On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, Thomas Goirand wrote:
Well, I have nothing against derivative/downstream distros, but if
you're about to do a new DEP, please consider Debian first. In such
case, debian/unstable makes a lot more sense than just debian/master.
Like I wrote in another post, master doesn't
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On 08/17/2014 03:52 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
- the above layout is for the traditional case of non-native packages,
what would be the layout for native packages? how can be differentiate
between native/non-native layout?
On 08/17/2014 12:20 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
On 08/16/2014 07:05 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
However upstream may build tarballs through a (hopefully
repeatable/automated) process at release time, publish checksums and
signatures for them, et cetera and
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 01:19:38AM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote:
Stefano Sabatini wrote:
[...]
The list is quite long and debunking each of the statements could take a
lot of time.
I'm going to address two historical misrepresentations:
# The change of management
Michael Niedermayer
On 08/17/2014 03:13 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Hi Thomas,
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Thomas Goirand wrote:
The goal here is to be able to host in the same repository the branches
for
multiple cooperating distributions (at least so that downstream can
clone the debian respository and
Ludovico Cavedon wrote:
I am writing a systemd service file for a daemon (ntopng) and I would
like to know what you think is the best way to load some
configuration.
The ntopng daemon takes multiple interfaces in the format of multiple
-i command-line options. For example.
ntopng -i eth0
On 08/17/2014 11:51 AM, Ludovico Cavedon wrote:
Hi,
I am writing a systemd service file for a daemon (ntopng) and I would
like to know what you think is the best way to load some
configuration.
The ntopng daemon takes multiple interfaces in the format of multiple
-i command-line options.
Am 17.08.2014 10:20, schrieb Thomas Goirand:
On 08/17/2014 01:08 AM, Michael Biebl wrote:
More importantly (at least in my experience): If you are working in a
team and you regenerate the tarball from git, it's very likely that
the md5sum of the generated tarball differs from what has been
Am 17.08.2014 11:38, schrieb Thomas Goirand:
How about teaching systemd that script is sometimes necessary? It's
annoying to write a wrapper, because then, it does a fork to start the
daemon, so the PID changes. Has this been reported upstream? If yes,
what's upstream opinion about it?
I
Am 17.08.2014 05:51, schrieb Ludovico Cavedon:
Hi,
I am writing a systemd service file for a daemon (ntopng) and I would
like to know what you think is the best way to load some
configuration.
The ntopng daemon takes multiple interfaces in the format of multiple
-i command-line options.
Le Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 09:00:57AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
debian/unstable also doesn't follow debian/codename because unstable's
codename is sid. And I really mean that codename is a better choice than
suite (e.g. unstable, testing, stable).
Hi all,
for suites that are never
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 01:40:27 -0700, Josh Triplett
j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
Ludovico Cavedon wrote:
I am writing a systemd service file for a daemon (ntopng) and I would
like to know what you think is the best way to load some
configuration.
The ntopng daemon takes multiple interfaces in
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:05:13 +0200, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org
wrote:
But yeah, such wrapper scripts should be avoided if possible and native
mechanisms used.
Having read quite of system docs in the last weeks to find a way to
key /etc/crypttab keyscript functionality back, I have found that
On 17/08/14 10:38, Thomas Goirand wrote:
I had the same problem as you describe above, even a bit more
complicated because, in what we did, /etc/default/file sometimes
doesn't exist (it's not mandatory in what we did).
EnvironmentFile takes precedence over Environment, and EnvironmentFile
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:17:21 +0200, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org
wrote:
I also happen to notice, that you use a ENABLED=1 flag.
It would be a good idea to deprecate that as well and remove that.
We have better mechanisms nowadays to enable/disable SysV init scripts
(and systemd service files).
Hi Russ,
On 16.08.2014 18:33, Russ Allbery wrote:
All the renaming and cordial co-existence in the world won't change this.
The things that would change this is for one or both projects to develop a
better security track record and a history of higher-quality code releases
that require less
On Aug 17, Ludovico Cavedon cave...@debian.org wrote:
2) instead of doing Exec=ntopng, Exec a script that does the mangling
and then execs ntopng.
If you cannot improve the software enough then this is the best choice.
--
ciao,
Marco
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On Aug 17, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:
Does Debian no longer care about easy updates, or have we accepted
that updating to jessie will be a nightmare anyway and recommend
reinstallation instead?
Yes, I hate users and I want them to suffer.
Quite a number of packages also
On Aug 17, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:
Please. The attitute of requiring Debian maintainers to modify
upstream software instead of having simple two-line extension to an
init script is really unfriendly. Why do only systemd friends keep
recommending this?
Maybe because the
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
Quite a number of packages also refrain from starting the daemon on an
unconfigured newly installed package until the user has configured it.
I guess that this needs to be replaced by native mechanisms (i.e.
implemented as a patch to the upstream
Hi,
3) Teach ntopng to understand /etc/ntopng.conf natively and migrate the
settings there.
4) Teach ntopng to automatically detect the available network devices on
the system (including new ones that show up dynamically) and
automatically handle all of them unless configured to do
On 17/08/14 12:48, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Aug 17, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:
It is not
always possible to come with a working default configuration or to
build one in postinst.
