Le lundi 27 mai 2013 à 20:28 -0400, Ryan Kavanagh a écrit :
In coordination with Norbert Preining, I propose a MBF against all
packages depending on or build-depending on texi2html, asking them to
transition from the `texi2html' utility to the `makeinfo' utility from
the texinfo package, with
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 09:13:44AM +0200, Ond??ej Surý wrote:
I would be quite happy to write service files for two (systemd, upstart) or
three (systemd, upstart, openrc) of those in all my packages[*], if it
stops the endless flamewar here. I would also be happy to have the
requirement to
Le 25/04/2013 23:42, Andreas Bombe a écrit :
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 03:40:57PM +0200, Franck wrote:
basE91 is an advanced method for encoding binary data as ASCII characters. It
is similar to UUencode or base64, but is more efficient. The overhead produced
by basE91 depends on the input data.
Hi,
On Dienstag, 28. Mai 2013, Josh Triplett wrote:
In addition to determining the MTA pulled in by default for packages
which require mail-transport-agent in order to function (the provider of
default-mta), I'd like to propose as a release goal that we not have any
MTA in standard anymore.
Hi,
On 28.05.2013 03:02, Marco d'Itri wrote:
Now that we are done with systemd for the time being, can we have the
flame war about replacing Exim with Postfix as the default MTA?
I like Postfix and I use it everywhere I need a matured MTA. But I
wonder, what the benefit would be to replace a
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 03:02:22AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
Now that we are done with systemd for the time being, can we have the
flame war about replacing Exim with Postfix as the default MTA?
Are there any objections other than but I like it this way!?
As things stand, for the vast
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 09:42:20AM +0200, Franck Routier (perso) wrote:
this description is from the upstream readme. I have submited a bug
report to ask for a correction.
Should I patch the readme inbetween ?
If you mean the package description, then yes: it should be tailored
to Debian. When
Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org escribió:
[...]
- mutt: can easily Suggests a mail-transport-agent, since it supports
IMAP and SMTP, leaving aside more exotic configurations like
getmail/fetchmail. (That leaves aside the question of whether mutt
should be standard or optional, but
Le mardi 28 mai 2013 à 10:34 +0100, Jonathan Dowland a écrit :
There is an impedence mismatch between packages which consider an MTA and the
sendmail interface to be standard and those desktop components that make no
such assumption. If we are going to keep ensuring a local MTA/sendmail
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:09:07PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 28 mai 2013 à 10:34 +0100, Jonathan Dowland a écrit :
There is an impedence mismatch between packages which consider an MTA and
the
sendmail interface to be standard and those desktop components that make no
such
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:07:04AM +0200, Arno Töll wrote:
Why not consider something light, better suited for most systems which
need nothing but a sendmail binary which is suited to relay to a
real(tm) mail-server and deliver local mail and does not involve lots of
configuration and/or
Le mardi 28 mai 2013 à 12:13 +0200, Adam Borowski a écrit :
Being able to send outgoing mail, and to handle local (such as SMTP rejects
or notifications from system daemons) seems plenty useful to me.
Most clients (apart maybe from mailx) can use an external SMTP server to
send email.
And on
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:09:07PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 28 mai 2013 à 10:34 +0100, Jonathan Dowland a écrit :
There is an impedence mismatch between packages which consider an MTA and
the
sendmail interface to be standard and those desktop components that make no
such
2013/5/28 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
Le mardi 28 mai 2013 à 12:13 +0200, Adam Borowski a écrit :
Being able to send outgoing mail, and to handle local (such as SMTP rejects
or notifications from system daemons) seems plenty useful to me.
Most clients (apart maybe from mailx) can use an
A while ago, someone raised the possibility of recompressing PNG files.
It turns out that since recently, some crazy googlers are guilty of zopfli
which can optimize PNGs even better, but taking all the CPU in the world for
doing so. This doesn't sound useful for automated use during package
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote:
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:07:04AM +0200, Arno Töll wrote:
Why not consider something light, better suited for most systems
which
need nothing but a sendmail binary which is suited to relay to a
real(tm) mail-server and deliver local mail and does not
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
Le mardi 28 mai 2013 à 10:34 +0100, Jonathan Dowland a écrit :
There is an impedence mismatch between packages which consider an MTA and the
sendmail interface to be standard and those desktop components that make no
such assumption. If we are going to
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Eugenio Cano-Manuel Mendoza eugenioca...@gmail.com
* Package name: libquoin-clojure
Version : 0.1.0
Upstream Author : David Santiago david.santi...@gmail.com
* URL : https://github.com/davidsantiago/quoin
* License :
On 28/05/13 12:25, Redalert Commander wrote:
2013/5/28 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
And on desktop systems, nobody reads local email. We might want to think
of a better notification system, but email is definitely not fit for
that anymore.
