Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-07-01 Thread Stefano Rivera
Hi Matthias (2014.06.26_08:38:09_+0200) Of these, roughly 20% have switched to systemd. And they apparently did not and do not have any problem with it, otherwise we'd hear about it. Here and other places. Quite loudly. Not necessarily. My laptop won't boot with systemd, although other

virtual machine from USB stick (virt-manager qemu/kvm)

2014-07-01 Thread Eugene Zhukov
Hello, I know this question probably doesn't belong to this list, and I tried debian-user@ first, but didn't get a single response. I'm trying to create a VM with Windows 7. Is there a way to do that from USB stick? It is a ~10GB corporate Windows package. Thanks, Eugene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

How to restart New Member Process?

2014-07-01 Thread Kiwamu Okabe
Hi developers, How to restart New Member Process? I have had New Member Process in the past. But It's canceled, because I had not a good response to it. https://nm.debian.org/public/process/13039 Now, I would like to dput packages for ATS2 language. http://www.ats-lang.org/

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-07-01 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Steve Langasek: And yes, there are PHP extensions that are not distributable in binary form because of this license. But relicensing *the extension* changes nothing about this, they are *still* not redistributable as part of Debian because they're linking GPL code into PHP which is and

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-07-01 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Clint Byrum: That's quite the opposite of what I would suggest. Such distributions may actually feel that they can withstand any damages that PHP/Zend can claim against them, and their brands depend on them taking care of their end users, but even if they didn't, they could also absorb

Bug#753382: ITP: ucpp -- embeddable, quick and light C preprocessor

2014-07-01 Thread Rene Engelhard
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Rene Engelhard r...@rene-engelhard.de * Package name: ucpp Version : 1.3.2 * URL : Thomas Pornin por...@bolet.org * License : BSD Programming Lang: C Description : embeddable, quick and light C preprocessor A C

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-07-01 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 10:17, Matthias Urlichs wrote: (C) Bite the bullet and admit that when everybody else calls a color light blue which we consider to be cyan, we might as well docuent that fact instead of trying to convince everybody else that they're wrong, even if they are,

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-07-01 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 08:15, Stefano Rivera wrote: Hi Matthias (2014.06.26_08:38:09_+0200) Of these, roughly 20% have switched to systemd. And they apparently did not and do not have any problem with it, otherwise we'd hear about it. Here and other places. Quite loudly. Not

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-07-01 Thread Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez
On 30/06/14 23:47, Marco d'Itri wrote: Unless I'm mistaken, the wording in the PHP license makes it invalid for anybody that isn't actually the PHP project to use without making a false claim that THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE PHP DEVELOPMENT TEAM. The fact that ~nobody else believes

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-07-01 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 13:01, Ondřej Surý wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 08:15, Stefano Rivera wrote: Hi Matthias (2014.06.26_08:38:09_+0200) Of these, roughly 20% have switched to systemd. And they apparently did not and do not have any problem with it, otherwise we'd hear about it.

How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Dear all, A few days ago, after a routine upgrade from testing, the power button on my laptop ceased functioning. I was busy at the time, so I lived with having to remember to type sudo shutdown -h now for a few days; yesterday, I finally took the time to debug the issue. I started with strace

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Darac Marjal
On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 03:25:36PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: Dear all, A few days ago, after a routine upgrade from testing, the power button on my laptop ceased functioning. I was busy at the time, so I lived with having to remember to type sudo shutdown -h now for a few days;

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread vitalif
1. Could some competent person tell me the right way to tell apt that it should fail an upgrade rather than installing systemd? I guess I could make a dummy package that conflicts with systemd, but I'm sure there's a better way. I think you can just put Package: systemd Pin:

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 1 juillet 2014 15:25 +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr : A few days ago, after a routine upgrade from testing, the power button on my laptop ceased functioning. I was busy at the time, so I lived with having to remember to type sudo shutdown -h now for a few days;

