
> > use::viewing, works-with::text, works-with-format::dvi
> > luxman:Tag: game::arcade, interface::svga, interface::x11,
> > role::program,
>> unset foo
>> [ -n $foo ] && echo foo is non-empty
>> [[ -n $foo ]] && echo foo is non-empty
>>
>> As you can see, only the second one works.
[]
> BTW, i've provided patch in the BTS for dash's test built-in to have
> arithmetic checking of an empty argument and zero right. This was nearly
02-08-2007, Mike Hommey:
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 10:01:22AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> PS: I'm very fond of the apache (to be removed) Recommends. really.
>> especially on a notebook, it helps understanding how broken the
>> recommends chain is right now
02-08-2007, LoОc Minier:
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
>> *WTF* ? I mean why should I have every possible xserver video driver
>
> You also have all possible kernel drivers built by the kernel image
> installed; that's quite consistent with "any hardware you plugin will
> work
Loïc Minier wrote:
> I'm disturbed by this too, but -- as I clarified on IRC -- I think
> there's a conflict of interests between getting more meaningful
> backtraces in average (and hence improving the quality of Debian before
> the release / saving ourself a message to bug submitters) and
>
On Thu, 02 Aug 2007, Loïc Minier wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > Is there any reason why this isn't handled by a
> > /usr/share/bug/gnome/script (or whatever is appropriate) which
> > tells the user to install the -dbg package if they aren't
> > currently installed so backtr
02-08-2007, Peter Samuelson:
>
> [Pierre Habouzit]
>> the 3 biggest problems I've seen are:
>>=20
>> * [[ for test, trivial: add it as a test alias, and also check for ]]
>> termination in the test.c builtin.
>
> Ummm, [[ is not the same as [. (If they were the same, there would
> have bee
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Don Armstrong wrote:
> Is there any reason why this isn't handled by a
> /usr/share/bug/gnome/script (or whatever is appropriate) which tells
> the user to install the -dbg package if they aren't currently
> installed so backtraces can be generated?
While this is an interest
Nico Golde wrote:
> dvisvga: Tag: interface::svga, role::program, scope::utility,
> use::viewing, works-with::text, works-with-format::dvi
> luxman:Tag: game::arcade, interface::svga, interface::x11,
> role::program, use::gameplaying, x11::application
> lxdoom-svga: Tag: game::arc
On 8/2/07, Julien BLACHE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Most (if not all) of the recent docs I've come to read mentionned
> >> aptitude rather than apt-get.
> >
> > I'm sorry but that's hardly the case. Google finds about 2 or 3 times more
> > referen
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On Thu, 02 Aug 2007, Joey Schulze wrote:
> Don't we lose it already on October 1st when apt-get installs all
> Recommends per default? It's ok for high-level tools like aptitude
> and Synaptic to behave that way, but I'm not exactly happy for
> apt-get to go that way.
The entire point of Recommend
Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> Joey Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Shouldn't we then remove recommends entirely and turn them into
> > regular Depends?
>
> The sometime 'soft dependencies' called feature of Recommends and
> Suggests is something which makes Debian unique compared to other
>
On Thu, 02 Aug 2007, Loïc Minier wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Hmm. I would argue that gnome shouldn't recommend gnome-dbg either,
> > according to policy.
>
> I'm disturbed by this too, but -- as I clarified on IRC -- I think
> there's a conflict of interests between
On Thu, 02 Aug 2007, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> Pierre Habouzit dixit:
>
> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dash/+bug/61463
>
> This is just clueless script writers and general whining; these
> issues could be fixed one by one. (Actually, even with current
> Debian policy, they're b
On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 16:12:20 +0200, Nico Golde wrote:
> When looking at the tags it doesn't look like the programs can't run
> in an X terminal. I tried worms from bsdgames, cadubi and pinball
> (randomly picked) and they all worked flawless in my aterm.
Programs using the framebuffer directly,
Hi,
* Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-08-02 16:58]:
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 04:12:20PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I recently stumbled upon the needs="vc" field for debian menu
> > files.