I don't think that is true at all. Personally,
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 07:37:52AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
It might help if we used a bit more precision in terimonolgy. Not a full
blown MTA as described here is a Mail Submission Agent (MSA). See RFC
5598 for details:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5598#section-4.3.1
A mere MSA
2013/5/28 Simon McVittie s...@debian.org:
[...]
The participants in this thread are debian-devel subscribers: the sort
of people who know that Debian is a Unix system, know what a Unix system
is, and have some idea of what a btrfs scrub cron job, or indeed an
MTA, means. That's a pretty
Hi Adam,
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 05:56:06PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
A while ago, someone raised the possibility of recompressing PNG files.
From my brief experience of working on games-thumbnails, I can appreciate that
the space savings may well be worth it at scale, but performing
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 02:01:06PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
From my brief experience of working on games-thumbnails, I can appreciate that
the space savings may well be worth it at scale, but performing
compression/optimisation at package build stage is a major PITA. For
There seem to be a few new discussions about these possible solutions
As well as the traditional init scripts, I've worked with systemd on
Fedora and SMF on Solaris. Out of all possible solutions, I don't have
any strong feelings about which solution Debian should go with at this
stage.
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 08:45:04AM +0200, Sébastien Villemot wrote:
AFAIK, makeinfo is not able to render @math blocks as images (formatted
with LaTeX), while texi2html does. The output of math formulas with
makeinfo --html is very ugly, since it basically dumps the Texi/LaTeX
source of the
Le mardi 28 mai 2013 à 13:07 +0200, Bjørn Mork a écrit :
The local MTA serves as a common configuration for the external SMTP
server, with a well known interface supported by every single package
which wants to send mail.
Which packages are entitled to send mail to the outside without
On 28/05/13 16:01, Ryan Kavanagh wrote:
On the basis of Sébastien's objection, I propose the MBF to have
severity wishlist and the following amended text. Not everybody will be
able to transition from texi2html, but those who can should. It will be
easier to transition the remaining few packages
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 08:28:37PM -0400, Ryan Kavanagh wrote:
See attached for a dd-list of affected packages.
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 04:37:44PM +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
Please attach a list of packages run through dd-list before doing the MBF.
Sorry, I guess I forgot to actually
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 04:24:27PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 28 mai 2013 à 13:07 +0200, Bjørn Mork a écrit :
The local MTA serves as a common configuration for the external SMTP
server, with a well known interface supported by every single package
which wants to send mail.
2013/5/28 Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl:
If you don't read it, you get a reminder every login.
If you login in command line, which is not the default case for desktop systems.
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On 05/28/2013 07:05 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
And on desktop systems, nobody reads local email. We might want to think
of a better notification system, but email is definitely not fit for
that anymore.
I do read the mails that my system is sending me (smartd, cron, mdadm,
etc.), and I like
2013/5/28 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
Nobody,
I repeat, nobody, ever reads local mail on most desktop systems
I read mail from my desktop :-)
It is forwarded to my gmail account
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Le 28/05/2013 17:21, Adam Borowski a écrit :
We are talking about a default configuration, and the only useful
thing in a default configuration is local mail. Local mail not
being read by anyone on most machines.
If you don't read it,
On 05/28/2013 06:39 PM, Mike Hommey wrote:
Running your own MTA without a smart host is a
PITA these days. So you're better off using an external SMTP server
directly.
I agree. Which is why postfix can be configured for that:
# cat /etc/postfix/main.cf
[ ... ]
relayhost = mx.example.com
On 2013-05-28, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:
I agree. Which is why postfix can be configured for that:
I think most full-blown mta's can do that. But the much smaller ones can
also.
/Sune
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On 05/28/2013 10:24 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Just like for the MIME support mess, the damage is already done. Nobody,
I repeat, nobody, ever reads local mail on most desktop systems, and
even many server systems.
The question you have to ask yourself is: why?
The answer is simple: because
On Tue, 28 May 2013, Arno Töll wrote:
Why not consider something light, better suited for most systems which
need nothing but a sendmail binary which is suited to relay to a
real(tm) mail-server and deliver local mail and does not involve lots
of configuration and/or listening ports?
On 28 May 2013, at 14:04, Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org wrote:
Some plugins for photoshop etc store data in the fields that get removed
by pngcrush and friends. In a sense, doing this is removing source data.
This is a bug that should be fixed in the optimiser(s). However, it could
2013/5/28 Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com:
2013/5/28 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
Nobody,
I repeat, nobody, ever reads local mail on most desktop systems
[...]
