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Manoj Srivastava writes:
> Could you please remind me why, given that we currently have a
> large number of menu files, that a menu2xdg script is not being
> considered as the better path moving forward?
The menu and desktop category and classification systems are not
particularly comp
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On Fri, Mar 04 2011, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 09:27:07PM -0800, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> > (isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by
>> > simply killing the debian menu)
>>
>> And fvwm,
>
> I was a fan of fvwm for years and I even have conf
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On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 08:48:07PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> And why does it open this security hole? To make it slightly easier to
> configure link-local instant messages. Who exactly is going to need that
> these days? The times of local networks disconnected from the world are
> mostly ov
[Adrian von Bidder, 2011-03-04]
> The way it's done is that the packages declare what versions of python they
> support:
>
> python-pygments, for example:
python-pygments uses dh_python2 which takes a little bit different
approach than dh_pycentral or dh_pysupport.
dh_python2 ships all symlinks
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Heyho!
On Friday 04 March 2011 14.16:34 Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Sorry, could you explain how it works in python, when a given binary
> package contains stuff for both python 2.6 and 2.7, for example?
I'm not involved with Python packages, so somebody correct me please.
The way it's done is that
On Friday, March 04, 2011 02:48:07 pm Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 04:09:44PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> > > In ancient times debian was packaged the way that the administrator
> > > only installed the daemons that he
On Wed, 02 Mar 2011, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> ]] Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
>
> | Actually, we usually use it to *remove* bogus rpath, but hey, it would
> | be a poor tool if it couldn't be used to add a proper rpath :)
>
> It doesn't know how to add an rpath, just change or remove one. Patche
Le vendredi 4 mars 2011 13:23:32, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
> On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 08:15 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > ]] Ben Hutchings
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > | On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 05:20:37PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > | > To the extent this is a bug, it's a bug in the resolver that it
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On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 04:09:44PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> > In ancient times debian was packaged the way that the administrator only
> > installed the daemons that he needed. Today many daemons gets installed
> > by dependencies and
On Vi, 04 mar 11, 20:10:01, Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> You'll then have to install every bit of gnome by hand, since the
> meta-packages depend on avahi.
Maybe they can just recommend avahi-daemon and gnome-user-share
Regards,
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On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 08:56:46PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Vi, 04 mar 11, 19:29:36, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> > Except in a workstation place.
> >
> > In a uni we use your workstation during the days for teaching and the
> > night for grid computing. And we care both about security and
On Vi, 04 mar 11, 19:29:36, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> >
> > Since avahi isn't a dependency of anything you'd want to install on a
> > server -- I personally have never installed gnome on a server, for
> > instance -- it usually isn't.
> >
> > [...]
>
> Except in a workstation place.
>
> In a u
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Le vendredi 4 mars 2011 10:31:30, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 11:02:47AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> > Hi,
> > And even worse, debian is often used on server platforms where you never
> > ever want to have any such magically configured services.
>
> Since avahi isn't a de
Steve Langasek schrieb am Friday, den 04. March 2011:
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 01:21:02PM +0100, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> > > In particular, considering the possibility of other init systems coming
> > > (see #591791), would /usr/sbin/service enable/disable still be a proper,
> > > init-system-ind
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* Scott Kitterman [110304 10:01]:
> Seems reasonable to me.
Bug filed: #616462
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On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 01:21:02PM +0100, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> > In particular, considering the possibility of other init systems coming
> > (see #591791), would /usr/sbin/service enable/disable still be a proper,
> > init-system-independent, abstraction?
> I don't see a problem in shipping my o
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 23:28 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> Ubuntu actually has better pro-active/defence-in-depth security than
> Debian right now. For example compiler hardening flags, kernel
> hardening (symlink, hardlink, ptrace, nx emulation), MAC (AppArmour).
> Perusing their roadmap pages is quite
Marvin Renich wrote:
* Carsten Hey [110304 06:17]: > * Paul Wise [2011-03-04
12:54 +0800]: > > Debian Policy section 2.2.1 already covers this: > > > >
...the package must not declare a "Depends", "Recommends", or > >
"Build-Depends" relationship on a non-main package. > > > >
http://www.deb
* Carsten Hey [110304 06:17]:
> * Paul Wise [2011-03-04 12:54 +0800]:
> > Debian Policy section 2.2.1 already covers this:
> >
> > ...the package must not declare a "Depends", "Recommends", or
> > "Build-Depends" relationship on a non-main package.
> >
> > http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/c
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> If you want to change debian to be ubuntu it would be the time to look
> for another distribution that can be used on servers. (unfortunately I
> do not know an alternative.)
