On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 09:27:07PM -0800, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
(isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by
simply killing the debian menu)
And fvwm,
I was a fan of fvwm for years and I even have configured my xfce with
fvwm keycodes to have the same
Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 à 22:56 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
Lintian intentionally doesn't do this because the Debian maintainers of
the desktop systems in Debian didn't want lots of desktop entries for
applications without a GUI, which often currently have menu entries.
Surely they can
| echo resolv.conf options ndots:15
Thanks for the suggestion, but this does not seem to do what I want, I think?
Another Pointer
(http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=344310sid=6f3fef9df8b046ec568039de87c1175f).
so doing «getent hosts foo.bar» will only generate a query for
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We are planning a rather large set of changes in Ruby packaging for
Debian wheezy, and would appreciate some external feedback on our
proposals.
Our plans are described on
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Don't hesitate to ask for details if needed.
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On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 16:08 +, Philipp Kern wrote:
We don't like security by obscurity, as you might know.
Not shouting out loud that a service is available doesn't qualify as
“security by obscurity” for me.
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On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 23:01 +0100, Christoph Egger wrote:
Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
(isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by
simply killing the debian menu)
Last time I
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 12:45 +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
main security problem is resolver,
$host -v www.local
www.local
www.local.mydomain.com
see security issue in draft paper also in case
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns-08
resolver is more like the
On 2011-03-04, Manoj Srivastava sriva...@ieee.org wrote:
(isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by
simply killing the debian menu)
And fvwm,
According to the internets, there is a fvwm-xdg-menu python script that
is supposed to make the xdg/fdo menu in a
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 11:02:47AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
Hi,
Am Do den 3. Mär 2011 um 3:35 schrieb Chow Loong Jin:
A system has not to listen for any unused and unneeded services ever. A
firewall is to control services you _need_.
All that zeroconf stuff is absolutely not
On Mar 04, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote:
Our plans are described on
http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Ruby/RubyInWheezy
Don't hesitate to ask for details if needed.
Is this acceptable to the major Ruby developers or do they still hate
you and everybody else involved?
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On 04/03/11 at 10:58 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Mar 04, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote:
Our plans are described on
http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Ruby/RubyInWheezy
Don't hesitate to ask for details if needed.
Is this acceptable to the major Ruby developers or do they
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Am Fr den 4. Mär 2011 um 10:31 schrieb Wouter Verhelst:
[Corporate users with preference for security]
[Home users with preference for convenience]
I somewhat agree. But not in all consequence.
For that users that you call Corporate users I
Le Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 09:02:39AM +, Neil Williams a écrit :
Why is it acceptable for window managers to use a menu which cannot support
translation?
Actually it does :
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/05/msg00011.html
This said, I think that translating the Debian
On 2011-03-04, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote:
=== Generation of ri and rdoc documentation ===
We decide not to generate the ri and rdoc documentation, as there are good
online services providing it (like rdoc.info).
We might change our mind later. :)
Are you sure about that? Not
Hi,
Carsten, thanks for the pointer to check-mir. I've briefly looked at the code
and it seems it can be very easily converted to support Debian main too.
On Freitag, 4. März 2011, Paul Wise wrote:
Debian Policy section 2.2.1 already covers this:
...the package must not declare a Depends,
As I told, I think that the default should be disabled (as that would
correct for most of the debian users). But I agree that the
enabling/disabling should be easy; and not only per system, zeroconf
insists on several systems like avahi, link local, mdns, ...
Atleast on Ubuntu You are asked
On Vi, 04 mar 11, 11:32:01, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
The reason is not that obvious but might be clear when looking to the
image, systems have in the world:
Windows: Insecure, full control, many software, games, official support
Mac: Easy, colorful, all is moving and wabbering
Debian: Secure,
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 11:32:01AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
A user that installs Debian on his system will do that due to the
reputation in security. If he want to have a simpler system he would
install, for example, Ubuntu, Mac or Windows.
[...]
I do not think that Debian should be good for
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Am Fr den 4. Mär 2011 um 12:19 schrieb Andrei Popescu:
I thought Debian was The Universal Operating System ;), so I would
rather divide like this:
GNOME/KDE system: lots of functionality out-of-the-box
XFCE/LXDE system: decent
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 11:54:05AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
At present there *is* no reliable sysadmin interface for enabling/disabling
services. update-rc.d is not it; many admins have been using 'update-rc.d
-f remove' for years, but this is /wrong/ and it is /documented/ that this
will
On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 12:06:42 +0900, Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at wrote:
...