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, July 1, 2014 15:25, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: 2. Could some kind soul explain to the systemd maintainers that gentle persuasion, while not always the most efficient way to take over the world, is more in line with point 4 of the Debian Social Contract than alternative

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: So I'm turning to this list for help: 1. Could some competent person tell me the right way to tell apt that it should fail an upgrade rather than installing systemd? I guess I could make a dummy package that conflicts with systemd, but I'm I made such a

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 01 Jul 2014 18:26:53 +0400 vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote: 1. Could some competent person tell me the right way to tell apt that it should fail an upgrade rather than installing systemd? I guess I could make a dummy package that conflicts with systemd, but I'm sure

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Thomas Weber
On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 04:38:16PM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: The responses from the systemd maintainers are indeed on the terse side, but I can imagine that your style of bug reporting does not invite our volunteers to spend more time on it. This is not a question of spending time. An

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Wookey
+++ Thorsten Glaser [2014-07-01 14:45 +]: Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: So I'm turning to this list for help: 1. Could some competent person tell me the right way to tell apt that it should fail an upgrade rather than installing systemd? I guess I could make a dummy package

Bug#753408: ITP: openstack-doc-tools -- tools used by the OpenStack Documentation project

2014-07-01 Thread Thomas Goirand
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org * Package name: openstack-doc-tools Version : 0.15 Upstream Author : OpenStack Development Mailing List openstack-...@lists.openstack.org * URL : https://github.com/openstack/openstack-doc-tools *

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
gentle persuasion [...] is more in line with point 4 of the Debian Social Contract than [...] bullying? May I suggest that you treat others the way you want to be treated? I am not a Debian Developer. I am not bound by the Social Contract. Are we to expect a higher standard of behaviour

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 01.07.2014 17:20, schrieb Thomas Weber: Or, taking a different perspective: now that the issue is known, what is done to prevent another user from hitting the very same issue in the future? Install systemd-sysv for systemd-shim. The libpam-systemd package in 204-9 ensures that either of the

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez
On 01/07/14 17:20, Thomas Weber wrote: Or, taking a different perspective: now that the issue is known, what is done to prevent another user from hitting the very same issue in the future? I think that a critical debconf warning should be in place to avoid replacing the init system of users

Bug#753410: ITP: node-chalk -- Terminal string styling

2014-07-01 Thread Andrew Kelley
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andrew Kelley superjo...@gmail.com X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: node-chalk Version : 0.4.0 Upstream Author : Sindre Sorhus sindresor...@gmail.com ( http://sindresorhus.com) * URL :

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-07-01 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 06/30/2014 05:43 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:27:49AM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:42:09AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Thomas Goirand +1 for keeping the name which is funny What's funny about an OS stating publicly that a

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 01.07.2014 17:35, schrieb Juliusz Chroboczek: I am not a Debian Developer. I am not bound by the Social Contract. I may remind you about [1] then. If you feel like you need to rant or vent, please do it someplace else or expect a terse answer like the one you got. [1]

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr, 2014-07-01, 15:25: I filed bug 753357 Why is this bug marked as fixed in systemd/204-9? -- Jakub Wilk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Sources licensed under PHP License and not being PHP are not distributable

2014-07-01 Thread Russ Allbery
Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de writes: (C) Bite the bullet and admit that when everybody else calls a color light blue which we consider to be cyan, we might as well docuent that fact instead of trying to convince everybody else that they're wrong, even if they are, from our

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Mirosław Baran
Michael Biebl made an argument from authority: Am 01.07.2014 17:35, schrieb Juliusz Chroboczek: I am not a Debian Developer. I am not bound by the Social Contract. I may remind you about [1] then. If you feel like you need to rant or vent, please do it someplace else or expect a terse

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Mirosław Baran
Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: The responses from the systemd maintainers are indeed on the terse side, but I can imagine that your style of bug reporting does not invite our volunteers to spend more time on it. The replies were not just terse, the replies were downright rude. Can we perhaps agree