Would it help if we had a desktop-component, which is able to:
1) Show a notification *on the desktop* if the user received new
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
Le mardi 28 mai 2013 à 13:07 +0200, Bjørn Mork a écrit :
The local MTA serves as a common configuration for the external SMTP
server, with a well known interface supported by every single package
which wants to send mail.
Which packages are entitled
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Helmut Grohne hel...@subdivi.de writes:
I'd like to add some bits from the doxygen point of view. Documentation
packages created using doxygen currently have a number of issues with
respect to size. Some of them are to be
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jérémy Bobbio lu...@debian.org
* Package name: ruby-haml-contrib
Version : 1.0.0.1
Upstream Author : Norman Clarke nor...@njclarke.com
* URL : https://github.com/haml/haml-contrib
* License : Expat
Programming Lang:
Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no writes:
The local MTA serves as a common configuration for the external SMTP
server, with a well known interface supported by every single package
which wants to send mail.
And which requires storing passwords or other authentication credentials
on disk if your
Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it wrote:
Now that we are done with systemd for the time being, can we have the
flame war about replacing Exim with Postfix as the default MTA?
[...]
I do not think we need another flame-war. Thank you very much.
cu Andreas
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On Tue, 28 May 2013, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
optimizing the svg file by removing all space and comments ?
svgz (or similar) will handle this far better, and retain source.
[Though it's not clear to me if everything supports on-the-fly
decompression of SVG images.]
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Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no writes:
The local MTA serves as a common configuration for the external SMTP
server, with a well known interface supported by every single package
which wants to send mail.
And which requires storing passwords or other
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 07:10:51PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
2013/5/28 Игорь Пашев pashev.i...@gmail.com:
2013/5/28 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
Nobody,
I repeat, nobody, ever reads local mail on most desktop systems
[...]
Would it help if we had a desktop-component, which is
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 05:58:15PM +0200, Thibaut Paumard wrote:
I was going to say that by default, this mail was sent to root, but
checked before I typed and... what? I do have unread local mail!? Just
to say: at the moment, there's no obvious notification about local mail.
In addition, it
Hi Simon,
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 01:05:24PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
The participants in this thread are debian-devel subscribers: the sort
of people who know that Debian is a Unix system, know what a Unix system
is, and have some idea of what a btrfs scrub cron job, or indeed an
MTA,
Hi,
we need to change the way security fixes are handled for Mozilla
in stable-security. The backporting of security fixes is no
longer sustainable resource-wise.
As such, we'll switch to releasing the ESR releases of iceweasel
and icedove in stable-security.
Reverse-deps of the older xulrunner
As a final notice, unless I get any objections (there have been none so
far), I plan to go forward with the MBF at 03:00UTC on 2013-05-29. As
explained on the Texi2htmlTransition wiki page[0], if you are
unwilling/unable to transition to texinfo due to missing math rendering,
please mark your bug
Hi Moritz!
On 05/28/2013 10:33 PM, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
we need to change the way security fixes are handled for Mozilla
in stable-security. The backporting of security fixes is no
longer sustainable resource-wise.
I second this. Having one of the most commonly used desktop applications
On 28/05/13 18:53, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 28 May 2013, Arno Töll wrote:
Why not consider something light, better suited for most systems which
need nothing but a sendmail binary which is suited to relay to a
real(tm) mail-server and deliver local mail and does not involve lots
of
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 07:06:23PM -0400, Ryan Kavanagh wrote:
As a final notice, unless I get any objections (there have been none so
far), I plan to go forward with the MBF at 03:00UTC on 2013-05-29. As
explained on the Texi2htmlTransition wiki page[0], if you are
unwilling/unable to
On Di, 28 Mai 2013, Ryan Kavanagh wrote:
Norbert, as Texinfo maintainer, do you know if upstream has an ITA for
when the math-images-in-HTML will arrive in makeinfo?
No I don't know, but I have forwarded the question to bug-texinfo,
let us see what we get.
Norbert
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 05:08:06PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
There have been two responses to your proposal so far, neither of
which particularly looks to be in favor of your plan. I don't think
it's reasonable to proceed with a mass-bug filing on over 800 packages
as a first step,
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
we need to change the way security fixes are handled for Mozilla
in stable-security. The backporting of security fixes is no
longer sustainable resource-wise.
Please propose an announcement about this to the Debian press team and
add
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:45:25PM -0400, Ryan Kavanagh wrote:
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 05:08:06PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
There have been two responses to your proposal so far, neither of
which particularly looks to be in favor of your plan. I don't think
it's reasonable to proceed
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