I don't need not want avahi, it actually two or three times broke
my network by doing changes to config file I don't want (don't remember
the details) and at that time I could purge it away, but it came back
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote:
Right, this is the technical problem to solve: find one (handy) method
to enable/disable services and bless it as the recommended one.
What do other distros use?
It seems to be chkconfig, not service (for this
]] Stefano Zacchiroli
| In particular, considering the possibility of other init systems coming
| (see #591791), would /usr/sbin/service enable/disable still be a proper,
| init-system-independent, abstraction?
I'm guessing service would have to learn how all other init systems
work, or have a
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote:
So does that mean a depends on apache | apache2 is forbidden, as apache is
not in main?
I guess so, unless apache2 provides apache.
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 at 12:43:36 +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
What do other distros use?
It seems to be chkconfig, not service (for this functionality).
Perhaps worth noting here that because systemd is mainly being developed in
Fedora, their versions of chkconfig and service already know
* Paul Wise [2011-03-04 12:54 +0800]:
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Carsten Hey cars...@debian.org wrote:
But, anyway, I believe that the first depends of an alternate depends
relation
should be available in main and propose to file bugs about this.
Do you agree this warrants a
Stefano Zacchiroli schrieb am Freitag, den 04. März 2011:
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 11:54:05AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
At present there *is* no reliable sysadmin interface for enabling/disabling
services. update-rc.d is not it; many admins have been using 'update-rc.d
-f remove' for
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 08:15 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Ben Hutchings
Hi,
| On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 05:20:37PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
|
| To the extent this is a bug, it's a bug in the resolver that it does not
| treat names with dots in them as absolute, but relative. I
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 10:31 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 11:02:47AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
Hi,
Am Do den 3. Mär 2011 um 3:35 schrieb Chow Loong Jin:
A system has not to listen for any unused and unneeded services ever. A
firewall is to control
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 09:04 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 à 22:56 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
Lintian intentionally doesn't do this because the Debian maintainers of
the desktop systems in Debian didn't want lots of desktop entries for
applications without a
Philipp Kern tr...@philkern.de writes:
On 2011-03-04, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote:
=== Generation of ri and rdoc documentation ===
We decide not to generate the ri and rdoc documentation, as there are
good online services providing it (like rdoc.info). We might change
our mind
On 2011-03-04, Philip Hands p...@hands.com wrote:
I'd have decided to install it, and so if there were any issues with it,
it would be my fault for installing it, but since I'm not aware of ever
having needed it, and since I don't use gnome (although I occasionally
install gnome-ish things,
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
You could stop being lazy and type the dot on the end too. ;-)
You can't expect everyone to type a dot after every single domain name they use.
Olaf
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On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 12:24 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
If you're unfamiliar with computers, on the other hand, chances that
you'll be able to figure out how to enable convenience services are
slim, at best. Since home users typically use computers in a desktop
environment, I therefore think
Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 12:30 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 09:04 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 à 22:56 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
Surely they can filter out entries with Terminal: true?
Yeah sure, and leave users without the
Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 11:16 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
=== Use alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations ===
There is a huge demand (see
[[http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548917|#548917]])
for using alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations.
On 04/03/11 at 14:00 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 11:16 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
=== Use alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations ===
There is a huge demand (see
[[http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548917|#548917]])
for
On 03/04/2011 02:00 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 11:16 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
=== Use alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations ===
There is a huge demand (see
[[http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548917|#548917]])
for using
On 04/03/11 at 14:26 +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
On 03/04/2011 02:00 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 11:16 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
=== Use alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations ===
There is a huge demand (see
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 01:49:43PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 12:30 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 09:04 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 à 22:56 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
Surely they can filter out entries
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 02:26:10PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
On 03/04/2011 02:00 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 11:16 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
=== Use alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations ===
There is a huge demand (see
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 01:47:35PM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 12:24 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
If you're unfamiliar with computers, on the other hand, chances that
you'll be able to figure out how to enable convenience services are
slim, at best. Since home
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On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 11:32:01AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
A user that installs Debian on his system will do that due to the
reputation in security. If he want to have a simpler system
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Klaus Ethgen kl...@ethgen.de wrote:
In ancient times debian was packaged the way that the administrator only
installed the daemons that he needed. Today many daemons gets installed
by dependencies and gets started without any need. Just the fact is
security
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Klaus Ethgen kl...@ethgen.de wrote:
If you want to change debian to be ubuntu it would be the time to look
for another distribution that can be used on servers. (unfortunately I
do not know an alternative.)