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Jose Luis Rivas
On 01/07/14, 05:35pm, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: gentle persuasion [...] is more in line with point 4 of the Debian Social Contract than [...] bullying? May I suggest that you treat others the way you want to be treated? I am not a Debian Developer. I am not bound by the Social

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, July 1, 2014 17:35, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: gentle persuasion [...] is more in line with point 4 of the Debian Social Contract than [...] bullying? May I suggest that you treat others the way you want to be treated? I am not a Debian Developer. I am not bound by the Social

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 17:20, Thomas Weber wrote: On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 04:38:16PM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: The responses from the systemd maintainers are indeed on the terse side, but I can imagine that your style of bug reporting does not invite our volunteers to spend more time

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 18:03, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr, 2014-07-01, 15:25: I filed bug 753357 Why is this bug marked as fixed in systemd/204-9? I suggest to reassign this bug to acpi-support-base and stop this

Bug#753412: ITP: node-jsondiffpatch -- Diff Patch for Javascript objects

2014-07-01 Thread Andrew Kelley
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andrew Kelley superjo...@gmail.com X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: node-jsondiffpatch Version : 0.1.7 Upstream Author : Benjamin Eidelman benei...@gmail.com * URL :

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 01, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com wrote: I think that a critical debconf warning should be in place to avoid replacing the init system of users without prior explicit consent. I think that this would be an annoying waste of time for most users, since only a few people

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 01.07.2014 18:28, schrieb Ondřej Surý: On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 18:03, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Juliusz Chroboczek j...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr, 2014-07-01, 15:25: I filed bug 753357 Why is this bug marked as fixed in systemd/204-9? I suggest to reassign this bug to acpi-support-base and

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
The replies were not just terse, the replies were downright rude. That's hardly the main problem with Michael's behaviour. I reported an actual bug, including conclusions that I got from fourty minutes of tracing the ACPI scripts. Michael closed it straight away, without investigating the

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 18:09, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jul 01, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com wrote: I think that a critical debconf warning should be in place to avoid replacing the init system of users without prior explicit consent. I think that this would be an annoying

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 01.07.2014 18:53, schrieb Juliusz Chroboczek: Michael closed it straight away, without investigating the issue. Oh, I did. That's why I told you to install systemd-shim. It would be great if you can dial down your accusations a little. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez
On 01/07/14 18:09, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jul 01, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com wrote: I think that a critical debconf warning should be in place to avoid replacing the init system of users without prior explicit consent. I think that this would be an annoying waste of time

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 04:23:01PM +0100, Wookey wrote: You get a choice of 'prevent-systemd' which stops it running as init but allows the -shim and libpam packages so that logind and the like will work. Or 'systemd-must-die' which conflicts with everything systemdish. Wookey, Please rename

Re: Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Eric Valette
I think that this would be an annoying waste of time for most users, since only a few people care so much about not being tainted by systemd I do not care being tainted by systemd when it works. Actually on two very different machines it means no audio for me. On a NAS it means no

Bug#753418: ITP: node-zip-stream -- streaming zip archive generator

2014-07-01 Thread Andrew Kelley
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andrew Kelley superjo...@gmail.com X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: node-zip-stream Version : 0.3.5 Upstream Author : Chris Talkington (http://christalkington.com/) * URL :

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 06:09:08PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jul 01, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com wrote: I think that a critical debconf warning should be in place to avoid replacing the init system of users without prior explicit consent. I think that this would be an

Re: Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-07-01 19:38 GMT+02:00 Eric Valette eric.vale...@free.fr: I think that this would be an annoying waste of time for most users, since only a few people care so much about not being tainted by systemd I do not care being tainted by systemd when it works. Actually on two very different

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-07-01, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com wrote: Maybe desktops user don't care much about the init system as long as they can boot to the desktop. They care as long as everything works. And for everything works to keep on happening, we need a effective migration to systemd,