Ubuntu actually has better pro-active/defence-in-depth security th
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> In ancient times debian was packaged the way that the administrator only
> installed the daemons that he needed. Today many daemons gets installed
> by dependencies and gets started without any need. Just the fact is
> security relevant as any
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Am Fr den 4. Mär 2011 um 12:24 schrieb Wouter Verhelst:
> On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 11:32:01AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> > A user that installs Debian on his system will do that due to the
> > reputation in security. If he want to have a simpler sy
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 01:47:35PM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 12:24 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > If you're unfamiliar with computers, on the other hand, chances that
> > you'll be able to figure out how to enable convenience services are
> > slim, at best. Since ho
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 02:26:10PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> On 03/04/2011 02:00 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 11:16 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> >> === Use alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations ===
> >> There is a huge demand (see
> >> [[http
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 01:49:43PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 12:30 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
> > On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 09:04 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 à 22:56 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
> > > > Surely they can filter out
On 04/03/11 at 14:26 +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> On 03/04/2011 02:00 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 11:16 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> >> === Use alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations ===
> >> There is a huge demand (see
> >> [[http://bugs.debian
On 03/04/2011 02:00 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 11:16 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
>> === Use alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations ===
>> There is a huge demand (see
>> [[http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548917|#548917]])
>> for usi
On 04/03/11 at 14:00 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 11:16 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> > === Use alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations ===
> > There is a huge demand (see
> > [[http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548917|#548917]])
> >
Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 11:16 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> === Use alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations ===
> There is a huge demand (see
> [[http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548917|#548917]])
> for using alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations
Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 12:30 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
> On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 09:04 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 à 22:56 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
> > > Surely they can filter out entries with Terminal: true?
> >
> > Yeah sure, and leave users without t
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 12:24 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> If you're unfamiliar with computers, on the other hand, chances that
> you'll be able to figure out how to enable convenience services are
> slim, at best. Since home users typically use computers in a desktop
> environment, I therefore th
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> You could stop being lazy and type the dot on the end too. ;-)
You can't expect everyone to type a dot after every single domain name they use.
Olaf
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On 2011-03-04, Philip Hands wrote:
> I'd have decided to install it, and so if there were any issues with it,
> it would be my fault for installing it, but since I'm not aware of ever
> having needed it, and since I don't use gnome (although I occasionally
> install gnome-ish things, which is prob
Philipp Kern writes:
> On 2011-03-04, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
>>=== Generation of ri and rdoc documentation ===
>>
>> We decide not to generate the ri and rdoc documentation, as there are
>> good online services providing it (like rdoc.info). We might change
>> our mind later. :)
>
> Are you s
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 09:04 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 à 22:56 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
> > > Lintian intentionally doesn't do this because the Debian maintainers of
> > > the desktop systems in Debian didn't want lots of desktop entries for
> > > applications wit
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 10:31 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 11:02:47AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Am Do den 3. Mär 2011 um 3:35 schrieb Chow Loong Jin:
> > > > A system has not to listen for any unused and unneeded services ever. A
> > > > firewall is to c
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 08:15 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> ]] Ben Hutchings
>
> Hi,
>
> | On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 05:20:37PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> |
> | > To the extent this is a bug, it's a bug in the resolver that it does not
> | > treat names with dots in them as absolute, but rela
Stefano Zacchiroli schrieb am Freitag, den 04. März 2011:
> On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 11:54:05AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > At present there *is* no reliable sysadmin interface for enabling/disabling
> > services. update-rc.d is not it; many admins have been using 'update-rc.d
> > -f remove'
* Paul Wise [2011-03-04 12:54 +0800]:
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Carsten Hey wrote:
>
> >> But, anyway, I believe that the first depends of an alternate depends
> >> relation
> >> should be available in main and propose to file bugs about this.
> >>
> >> Do you agree this warrants a mass
On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 at 12:43:36 +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
> What do other distros use?
> It seems to be chkconfig, not service (for this functionality).
Perhaps worth noting here that because systemd is mainly being developed in
Fedora, their versions of chkconfig and service already know ab
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Holger Levsen wrote:
> So does that mean a depends on "apache | apache2" is forbidden, as apache is
> not in main?
I guess so, unless apache2 provides apache.
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| In particular, considering the possibility of other init systems coming
| (see #591791), would /usr/sbin/service enable/disable still be a proper,
| init-system-independent, abstraction?
I'm guessing service would have to learn how all other init systems
work, or have a w
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> Right, this is the technical problem to solve: find one (handy) method
> to enable/disable services and "bless" it as the recommended one.
What do other distros use?
It seems to be chkconfig, not service (for this functionality).
Olaf
On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 12:06:42 +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
...
> I don't need not want avahi, it actually two or three times broke
> my network by doing changes to config file I don't want (don't remember
> the details) and at that time I could purge it away, but it came back
> again.