> >
> > The menu manual says the following about them:
> >
> > 3. `vc': if it ru
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 04:12:20PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote:
> Hi,
> I recently stumbled upon the needs="vc" field for debian menu
> files.
>
> The menu manual says the following about them:
>
> 3. `vc': if it runs under a linux virtual console but not under a X
> terminal emulat
Hi,
On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 11:04:14 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> So that it doesn't ask to install every driver each time. Actually the
> xorg server does that using:
>
> xserver-video-driver-all | xserver-video-driver-1.0 and each
> individual xserver-video-driver-foo provides the latter.
Hi,
I recently stumbled upon the needs="vc" field for debian menu
files.
The menu manual says the following about them:
3. `vc': if it runs under a linux virtual console but not under a X
terminal emulator.
Currently we have 27 _programs_ using this special field. I asked mysel
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On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 12:40:28PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Bill, you haven't participated in this discussion, what's your opinion?
> Would you like to do that work?
I stated my opinion an hundred time already, here a quick summary:
1) There is a place for two menu structure in Debian: an
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 08:07:05PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 04:12:02AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > So it seems like we should do the following:
> (...)
>
> 4. Add i18n support to menu so that it can generate localised menu names,
>entries and t
On Thursday 02 August 2007 12:01, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> I'd use aptitude if I wanted Recommends installed by default. I'm
> using apt-get precisely because it's not doing this kind of stupid
> things.
I use aptitude and I don't want Recommends to be installed by default. This is
not Windows. Her
Michael Tautschnig wrote:
> Please consider two things:
> - More than 90% of all processors are installed in embedded systems (of
> course,
> only on pretty few of them Debian is installed)
> - (Debian) Linux is still more widely spread on server systems than on
> Desktops
> ([1,2] sorry, bot
[Josselin Mouette]
> I guess the idea behind making dash the default /bin/sh is not only to
> increase speed but also, in the end, to downgrade bash's priority.
As the one proposing it as a release goal, I can confirm that this is
not the case. The only idea behind it for me is to increase speed
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 11:30:33PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
> Recommends: is easy with small packages, it becomes more difficult when
> each user does different things with the one package.
This is nothing more than an interface problem. For instance, I think
aptitude should make it more obviou
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> I'd use aptitude if I wanted Recommends installed by default. I'm
> using apt-get precisely because it's not doing this kind of stupid
> things.
Well, now you're going to use aptitude to not install recommends by
default!
alias aptitude='aptitude
On Aug 02, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I guess the idea behind making dash the default /bin/sh is not only to
> increase speed but also, in the end, to downgrade bash's priority.
I don't think so.
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ciao,
Marco
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> I use aptitude for my everyday work. On my desktop, I really appreciate
> pulling in Recommends. On cluster compute nodes, I don't. But I can turn
> it of easily without being "forced" to use apt-get just because I'm on a
> different type of machine. Compute nodes are what I'd call an "unus
Hello!
On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 11:38:06 +0200, Loïc Minier wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
>> xserver-video-driver-all | xserver-video-driver-1.0 and each
>> individual xserver-video-driver-foo provides the latter. So it
>> seems either --fix-policy --install-recommends does no
On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 14:22 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Any further hint?
As a workaround you could use "pbuilder login", manually pull in the
build deps and run debuild etc.
Perhaps a wishlist bug on pbuilder would be appropriate since keeping
the build dir would indeed be useful.
Ian.
--
I
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
my pbuilder conf is online: http://madism.org/~madcoder/dotfiles/
Well, thanks for this in general because I learned some more than
I hoped for in general.
don't forget to make the scripts +x...
I did so before. I even added a "touch /tmp/pbuild
Russ Allbery wrote:
> I think it's also particularly annoying for our two major recommended
> package installation interfaces, aptitude and apt-get, to do the opposite
> thing by default with this core of a feature. What a recipe for
> confusion for the average user who doesn't know the history an
hi,
the gsasl, libgsasl7 and libgsasl7-dev packages have not seen an upload since
2006-03-16 [0].
there have been, however, several new upstream versions available which have
been reported in the BTS [1].
this issue was raised again in -devel more than a month ago, ccing maintainer
and sponso
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 10:01:22AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> PS: I'm very fond of the apache (to be removed) Recommends. really.