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 06:53:27PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: The replies were not just terse, the replies were downright rude. That's hardly the main problem with Michael's behaviour. I stand by what I said yesterday, in a different thread, but the same mailing list: # When a project

Bug#753422: ITP: node-archiver -- streaming interface for archive generation

2014-07-01 Thread Andrew Kelley
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andrew Kelley superjo...@gmail.com X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: node-archiver Version : 0.10.1 Upstream Author : Chris Talkington (http://christalkington.com/) * URL :

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 01.07.2014 19:38, schrieb Eric Valette: I think that this would be an annoying waste of time for most users, since only a few people care so much about not being tainted by systemd I do not care being tainted by systemd when it works. Actually on two very different machines it means no

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Ondřej Surý
Miroslaw, unless you offer to ack as a front desk for bugs in systemd, then please go with your judgments elsewhere. Your judgmental comments are neither helpful nor welcome here. Thanks, Ondrej On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 18:17, Mirosław Baran wrote: Michael Biebl made an argument from authority:

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Ondřej Surý
Michael, On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 18:51, Michael Biebl wrote: Install systemd-sysv for systemd-shim. The libpam-systemd package in 204-9 ensures that either of the two is installed. The behaviour of acpi-support-base is correct, there shouldn't be any bug filed against it. please don't

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 20:18, Ondřej Surý wrote: Michael, On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 18:51, Michael Biebl wrote: Install systemd-sysv for systemd-shim. The libpam-systemd package in 204-9 ensures that either of the two is installed. The behaviour of acpi-support-base is correct,

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 1 juillet 2014 10:53 -0700, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org : - hold systemd back at 204 until systemd-shim is updated The way user sessions work is quite different between 204 and 208. I would hope that Jessie will come with 208 for this reason. Holding systemd until systemd-shim is

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Michael closed it straight away, without investigating the issue. Oh, I did. That's why I told you to install systemd-shim. Now could you please reopen bug 753357, or at least allow me to do it? -- Juliusz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Eric Valette
On 01/07/2014 19:59, Matthias Klumpp wrote: These are valid points, and thank you for reporting bugs! However, as unstable user, some breakage can be expected, and the point for transitioning early in unstable is to make the transition as smooth as possible when someone uprades Debian stable,

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Mirosław Baran
On 1 July 2014 19:15:32 IST, Ondřej Surý ond...@sury.org wrote: unless you offer to ack as a front desk for bugs in systemd, then please go with your judgments elsewhere. Your judgmental comments are neither helpful nor welcome here. My comment was factual and polite, thank you very much.

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 01.07.2014 20:21, schrieb Ondřej Surý: On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 20:18, Ondřej Surý wrote: Michael, On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 18:51, Michael Biebl wrote: Install systemd-sysv for systemd-shim. The libpam-systemd package in 204-9 ensures that either of the two is installed. The behaviour of

Re: Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Eric Valette
Which bug report is that? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=748651 I will try to add the requested debug log ASAP. Dunno where I got the initial bogus trace command from. Probably not invented it. --eric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Felipe Sateler
On Tue, 01 Jul 2014 20:08:35 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 01.07.2014 19:38, schrieb Eric Valette: I think that this would be an annoying waste of time for most users, since only a few people care so much about not being tainted by systemd I do not care being tainted by systemd when it

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 08:23:09PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: ❦ 1 juillet 2014 10:53 -0700, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org : - hold systemd back at 204 until systemd-shim is updated The way user sessions work is quite different between 204 and 208. I would hope that Jessie will come

systemd-shim [Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?]

