Re: ITP: debian-backports-keyring -- GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository

2008-06-22 Thread Brian May
Luk Claes wrote: apt-get install debian-backports-keyring or gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 16BA136C gpg --export | apt-key add - This involves 3 separate commands, and modifies files under /root/.gnupg/ at the same time. Seems overly complicated, especially for non-tech

Re: ITP: debian-backports-keyring -- GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository

2008-06-22 Thread Brian May
Adam Majer wrote: Certainly, the backports.org keyring is useful to some people, *but* it is, 1. not free software Presumably the following packages would never have made it into Debian if a public key didn't comply with the DFSG. debian-archive-keyring - GnuPG archive keys of the Debian

Re: Policy question - deleting files belonging to another package

2008-06-22 Thread Leo "costela" Antunes
Mike Bird wrote: > It seems to me that it ought to be against policy to use a > maintainer script to delete files belonging to another > non-conflicting non-replacing package, but I haven't found > such a policy. > > Does anyone have the answer so I can give it to reportbug? If I understood your

Re: Policy question - deleting files belonging to another package

2008-06-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
su, 2008-06-22 kello 16:07 -0700, Mike Bird kirjoitti: > It seems to me that it ought to be against policy to use a > maintainer script to delete files belonging to another > non-conflicting non-replacing package, but I haven't found > such a policy. > > Does anyone have the answer so I can give i

Re: ITP: debian-backports-keyring -- GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository

2008-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Patrick Schoenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi Neil, > > On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 09:54:43PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: >> > Do you mean from a central repository, somewhat like a keyserver? :-) >> > How would one check integrity then? >> >> Precisely as you do with any key - signatures and

Policy question - deleting files belonging to another package

2008-06-22 Thread Mike Bird
It seems to me that it ought to be against policy to use a maintainer script to delete files belonging to another non-conflicting non-replacing package, but I haven't found such a policy. Does anyone have the answer so I can give it to reportbug? TIA, --Mike Bird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [

Re: RFC: Idea for improved diversions and alternatives handling

2008-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> FIXME: what if a line changes? Only allow certain changes? > > ... that's a rather large FIXME. Without fixing this, such an > implementation of declarative diversions would be pointless churn. > > You should perhaps discuss this with Ian Jackson, the

Re: Re: ITP: hatools -- The halockrun program provides a simple way to implement locking in shell scripts.

2008-06-22 Thread Igshaan Mesias
Hi > | On Jun 18, Igshaan Mesias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > | > Description : The halockrun program provides a simple way to > | > implement locking in shell scripts. > | > | What does this offer over lockfile (procmail package) or dotlockfile > | (liblockfile1 package)? Aren't those

Bug#487593: ITP: cil -- command line issue tracker

2008-06-22 Thread Francois Marier
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Francois Marier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: cil Version : 0.2.0 Upstream Author : Andy Chilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.kapiti.geek.nz/software/cil.html * License : GPL Programming Lang: Perl Desc

[rt.debian.org #658] Re: NewInEtch / NewInLenny

2008-06-22 Thread Franklin PIAT
Hello, On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 18:55 +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > There used to be http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch but it's gone > without a trace, and I can't figure out how to ask moin to tell me > where it went. Does anyone know? I have rebuilt the page, based on : http://web.archive.org/web

RE: unifont - consensus on dependencies

2008-06-22 Thread unifoundry
Drake, Okay, I'll plan on "ttf-unifont", "xfonts-unifont", and "unifont" package names. The "xfonts-unifont" package will contain a PCF font, but not a BDF font (since BDF fonts now seem forbidden according to the latest Policy Manual). The source package won't contain a pre-built TrueType font

Re: ITP: debian-backports-keyring -- GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository

2008-06-22 Thread Robert Millan
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 10:34:15PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > Robert Millan wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 03:52:12PM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote: > >> I'm still not that sure if its a good idea to add a non-offical debian repo > >> keyring into the archive... But I let the decision to the ftp-m

Re: ITP: debian-backports-keyring -- GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository

2008-06-22 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi Neil, On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 09:54:43PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > > Do you mean from a central repository, somewhat like a keyserver? :-) > > How would one check integrity then? > > Precisely as you do with any key - signatures and gpg integrity checks > when the key is imported into apt-

Re: ITP: debian-backports-keyring -- GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository

2008-06-22 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 22:39 +0200, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 09:37:46PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > PS: I would prefer if apt-get could fetch and verify keyring updates > > directly from a repository though. Keyring packages are awfull for key > > rollovers. >

Re: ITP: debian-backports-keyring -- GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository

2008-06-22 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 09:37:46PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > PS: I would prefer if apt-get could fetch and verify keyring updates > directly from a repository though. Keyring packages are awfull for key > rollovers. Do you mean from a central repository, somewhat like a keyserver? :-) H

Re: ITP: debian-backports-keyring -- GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository

2008-06-22 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 01:08:30PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: > Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > > In my humble opinion they should be allowed to be packaged as if they > > are normal packages. Don't get me wrong, but Debian is a distribution, > > so what we basically do is pack up things that are wo

Re: ITP: debian-backports-keyring -- GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository

2008-06-22 Thread Luk Claes
Robert Millan wrote: > On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 03:52:12PM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote: >> I'm still not that sure if its a good idea to add a non-offical debian repo >> keyring into the archive... But I let the decision to the ftp-masters.. > > Well, currently a problem is the only way to get a tr

Re: ITP: debian-backports-keyring -- GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository

2008-06-22 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:54:09 -0600 Wesley J. Landaker wrote: [...] > Actually, how are debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring free-software, > anyway? Do I get source code for the all GPG keys they contain? The most widely accepted definition of source code is the one found in the GNU GPL: th

Re: unifont - consensus on dependencies

2008-06-22 Thread Drake Wilson
Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 2008-06-22 12:04:53 -0700: > Is it best to add "Build-Depends: xfonts-utils" even if all a package > needs from xfont-utils is bdftopcf? If you need bdftopcf to build, and bdftopcf is in xfonts-utils, I don't see another way to do it than Build-Depending on xfonts-utils

Re: ITP: debian-backports-keyring -- GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository

2008-06-22 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 21:37 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > PS: I would prefer if apt-get could fetch and verify keyring updates > directly from a repository though. Keyring packages are awfull for key > rollovers. As maintainer of the emdebian-archive-keyring package and one of the signatori

Re: ITP: debian-backports-keyring -- GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository

2008-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If backports.org keyring get distributed, then I would argue it allows > others, non-software data to be packaged as well. For example, some free > anime movies, or the Gutenberg project packages. > > Debian is for *free software* (and some non-free) and st

Re: Arch-dependent Depends

2008-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam C Powell IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 18:31 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Adam C Powell IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > Because hypre upstream doesn't make static libs, and I got tired of >> > making a new patch with every release, libhypre-dev is arc

Re: RFC: Idea for improved diversions and alternatives handling

2008-06-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 07:05:29PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > working on dpkg reminded me that I wanted to propose a better > diversion and alternatives handling for debian packages. Currently > they have to be manually added and removed in the maintainer > scripts. This method is prone

RE: unifont - consensus on dependencies

2008-06-22 Thread unifoundry
Drake, I didn't specify...yes, all of these dependencies are only for Build-Depends. Is it best to add "Build-Depends: xfonts-utils" even if all a package needs from xfont-utils is bdftopcf? I am aware of the /usr/share/fonts/truetype directory. I've been running Sarge, and it is there. Howeve

Re: ITP: debian-backports-keyring -- GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository

2008-06-22 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Sunday 22 June 2008 12:08:30 Adam Majer wrote: > AFAIK, we do not distribute "things", we distribute *software*. Some > packages are just composed of data though, but other packages depend on > it. Some is just data that is very useful in the *Debian* project. This > includes the keyring. > > Ce

Re: ITP: debian-backports-keyring -- GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository

2008-06-22 Thread Adam Majer
Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > In my humble opinion they should be allowed to be packaged as if they > are normal packages. Don't get me wrong, but Debian is a distribution, > so what we basically do is pack up things that are worth distributing > and distribute them. This way Debian users can benefit

Re: unifont - consensus on dependencies

2008-06-22 Thread Steve Greenland
On 22-Jun-08, 12:02 (CDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The updated package will have some new dependencies, and the Debian > Policy Manual says that any package dependencies should be agreed upon > by consensus on the debian-devel list before uploading .deb files. No, it says that any "Pre-Depend

Re: Arch-dependent Depends

2008-06-22 Thread Adam C Powell IV
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 18:31 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Adam C Powell IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Because hypre upstream doesn't make static libs, and I got tired of > > making a new patch with every release, libhypre-dev is arch all without > > static libs. However, it needs to

Re: unifont - consensus on dependencies

2008-06-22 Thread Drake Wilson
Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 2008-06-22 10:02:15 -0700: > If I must convert that to PCF it will add a dependency (on bdftopcf) > that doesn't exist today. Must I never install the BDF font, but > add a dependency for bdftopcf and only install a gzipped PCF > version? Are you confusing Depends and

unifont - consensus on dependencies

2008-06-22 Thread unifoundry
The Debian unifont package was orphaned in 2006, so I posted an Intent to Adopt it about a month ago. Before submitting the Debian package, I wanted to have complete Unicode 5.1 BMP coverage complete because I was so close to that goal. Now it is done and I can proceed with the package. Anthony

RFC: Idea for improved diversions and alternatives handling

2008-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hi, working on dpkg reminded me that I wanted to propose a better diversion and alternatives handling for debian packages. Currently they have to be manually added and removed in the maintainer scripts. This method is prone to errors and can easily leave diversions or alternatives behind. Instead

Re: Arch-dependent Depends

2008-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam C Powell IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Because hypre upstream doesn't make static libs, and I got tired of > making a new patch with every release, libhypre-dev is arch all without > static libs. However, it needs to depend on openmpi on some arches, and > lam4-dev on others. Using the s

Re: Considerations for lilo removal

2008-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:31:49AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am wondering if it is a good idea to remove lilo entirely. At the >> moment, lilo has been pulled from testing, and the code is in a shape >> where a grave bug (bug #47960

Re: Considerations for lilo removal

2008-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:03:10AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> I don't really see this as a bug, certainly not as grave. The problem >> seems to be that lilo simply can't handle large images and the default >> ramdisk just has now hit that limi

Re: ITP: debian-backports-keyring -- GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository

2008-06-22 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 01:38:07PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > But backports.org is still unofficial. so what? Its unofficial, but still its of great use for the most Debian users. > If it were permitted, then what > would happen when other unofficial repository maintainers want to >

inotify and symlinks in /etc/udev/rules.d/

2008-06-22 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
I was approached by the maintainer of libmtp in Ubuntu regarding a fix for LP#197968 [1]. The bug reporter cites the file /etc/udev/rules.d/README (which does not exist in Debian), that says: The udev daemon watches this directory with inotify so that changes to these files are automatica

Re: RFC: ODBC, local changes to config files, and policy

2008-06-22 Thread Frank Küster
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > However, this has never been enabled by default because the odbcinst > interface is very basic, with the result that on every upgrade any local > modifications to the config for this driver would be lost. The debconf > question is also not sho

Re: ITP: debian-backports-keyring -- GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository

2008-06-22 Thread Frank Küster
"Wesley J. Landaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 21 June 2008 11:38:07 Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 07:34:59PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > On Saturday 21 June 2008 15:52, Alexander Wirt wrote: >> > > I'm still not that sure if its a good idea

Re: 37.5% boot time reduction in Lenny is possible (recipe)

2008-06-22 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 05:52:19PM +0200, Ulrik Haugen wrote: > As you can see readahead actually increase the boot time for me in > both cases so I uninstalled that package. I get 28 seconds with or without readahead (Thinkpad R50e, P4 1.6GHz, 512 RAM). Regards, Andrei -- If you can't expla