On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:42:38 -0700, Russ Allbery
wrote:
>The problem that I have with this argument is that it seems to imply the
>situation is improved for that embedded system if some random minority of
>Debian packagers explicitly declare the dependency on bash, while most
>continue not to do s
Raphael Geissert writes:
> Russ Allbery wrote:
>> I think it's moderately unlikely that we're going to manage to keep dash
>> from being treated as essential even if we say that it's only essential
>> for the /bin/sh functionality.
> Based on [1], [2] and [3], there's no single package that ship
Russ Allbery wrote:
> I think it's moderately unlikely that we're going to manage to keep dash
> from being treated as essential even if we say that it's only essential
> for the /bin/sh functionality.
Based on [1], [2] and [3], there's no single package that ships a /bin/dash
script but doesn't
Hi folks.
IIRC, Jonas already put some of these issues up here some time ago.
I was recently investigating, and thanks to the help of many people
found out how deep the problems actually are.
Following a discussion at lkml
(http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1003210), I've decided that
it
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On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 02:40:37PM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:57:45 +, Vagrant Cascadian wrote:
>
> > sdm (0.4.1-2) unstable; urgency=low
> > .
> [...]
> >* No longer include dash as a dependency; it is included in essential.
> >* Add lintian overrides
David Kalnischkies scrisse:
> The biggest showstoppers are as far as i know that
> a) dpkg doesn't support it
> b) APT doesn't support it
> c) (not many) packages use it (last time i check ~24)
>
> c) is likely caused by a) and b) which in fact decreases the
> motivation for a) and b) to impleme
Marc Haber writes:
> "Bernhard R. Link" wrote:
>> Please, try to be a bit more fair. Having people not need to specify
>> dependencies is really not the solution that "dumps extra error
>> proneness and extra thoughtweight" on the developers.
> Imagine an embedded system that doesn't have bash
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 15:20:46 +0200, Josselin Mouette
wrote:
>Furthermore, I’d be interested to know how to fix such a “shortcoming”
>in our software. If both A and B depend on each other, A.postinst must
>be executed before B.postinst, and vice versa.
That's only one kind of circular dependency,
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:45:15 +0200, "Bernhard R. Link"
wrote:
>* Marc Haber [100626 14:07]:
>> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:27:31 -0700, Steve Langasek
>> >The footnote to Policy 3.5, where this is written out?
>>
>> Ah, so this is the same as the no-circular-dependency rule, dumping
>> extra error pr
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 01:14:43PM +0200, David Kalnischkies wrote:
> If you look closer, MultiArch was at least for squeeze on the goal list.
> I guess it is pretty unlikely that we will make it, but i think it was more
> on the list to get a bit of noise and some progress -
That's not why it wa
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On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 11:36:31 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> I think it's moderately unlikely that we're going to manage to keep dash
> from being treated as essential even if we say that it's only essential
> for the /bin/sh functionality.
>
I don't think it's that hard (but then I don't know o
Vagrant Cascadian writes:
> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 02:40:37PM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote:
>> My understanding was that dash was only in the Essential set as the
>> default provider of /bin/sh, and that /bin/dash was explicitly *not*
>> guaranteed to stay in Essential, and thus packages using th
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 02:40:37PM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:57:45 +, Vagrant Cascadian wrote:
>
> > sdm (0.4.1-2) unstable; urgency=low
> > .
> [...]
> >* No longer include dash as a dependency; it is included in essential.
> >* Add lintian overrides
* Marc Haber [100626 14:07]:
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:27:31 -0700, Steve Langasek
> >The footnote to Policy 3.5, where this is written out?
>
> Ah, so this is the same as the no-circular-dependency rule, dumping
> extra error proneness and extra thoughtweight on all developers
Please, try to be
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 02:40:37PM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:57:45 +, Vagrant Cascadian wrote:
>
> > sdm (0.4.1-2) unstable; urgency=low
> > .
> [...]
> >* No longer include dash as a dependency; it is included in essential.
> >* Add lintian overrides
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:57:45 +, Vagrant Cascadian wrote:
> sdm (0.4.1-2) unstable; urgency=low
> .
[...]
>* No longer include dash as a dependency; it is included in essential.
>* Add lintian overrides for missing-dep-for-interpreter dash, as dash
> is now essential.
My und
Le samedi 26 juin 2010 à 14:07 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit :
> >The footnote to Policy 3.5, where this is written out?
>
> Ah, so this is the same as the no-circular-dependency rule, dumping
> extra error proneness and extra thoughtweight on all developers to
> work around shortcomings in our softwa
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 14:07:40 +0200
Marc Haber wrote:
> Ah, so this is the same as the no-circular-dependency rule, dumping
> extra error proneness and extra thoughtweight on all developers to
> work around shortcomings in our software?
Patches to dpkg are welcome if you have a better (and
reliab
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:27:31 -0700, Steve Langasek
wrote:
>On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:20:33PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:58:58 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow
>> wrote:
>> >I think for that goal it would be good for lintian to add an exception
>> >to the (build-)depends-on-ess
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