2014-07-01 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 01.07.2014 19:53, schrieb Steve Langasek: new init. But the systemd maintainers are anxious to update to a newer version in unstable, and while there are plans in Ubuntu to make systemd-shim support the interfaces needed for newer logind, this isn't ready yet. This issue has been known

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Michael, On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 05:37:55PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 01.07.2014 17:20, schrieb Thomas Weber: Or, taking a different perspective: now that the issue is known, what is done to prevent another user from hitting the very same issue in the future? Install systemd-sysv

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 01.07.2014 21:06, schrieb Eric Valette: Which bug report is that? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=748651 Ok, thanks for sharing. As for the issue you encountered on your NAS using RAID10: Please do file a bug report and we will follow up there Michael -- Why is it

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 01.07.2014 21:33, schrieb Steve Langasek: Ok, thanks for this clarification. I didn't realize this dependency had not yet made it into testing. FWIW, from reading the bug log, it was not clear to me that you were taking responsibility for this bug and stating that it had been fixed in

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 01.07.2014 21:34, schrieb Michael Biebl: Indeed, I take the blame for my verbosity here. Or non-verbosity, if you so wish. I do have to add that the tone of the bug report didn't really inspire me to write paragraphs of explanations. You know, I'm also just a human. -- Why is it that all

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 08:57:37PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 01.07.2014 20:21, schrieb Ondřej Surý: On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 20:18, Ondřej Surý wrote: Michael, On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 18:51, Michael Biebl wrote: Install systemd-sysv for systemd-shim. The libpam-systemd package in

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-07-01, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: The question is which of these is a worse outcome for the jessie release. I come down firmly on the side that breaking desktops on upgrade is a worse outcome than being behind on the latest and greatest user session interface= s. We

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Juliusz, can you please paste your apt logs showing what pulled systemd in on the system? Sent by private mail. If anyone else wants a copy, please drop me a note. -- Juliusz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: systemd-shim [Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?]

2014-07-01 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Michael Biebl Am 01.07.2014 19:53, schrieb Steve Langasek: new init. But the systemd maintainers are anxious to update to a newer version in unstable, and while there are plans in Ubuntu to make systemd-shim support the interfaces needed for newer logind, this isn't ready yet.

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 13624 March 1977, Lars Wirzenius wrote: You get a choice of 'prevent-systemd' which stops it running as init but allows the -shim and libpam packages so that logind and the like will work. Or 'systemd-must-die' which conflicts with everything systemdish. Please rename the systemd-must-die

Bug#753433: ITP: node-lastfm -- Read and write to Last.fm

2014-07-01 Thread Andrew Kelley
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andrew Kelley superjo...@gmail.com X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: node-lastfm Version : 0.9.0 Upstream Author : James Scott jam...@gmail.com * URL : https://github.com/jammus/lastfm-node * License

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 07:47:36PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2014-07-01, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: The question is which of these is a worse outcome for the jessie release. I come down firmly on the side that breaking desktops on upgrade is a worse outcome than being

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Svante Signell
On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 22:09 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: On 13624 March 1977, Lars Wirzenius wrote: You get a choice of 'prevent-systemd' which stops it running as init but allows the -shim and libpam packages so that logind and the like will work. Or 'systemd-must-die' which conflicts

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-07-01, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: https://bugs.debian.org/src:systemd-shim Show me a bug report, not FUD. I'd rather point to the likely-faulty code. it is likely in or around src:kde-workspace/powerdevil/daemon/backends/upower/powerdevilupowerbackend.cpp when

Re: systemd-shim [Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?]

2014-07-01 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote: ]] Michael Biebl Am 01.07.2014 19:53, schrieb Steve Langasek: new init. But the systemd maintainers are anxious to update to a newer version in unstable, and while there are plans in Ubuntu to make systemd-shim support

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-07-01 Thread Norbert Preining
On Wed, 02 Jul 2014, Thomas Goirand wrote: I don't think so. I think it encourages to be more easy going, and have fun, but never mind. Let's keep Debian boring^W^Wportland weird. :) +1 Fun is missing, humour even more. Norbert

Re: systemd-shim [Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?]