Ubuntu actually has better
* Carsten Hey cars...@debian.org [110304 06:17]:
* Paul Wise [2011-03-04 12:54 +0800]:
Debian Policy section 2.2.1 already covers this:
...the package must not declare a Depends, Recommends, or
Build-Depends relationship on a non-main package.
Marvin Renich m...@renich.org wrote:
* Carsten Hey cars...@debian.org [110304 06:17]: * Paul Wise [2011-03-04
12:54 +0800]: Debian Policy section 2.2.1 already covers this:
...the package must not declare a Depends, Recommends, or
Build-Depends relationship on a non-main package.
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 23:28 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
Ubuntu actually has better pro-active/defence-in-depth security than
Debian right now. For example compiler hardening flags, kernel
hardening (symlink, hardlink, ptrace, nx emulation), MAC (AppArmour).
Perusing their roadmap pages is quite
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 01:21:02PM +0100, Alexander Wirt wrote:
In particular, considering the possibility of other init systems coming
(see #591791), would /usr/sbin/service enable/disable still be a proper,
init-system-independent, abstraction?
I don't see a problem in shipping my own
* Scott Kitterman deb...@kitterman.com [110304 10:01]:
Seems reasonable to me.
Bug filed: #616462
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Steve Langasek schrieb am Friday, den 04. March 2011:
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 01:21:02PM +0100, Alexander Wirt wrote:
In particular, considering the possibility of other init systems coming
(see #591791), would /usr/sbin/service enable/disable still be a proper,
init-system-independent,
Le vendredi 4 mars 2011 10:31:30, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 11:02:47AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
Hi,
And even worse, debian is often used on server platforms where you never
ever want to have any such magically configured services.
Since avahi isn't a dependency
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On Vi, 04 mar 11, 19:29:36, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
Since avahi isn't a dependency of anything you'd want to install on a
server -- I personally have never installed gnome on a server, for
instance -- it usually isn't.
[...]
Except in a workstation place.
In a uni we use your
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 08:56:46PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Vi, 04 mar 11, 19:29:36, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
Except in a workstation place.
In a uni we use your workstation during the days for teaching and the
night for grid computing. And we care both about security and about
On Vi, 04 mar 11, 20:10:01, Adam Borowski wrote:
You'll then have to install every bit of gnome by hand, since the
meta-packages depend on avahi.
Maybe they can just recommend avahi-daemon and gnome-user-share
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]] Ben Hutchings
Hi,
| On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 05:20:37PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| To the extent this is a bug, it's a bug in the resolver that it does
|
On Wed, 02 Mar 2011, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
| Actually, we usually use it to *remove* bogus rpath, but hey, it would
| be a poor tool if it couldn't be used to add a proper rpath :)
It doesn't know how to add an rpath, just change or remove one. Patches
On Friday, March 04, 2011 02:48:07 pm Adam Borowski wrote:
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 04:09:44PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Klaus Ethgen kl...@ethgen.de wrote:
In ancient times debian was packaged the way that the administrator
only installed the daemons
Heyho!
On Friday 04 March 2011 14.16:34 Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Sorry, could you explain how it works in python, when a given binary
package contains stuff for both python 2.6 and 2.7, for example?
I'm not involved with Python packages, so somebody correct me please.
The way it's done is that
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[Adrian von Bidder, 2011-03-04]
The way it's done is that the packages declare what versions of python they
support:
python-pygments, for example:
python-pygments uses dh_python2 which takes a little bit different
approach than dh_pycentral or dh_pysupport.
dh_python2 ships all symlinks in
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 08:48:07PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
And why does it open this security hole? To make it slightly easier to
configure link-local instant messages. Who exactly is going to need that
these days? The times of local networks disconnected from the world are
mostly over.
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On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 09:27:07PM -0800, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
(isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by
simply killing the debian menu)
And fvwm,
I was a fan of fvwm for years and I even have configured my
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The menu and desktop category and classification systems are not
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