This is ex
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 11:54:05AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> At present there *is* no reliable sysadmin interface for enabling/disabling
> services. update-rc.d is not it; many admins have been using 'update-rc.d
> -f remove' for years, but this is /wrong/ and it is /documented/ that this
> w
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Am Fr den 4. Mär 2011 um 12:19 schrieb Andrei Popescu:
> I thought Debian was "The Universal Operating System" ;), so I would
> rather divide like this:
>
> GNOME/KDE system: lots of functionality out-of-the-box
> XFCE/LXDE system: decent fun
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 11:32:01AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> A user that installs Debian on his system will do that due to the
> reputation in security. If he want to have a simpler system he would
> install, for example, Ubuntu, Mac or Windows.
[...]
> I do not think that Debian should be good
On Vi, 04 mar 11, 11:32:01, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
>
> The reason is not that obvious but might be clear when looking to the
> image, systems have in the world:
> Windows: Insecure, full control, many software, games, official support
> Mac: Easy, colorful, all is moving and wabbering
> Debian: Secur
> As I told, I think that the default should be disabled (as that would
> correct for most of the debian users). But I agree that the
> enabling/disabling should be easy; and not only per system, zeroconf
> insists on several systems like avahi, link local, mdns, ...
Atleast on Ubuntu You are aske
Hi,
Carsten, thanks for the pointer to check-mir. I've briefly looked at the code
and it seems it can be very easily converted to support Debian main too.
On Freitag, 4. März 2011, Paul Wise wrote:
> Debian Policy section 2.2.1 already covers this:
>
> ...the package must not declare a "Depends"
On 2011-03-04, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
>=== Generation of ri and rdoc documentation ===
>
> We decide not to generate the ri and rdoc documentation, as there are good
> online services providing it (like rdoc.info).
> We might change our mind later. :)
Are you sure about that? Not that I do mu
Le Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 09:02:39AM +, Neil Williams a écrit :
>
> Why is it acceptable for window managers to use a menu which cannot support
> translation?
Actually it does :
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/05/msg00011.html
This said, I think that translating the Debian
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Am Fr den 4. Mär 2011 um 10:31 schrieb Wouter Verhelst:
[Corporate users with preference for security]
[Home users with preference for convenience]
I somewhat agree. But not in all consequence.
For that users that you call "Corporate users" I
On 04/03/11 at 10:58 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 04, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>
> > Our plans are described on
> > http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Ruby/RubyInWheezy
> > Don't hesitate to ask for details if needed.
> Is this acceptable to the major Ruby developers or do they still hate
> you and
On Mar 04, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Our plans are described on
> http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Ruby/RubyInWheezy
> Don't hesitate to ask for details if needed.
Is this acceptable to the major Ruby developers or do they still hate
you and everybody else involved?
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On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 11:02:47AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am Do den 3. Mär 2011 um 3:35 schrieb Chow Loong Jin:
> > > A system has not to listen for any unused and unneeded services ever. A
> > > firewall is to control services you _need_.
> > >
> > > All that zeroconf stuff is ab
On 2011-03-04, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> (isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by
>> simply killing the debian menu)
>
> And fvwm,
According to the internets, there is a fvwm-xdg-menu python script that
is supposed to make the xdg/fdo menu in a format that fvwm
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 12:45 +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> main security problem is resolver,
> $host -v www.local
> www.local
> www.local.mydomain.com
>
> see security issue in draft paper also in case
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns-08
resolver is more like th
On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 00:31:13 +0100
Sean Finney wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 23:01 +0100, Christoph Egger wrote:
> > Sune Vuorela writes:
> > > (isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by
> > > simply killing the debian menu)
> >
> > Last time I checked fluxbox and aweso
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 16:08 +, Philipp Kern wrote:
> We don't like security by obscurity, as you might know.
Not shouting out loud that a service is available doesn't qualify as
“security by obscurity” for me.
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We are planning a rather large set of changes in Ruby packaging for
Debian wheezy, and would appreciate some external feedback on our
proposals.
Our plans are described on
http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Ruby/RubyInWheezy
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>
> Thanks for the suggestion, but this does not seem to do what I want, I think?
Another Pointer
(http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=344310&sid=6f3fef9df8b046ec568039de87c1175f).
> so doing «getent hosts foo.bar» will only generate a query for
>
Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 à 22:56 +, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
> > Lintian intentionally doesn't do this because the Debian maintainers of
> > the desktop systems in Debian didn't want lots of desktop entries for
> > applications without a GUI, which often currently have menu entries.
>
> Surely t
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 09:27:07PM -0800, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > (isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by
> > simply killing the debian menu)
>
> And fvwm,
I was a fan of fvwm for years and I even have configured my xfce with
fvwm keycodes to have the same h
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