If unconfigured software really cannot fail cleanly then the package can
install it without
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:07:58AM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
First, the archive used by buildds is now publically accessible in
http://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd/. This location provides access
to all recently uploaded packages, split into individual suites, and
provides the
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:03:44PM -0300, Antonio Terceiro wrote:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:07:58AM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
First, the archive used by buildds is now publically accessible in
http://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd/. This location provides access
to all recently
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:48:44 +0200, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
On Aug 17, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:
Does Debian no longer care about easy updates, or have we accepted
that updating to jessie will be a nightmare anyway and recommend
reinstallation instead?
Yes, I
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:14:27 +0100, Simon McVittie s...@debian.org
if ! [ -e /etc/foo.conf ]
then
echo -n (not starting, you need to create /etc/foo.conf)
return 0
fi
if ! grep '^important-option' foo.conf;
looks like a rather common idiom.
Greetings
Marc
--
Marco wrote:
On Aug 17, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:
Please. The attitute of requiring Debian maintainers to modify
upstream software instead of having simple two-line extension to an
init script is really unfriendly. Why do only systemd friends keep
recommending this?
Maybe
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 04:16:01PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
- version encoding (due to git restrictions):
: - %
~ - _
I think I'd prefer to see something like X - _Y where chr(Y) = X and
hex(ord(X)) = Y, e.g.
_ - _5f
: - _3a
~ - _7e
There is probably a more
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
As Charles wrote, pristine-tar works with small tarballs, but when
upstream has multi-megabytes tarballs and releases often, the Git
repository quickly grows to something not manageable.
This does not match my experience at all. I have packaged software
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
As Charles wrote, pristine-tar works with small tarballs, but when
upstream has multi-megabytes tarballs and releases often, the Git
repository quickly grows to something not
Reinhard Tartler siret...@gmail.com writes:
Other than that, I am really curious to learn more about the
fundamental design problems with pristine-tar.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=pristine-tar doesn't
look great, but not too bad either.
The fundamental concern with
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
3) Teach ntopng to understand /etc/ntopng.conf natively and migrate the
settings there.
4) Teach ntopng to automatically detect the available network devices
on the system (including new ones that
Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org writes:
On the other hand, downloading the tarball from the archive is not
automated by any tool afaics.
That means, git-buildpackage will happily re-create the dist tarball
from the upstream branch.
If you are not watching really carefully, this step is very
Am 17.08.2014 20:33, schrieb Ansgar Burchardt:
Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org writes:
It's also very easy to forget this particular caveat when you do
stable-security uploads.
And as the stable-security archive will *not* reject such a tarball, you
can end up with tarballs which have
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:36:22 -0700, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org
wrote:
It's good to be aware of the option to improve the upstream source so that
packaging it is easier and so that it works better for everyone with less
configuration.
I find packaging easier when I work around a limitation in
On 17/08/14 10:28, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 01:19:38AM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote:
Stefano Sabatini wrote:
[...]
The list is quite long and debunking each of the statements could take a
lot of time.
I'm going to address two historical misrepresentations:
# The
On 2014-08-16, Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote:
I believe that most of the current workflows do respect this rule (except
for the case where you only store the debian directory).
I do think that this is quite common, and my preferred way of doing
things. It is easy for newcomers to
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 09:14:47PM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote:
[...]
Ive asked [1][2] back then what policy in place was broken
- you tried to commit code that was blatantly below the already lax
quality requirements (e.g. it contained tabs, it was (and still is) hard
to read, it contains
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 08/17/2014 03:52 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
- the above layout is for the traditional case of non-native packages,
what would be the layout for native packages? how can be differentiate
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 07:57:55PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2014-08-16, Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote:
I believe that most of the current workflows do respect this rule (except
for the case where you only store the debian directory).
I do think that this is quite common, and
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 04:20:34PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
As Charles wrote, pristine-tar works with small tarballs, but when
upstream has multi-megabytes tarballs and releases often, the Git
repository quickly grows to something not manageable.
Only if you're lacking a proper branch
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 01:44:15PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Aug 17, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:
Please. The attitute of requiring Debian maintainers to modify
upstream software instead of having simple two-line extension to an
init script is really unfriendly. Why
Josh,
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 1:40 AM, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
3) Teach ntopng to understand /etc/ntopng.conf natively and migrate the
settings there.
yes, that would be an option. I forgot to add the requirement without
patching upstream code :)
4) Teach ntopng to
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Marc Haber
mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:17:21 +0200, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org
wrote:
I also happen to notice, that you use a ENABLED=1 flag.
It would be a good idea to deprecate that as well and remove that.
We have better
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 08:48:40PM -0700, Ludovico Cavedon wrote:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 1:40 AM, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
3) Teach ntopng to understand /etc/ntopng.conf natively and migrate the
settings there.
yes, that would be an option. I forgot to add the
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 08:48:40PM -0700, Ludovico Cavedon wrote:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 1:40 AM, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
3) Teach ntopng to understand /etc/ntopng.conf natively and migrate the
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 09:24:33PM -0700, Ludovico Cavedon wrote:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 08:48:40PM -0700, Ludovico Cavedon wrote:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 1:40 AM, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org
wrote:
3)
Hi,
the libfreerdp1 package changed its soname without a transition and
without introducing a new package.
That broke binary compatibility of at least remmina and
libguac-client-rdp0 [0].
I expect more rebuilds / binNMUs to be necessary. As I do not find
anything about that triggered by the
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 23:14:33 -0500, Josh Triplett
j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
Why a requirement to not improve upstream? Ideally, the Debian patches
for a piece of software should trend to zero over time, as fixes make
their way upstream.
Imagine an upstream author having the cooperation level
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