> especially on a notebook, it helps understanding how broken the
> recommends chain is right now.
I don't know for your case, b
Pierre Habouzit dixit:
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dash/+bug/61463
This is just clueless script writers and general whining; these
issues could be fixed one by one. (Actually, even with current
Debian policy, they're bugs.)
> * [[ for test, trivial: add it as a test alias,
Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Now, from the Debian users I know around me, I can tell you that none
>> of them like aptitude, and they especially dislike the "install
>> recommends by default" so-called "feature".
>
> So what you're really battling against is enforcement of Recommends
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> the point is I installed the proper driver myself. The recommends line
> should be xserver-video-driver-all | every driver |...
And is it?
> xserver-video-driver-all | xserver-video-driver-1.0 and each
> individual xserver-video-driver-foo
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> Neil already contributes a lot of work to Debian. Whether you agree with him
> or not, such an assertion is uncalled for and does not add to the discussion.
I also witness that Neil (and you) did the best thing there is to do:
filing bugs about bog
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 10:17:03 +0200, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007, Julien BLACHE wrote:
>> Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > The problem is that apt-get is *not* an advanced user tool. End
>> > users use it because they see it referenced in all our
>>
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> Now, from the Debian users I know around me, I can tell you that none
> of them like aptitude, and they especially dislike the "install
> recommends by default" so-called "feature".
So what you're really battling against is enforcement of Recommends,
Joey Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Shouldn't we then remove recommends entirely and turn them into
> regular Depends?
The sometime 'soft dependencies' called feature of Recommends and
Suggests is something which makes Debian unique compared to other
distributions. It would be sad to loose
Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Please reread the complete thread quoted above before answering this
>> post.
>
> This is not a solution, this is way more than impractical:
*sigh* (why do I write those disclaimers at all?)
In the thread above, I have proposed having a site speci
Loïc Minier wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2007, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > > We, the APT Development Team, will change apt to install recommended
> > > packages by default on October 1st. This should give enough time to
> > Why? What is the point?
>
> Fix Recommends! These are nothing more than Suggests
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 10:24:41AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
>
> >>Sounds like what I'm looking for but I have problems to implement this
> >>hint. I tried pdebuild --hookdir $HOME/.pbuilder and also added
> >>HOOKDIR=/home/myhome/.pbuilder to my .pb
Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've read that but I didn't take it into account because people google for
> docs and they will find documentation recommending apt-get (they usually won't
> notice if the doc is recent or not). Furthermore, there's also the fact
> that on user forums t
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 10:20:42AM +0200, Loïc Minier wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > *WTF* ? I mean why should I have every possible xserver video driver
>
> You also have all possible kernel drivers built by the kernel image
> installed; that's quite consistent with
On Thu, 02 Aug 2007, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Most (if not all) of the recent docs I've come to read mentionned
> >> aptitude rather than apt-get.
> >
> > I'm sorry but that's hardly the case. Google finds about 2 or 3 times more
> > reference to "De
[Pierre Habouzit]
> the 3 biggest problems I've seen are:
>
> * [[ for test, trivial: add it as a test alias, and also check for ]]
> termination in the test.c builtin.
Ummm, [[ is not the same as [. (If they were the same, there would
have been no need to invent [[.) They behave quite
Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Most (if not all) of the recent docs I've come to read mentionned
>> aptitude rather than apt-get.
>
> I'm sorry but that's hardly the case. Google finds about 2 or 3 times more
> reference to "Debian apt-get" than to "Debian aptitude".
Way to not rea
On Wednesday 1 August 2007 20:45, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> Please stop whining and start contributing.
Neil already contributes a lot of work to Debian. Whether you agree with him
or not, such an assertion is uncalled for and does not add to the discussion.
Thijs
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On Thu, 02 Aug 2007, Loïc Minier wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Hmm. I would argue that gnome shouldn't recommend gnome-dbg either,
> > according to policy.