2014-07-01 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 02.07.2014 00:09, schrieb Tshepang Lekhonkhobe: On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote: Just as a heads-up: We're planning on making 208 hit unstable once 204-9 is in testing, and then follow up with newer versions once we deem they are ready. Do you mean

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Wookey
+++ Lars Wirzenius [2014-07-01 18:34 +0100]: On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 04:23:01PM +0100, Wookey wrote: You get a choice of 'prevent-systemd' which stops it running as init but allows the -shim and libpam packages so that logind and the like will work. Or 'systemd-must-die' which conflicts

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: Also, post-upgrade-pre-reboot systems has had issues since forever, No. There have been very few instances in which the system was left in an unusable state after a dist-upgrade, even for desktops. On desktops, upgrades of iceweasel and icedove

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Ben Finney
Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com writes: What about systemd-nogo or nogo-systemd, alternately just no-systemd? I have a ‘no-mono’ package (not hosted anywhere; I welcome contact from anyone who wants to upload it). I would expect ‘prevent-…’ or ‘no-…’ as the name of such packages. --

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-07-01 Thread Paul R. Tagliamonte
+1 :) On Jul 1, 2014 6:39 PM, Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at wrote: On Wed, 02 Jul 2014, Thomas Goirand wrote: I don't think so. I think it encourages to be more easy going, and have fun, but never mind. Let's keep Debian boring^W^Wportland weird. :) +1 Fun is missing, humour even

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-07-01 Thread Wookey
+++ Stefano Zacchiroli [2014-06-30 11:43 +0200]: On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:27:49AM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:42:09AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Thomas Goirand +1 for keeping the name which is funny What's funny about an OS stating publicly that a

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-07-01 Thread Clint Adams
On Wed, Jul 02, 2014 at 01:53:06AM +0100, Wookey wrote: But OK. I get it - this is still too contentious to have any room for this sort of foolishness and if it's to exist at all it'll have to be called something boring. That's a little sad, but we'll all survive. This isn't supposed to be a

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-07-01 Thread Vincent Cheng
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Wookey woo...@wookware.org wrote: +++ Stefano Zacchiroli [2014-06-30 11:43 +0200]: On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:27:49AM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:42:09AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Thomas Goirand +1 for keeping the name

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Russ Allbery
Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com writes: But I think that many sysadmins that are going to upgrade their servers from wheezy to jessie care about this. Indeed. I care very much about ensuring that systemd is installed on my servers, as I think the benefits for servers are at least

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Russ Allbery
Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org writes: Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: Also, post-upgrade-pre-reboot systems has had issues since forever, No. There have been very few instances in which the system was left in an unusable state after a dist-upgrade, even for desktops. On

Accepted terminator 0.97-3 (source all)

2014-07-01 Thread Julián Moreno Patiño
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Accepted scrub 2.5.2-2.1 (source amd64)

2014-07-01 Thread Chen Baozi
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Accepted weboob 0.i-3 (source all)

2014-07-01 Thread Romain Bignon
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Accepted robotfindskitten 1.7320508.406-3.1 (source amd64)

2014-07-01 Thread Chen Baozi
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Accepted rxvt 1:2.7.10-5.1 (source amd64)

2014-07-01 Thread Wookey
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Accepted stella 4.0-1 (source amd64)

2014-07-01 Thread Stephen Kitt
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Accepted ncbi-blast+ 2.2.29-3 (source amd64 all)

2014-07-01 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
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Accepted python-setuptools 5.3-1 (source all)

2014-07-01 Thread Matthias Klose
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Accepted blueman 1.23-git201406261335-deb-1 (source amd64)

2014-07-01 Thread Christopher Schramm
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Accepted fsharp 3.0.34+dfsg-4 (source all)

2014-07-01 Thread Christopher James Halse Rogers
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Accepted an 1.2-1 (source amd64)

2014-07-01 Thread Paul Martin
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Accepted pelican 3.4.0-1 (source all)

2014-07-01 Thread Vincent Cheng
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Accepted libndp 1.3-1 (source amd64)

2014-07-01 Thread Andrew Ayer
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