Re: OpenCL / handling of hardware-specific packages

2019-07-01 Thread Rebecca N. Palmer
On 01/07/2019 18:10, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: On 19.06.19 09:09, Rebecca N. Palmer wrote: I proposed [0] fixing this by creating a metapackage for "all OpenCL drivers" (similar to the ones for graphics).  However, having unusable OpenCL drivers installed can trigger bugs: [1] i

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-07-01 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Enrico" == Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult writes: Enrico> On 01.07.19 21:06, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: Enrico> Hi, >> IIRC the whole things is actually about crypto stuff. Why don't >> zfs> folks just use the standard linux crypto api (potentially >> in

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 01.07.19 21:06, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: Hi, > IIRC the whole things is actually about crypto stuff. Why don't zfs> folks > just use the standard linux crypto api (potentially introduce a> new algo if the existing ones aren't sufficient) ? Addendum: just had a quick scan throug

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 07.06.19 10:16, Philipp Kern wrote: Hi, > This would not be the case here. But crippling the performance would be> > indeed an option, even though this would make Debian much less relevant> for ZFS deployments and people would just go and use Ubuntu instead. Is it really necessary to to have

Re: AMDGPU+OpenCL with Debian?

2019-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 19.06.19 09:09, Rebecca N. Palmer wrote: Hi, > I proposed [0] fixing this by creating a metapackage for "all OpenCL > drivers" (similar to the ones for graphics).  However, having unusable > OpenCL drivers installed can trigger bugs: [1] in llvm, and some > applications that treat "no hardware

Re: scratch buildds

2019-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 15.06.19 11:20, Helmut Grohne wrote: Hi, > Unlike the ${dist}-proposed variant, the scratch distribution can be set> up > entirely outside Debian. It only needs someone doing the work with no> involvement of DSA. Wait, this reminds me of something. Luca Falavigna> put up debomatic-${arch}.deb

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 01.07.19 15:09, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 03:04:26PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult > wrote: >> On 29.05.19 17:41, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: >> Perhaps we should update policy to say that the .orig tarball may (or even "should") be generated from an

Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 28.06.19 23:42, Ian Jackson wrote: >https://wiki.debian.org/GitPackagingSurvey > > Unfortunately due to bugs in the Debian and Wiki CSS styles, it is > displayed very suboptimally unless you log into the wiki and set your > style to "Classic". (I have filed bug reports.) Very nice work.

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format [and 1 more messages]

2019-07-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Picking just two examples: Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult writes ("Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format"): > I think for each supported upstream version there should be ... Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult writes ("Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format"):

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 29.05.19 23:39, David Bremner wrote: >> Also, how do you move to a new upstream version ? > > use git merge, typically from an upstream tag, or from a debian specific > upstream branch with tarballs imported on top of upstream history. Uh, that creates an pretty ugly, unreadable git repo and

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-07-01 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 03:04:26PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > On 29.05.19 17:41, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > >> Perhaps we should update policy to say that the .orig tarball may (or > >> even "should") be generated from an upstream release tag where > >> applicable. > > Th

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 29.05.19 17:41, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: >> Perhaps we should update policy to say that the .orig tarball may (or >> even "should") be generated from an upstream release tag where >> applicable. > This conflicts with shipping tarball signatures. Does that really need to be the upstream's tarb

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 29.05.19 15:14, Ben Hutchings wrote: > Perhaps we should update policy to say that the .orig tarball may (or > even "should") be generated from an upstream release tag where > applicable. ACK. But there should also be some definition or at least guideline on what is considiered "applicable" (o

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 02.06.19 16:22, Sam Hartman wrote: >> "Nikolaus" == Nikolaus Rath writes: > > > Yes, but the lack of similarity is the thing I find interesting. > In git-pdm (and git-debrebase), you retain all the rebases and stitch > them together with various pseudo-merges into a combined history. > >

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 02.06.19 00:57, Ian Jackson wrote: Hi, > The difficulty with this as a collaboration approach is that you can't > tell whether a rebase is "the newest", at least without a lot of > additional information. That additional information is the "clutter" > if you like which the "cleaner" history d

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 29.05.19 14:47, Sam Hartman wrote: Hi, > I'm certainly going to look at dck-buildpackage now, because what he > describes is a workflow I'd like to be using within Debian. :) Maybe you'd also find that useful: https://github.com/metux/deb-pkg It's a little tool for automatically creating wh

Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-07-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon McVittie writes ("Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format"): > The precise names of the branches are not immediately relevant to > GitPackagingSurvey: it's the content of those branches that matters. Thanks for this mail which I think will be very helpful. > From ht

Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-07-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format"): > What it doesn't say is how changes to the upstream files are > represented. Can you explain ? Also: I had hoped that the table's focus on particularly these questions: - representation of changes to upstre

Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-07-01 Thread Ian Jackson
Andreas Tille writes ("Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format"): > On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 10:42:29PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Thanks to everyone who responded. I (with some help from Sean and > > some review from Sam) have worked the answers into a wiki page: > > >

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 29.05.19 13:50, Ian Jackson wrote: Hi, > Oh. I think I have misunderstood. I think you are describing a git > workflow you use as a *downstream* of Debian, not as a maintainer > *within* Debian. Yes, something like that. I'm maintaining additional repos for certain projects, usually backpor

Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-07-01 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 at 07:30:39 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > I admit I did not joined the dgit discussion - may be that's the reason > I can not really match the branches that are used in Perl team policy > > https://perl-team.pages.debian.net/git.html#repository_layout > > (which is used b