>
> I'm disturbed by this too, but -- as I clarified on IRC -- I think
> there's a conflict of interests between
On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Sounds like what I'm looking for but I have problems to implement this
hint. I tried pdebuild --hookdir $HOME/.pbuilder and also added
HOOKDIR=/home/myhome/.pbuilder to my .pbuilderrc but there is no visible
effect. Did I missed something?
it's use
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I guess the idea behind making dash the default /bin/sh is not only to
> increase speed but also, in the end, to downgrade bash's priority.
I think that's going to be practically impossible. Removing packages from
essential is a ton of work for what
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> *WTF* ? I mean why should I have every possible xserver video driver
You also have all possible kernel drivers built by the kernel image
installed; that's quite consistent with "any hardware you plugin will
work". The dep allows to pick one or m
On Thu, 02 Aug 2007, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The problem is that apt-get is *not* an advanced user tool. End users use
> > it because they see it referenced in all our documentation, all the
> > documentation they find elsewhere on the web and in our ma
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 02:19:41PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 06:00:21PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 12:53:03PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > > OTOH, specifically using something else than /bin/sh for a fast
> > > POSIX-with-t
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 09:45:35AM +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > apt-cache show openoffice.org-writer |grep Recom
> > Recommends: openoffice.org-filter-binfilter, gij | java-gcj-compat |
> > j2re1.4 | java2-runtime, openoffice.org-java-common (
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Hmm. I would argue that gnome shouldn't recommend gnome-dbg either,
> according to policy.
I'm disturbed by this too, but -- as I clarified on IRC -- I think
there's a conflict of interests between getting more meaningful
backtraces in average (and
Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem is that apt-get is *not* an advanced user tool. End users use
> it because they see it referenced in all our documentation, all the
> documentation they find elsewhere on the web and in our mailing list
> archives, all the conversations they h
Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The problem is that with packages like gnome-devel and gnome-core-devel
> (re: anjuta) >50% will require SOME of the Recommended packages. As a
> long term anjuta user, I would estimate that <5% of all users need ALL
> Recommended packages.
I've had exa
Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> And a script to implement that in every box I have to install. Again
> and Again and Again and
Puppet is > that way.
If you have several machines, you may want to to handle them centrally
anyway, and this is a good reason to start. You coul
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 09:44:04AM +0200, Loïc Minier wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Sorry, what do you mean to say here? Are you claiming that having debug
> > packages in Recommends: is somehow a "fix"? I'm quite sure that doesn't fit
> > the Policy definition of Recom
Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> apt-cache show openoffice.org-writer |grep Recom
> Recommends: openoffice.org-filter-binfilter, gij | java-gcj-compat | j2re1.4
> | java2-runtime, openoffice.org-java-common (>> 2.2.0-4)
>
> And really, I think this recommends like is perfectly corr
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Sorry, what do you mean to say here? Are you claiming that having debug
> packages in Recommends: is somehow a "fix"? I'm quite sure that doesn't fit
> the Policy definition of Recommends -- debugging applications is not at all
> relevant to the commo
[Bernd Zeimetz]
> Especially with -dev packages I can't see a reason to 'recommend'
> another package - either you need foo-dev to be able to use bar-dev,
> or not. Developers usually know which libraries they want to use.
I disagree - I think Recommends is appropriate for a -dev package which
on
Le mercredi 01 août 2007 à 14:18 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 10:49:57PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le mercredi 01 août 2007 à 22:22 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> > > There are embedded environments where 80KB is a concern.
>
> > I fail to see why you'd wa
[Lionel Elie Mamane]
> > Ok, now to the approved release goals:
> > - full IPv6 support
>
> What does that mean precisely? Drop all packages that don't support
> IPv6? IPv6 shall be enabled if supported not too buggily? Something
> in between? (I'm quite certain you don't mean drop all packages t
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 03:56:48PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> On 8/1/07, Reinhard Tartler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > (...)
> > > I tried the sample commands and apt wanted to add HALF A GIGABYTE of
> > > unnecessary stuff!!! Others may consider
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