Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 3/17/20 3:21 AM, James McCoy wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 11:06:11AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> The rationale behind that suggestion is that the vim package is becoming more >> and more complex and hence more prone to build failures as can be seen from >> the current build lo

Re: DFSG of disk image with contrib package

2020-03-16 Thread Richard Laager
On 3/16/20 12:25 PM, Emmanuel Kasper wrote: > For extended functionality, I build some of the disk images with a > package from contrib, namely virtualbox-dkms Could you use KVM (and if necessary, libvirt) instead? -- Richard signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Geert Stappers
On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 07:40:40PM -0400, Peter Silva wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:27 PM Guus Sliepen wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 01:02:47PM +, Wookey wrote: > > > > > I hadn't realised how fat nano is (not the only consideration of > > > course, but zile is very good on this measu

Bug#954124: ITP: legacy-api-wrap -- Legacy API wrapper for python keyword APIs

2020-03-16 Thread Diane Trout
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Diane Trout * Package name: legacy-api-wrap Version : 1.2 Upstream Author : Philipp Angerer * URL : https://github.com/flying-sheep/legacy-api-wrap * License : GPL-3+ Programming Lang: Python Description : Legacy

Bug#954123: ITP: python-get-version -- A version helper in the spirit of versioneer

2020-03-16 Thread Diane Trout
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Diane Trout * Package name: python-get-version Version : 2.1 Upstream Author : Philipp Angerer * URL : https://github.com/flying-sheep/get_version * License : GPL-3+ Programming Lang: Python Description : A versi

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread James McCoy
On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 11:06:11AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > The rationale behind that suggestion is that the vim package is becoming more > and more complex and hence more prone to build failures as can be seen from > the current build logs [1] I'd love any help fixing the test fa

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Peter Silva
so maybe we just add nano-tiny as an option to vim-tiny. because we understand vim is not newbie friendly, but for all the old hands, nano is not friendly to us. 234K is a small price to pay. On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:27 PM Guus Sliepen wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 01:02:47PM +, Wookey w

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 01:02:47PM +, Wookey wrote: > I hadn't realised how fat nano is (not the only consideration of > course, but zile is very good on this measure and surprisingly > functionfull). You are comparing apples with oranges! The nano package comes with a lot of help files and t

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Russ Allbery
"Andrew M.A. Cater" writes: > +1 for nvi - it's a very good editor of last resort. nvi is orphaned both upstream and in Debian and is quite buggy (probably all minor stuff or less common stuff like non-ASCII support, but I wouldn't count on it given the code). I would not recommend it unless so

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On 16/03/2020 12:15, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Hi Thomas! On 3/16/20 12:31 PM, Thomas Pircher wrote: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: I would like to suggest to replace vim-tiny with nano as the default minimal editor installed with debootstrap and therefore debian-installer. Would yo

Re: DFSG of disk image with contrib package

2020-03-16 Thread Michael Lustfield
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 18:25:17 +0100 Emmanuel Kasper wrote: > Am I right in keeping these disk image as "contrib", or I am > overcomplicating by keeping these multiple disk image builds ? Yes, this seems logical. It matches how we handle other packages; if it requires non-free to build, then it's

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 12:45:35 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: >On Mar 16, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > >> > Agreed: this is a very good idea since I really think that every default >> > install must provide something enough vi-compatible. >> I'd disagree. vi is very newbie unfriendly. OTOH I expect people

DFSG of disk image with contrib package

2020-03-16 Thread Emmanuel Kasper
Hi I am building debian disk images for the Vagrant tool, distributed at https://app.vagrantup.com/debian/ For extended functionality, I build some of the disk images with a package from contrib, namely virtualbox-dkms Due to having this virtualbox-dkms from contrib, the disk images are labelled

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 08:28:19 -0400, Boyuan Yang wrote: > P.S. Anyone know why we did not use the vanilla vi at the very beginning? Bill Joy's AT&T Unix vi wasn't Free Software when Debian started, so 1990s Debian had to use a Free clone like elvis, nvi or vim. According to Wikipedia, the BSDs u

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Simon Richter
Hi Wookey, On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 01:02:47PM +, Wookey wrote: > If we are thinking about minimal editors, zile is a good candidate: no > deps, remarkably small and functional. The main advantage of nano over vi and zile is that it shows you how to save and exit, always, so it is a safe choi

Re: RFS: fonts-jetbrains-mono/1.0.3-2 [ITP] -- free and open-source typeface for developers

2020-03-16 Thread Romain Porte
Hello, I am requiring your mentorsip help to publish this package. I have received some feedback from Adam, but not much since then. Our discussion about the package can be followed on the ITP bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=952954 The package has been released to -2 Debia

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Wookey
On 2020-03-16 12:42 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Mar 16, Thomas Pircher wrote: > > > Would you consider nvi as an alternative to vim-tiny? It is quite small > Maintainer: Debian QA Group > Installed-Size: 1.605 kB > > I think that busybox still wins. If we are thinking about minimal editors

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Thomas Pircher
Boyuan Yang wrote: > At least someone please adopt nvi first... we cannot introduce a > package into d-i without a maintainer [2]. > > Besides, nvi does not have an active upstream. Ack; or use busybox, as others suggested in the thread.

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Boyuan Yang
Hi, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 于2020年3月16日周一 上午8:15写道: > > Hi Thomas! > > On 3/16/20 12:31 PM, Thomas Pircher wrote: > > John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > >> I would like to suggest to replace vim-tiny with nano as the default > >> minimal > >> editor installed with debootstrap and therefore deb

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hi Thomas! On 3/16/20 12:31 PM, Thomas Pircher wrote: > John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> I would like to suggest to replace vim-tiny with nano as the default minimal >> editor installed with debootstrap and therefore debian-installer. > > Would you consider nvi as an alternative to vim-tiny? I

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 16, Thomas Pircher wrote: > Would you consider nvi as an alternative to vim-tiny? It is quite small Maintainer: Debian QA Group Installed-Size: 1.605 kB I think that busybox still wins. > A user who does a lot of editing will probably install a better editor > than {vim-tiny,nvi} anyway

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 16, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > > Agreed: this is a very good idea since I really think that every default > > install must provide something enough vi-compatible. > I'd disagree. vi is very newbie unfriendly. OTOH I expect people that Even if this were true (using vi is one of the most basic

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Tomas Pospisek
On 16.03.20 12:29, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Mar 16, Simon McVittie wrote: > >> `busybox vi` is rather limited, but is reasonable as an editor of last >> resort; busybox is smaller than either nano or vim-tiny; full systems > Agreed: this is a very good idea since I really think that every default

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Thomas Pircher
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > I would like to suggest to replace vim-tiny with nano as the default minimal > editor installed with debootstrap and therefore debian-installer. Would you consider nvi as an alternative to vim-tiny? It is quite small and is functional enough to edit the occasiona

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 12:29:51 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Mar 16, Simon McVittie wrote: > > > `busybox vi` is rather limited, but is reasonable as an editor of last > > resort > > Agreed: this is a very good idea since I really think that every default > install must provide something enou

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 16, Simon McVittie wrote: > `busybox vi` is rather limited, but is reasonable as an editor of last > resort; busybox is smaller than either nano or vim-tiny; full systems Agreed: this is a very good idea since I really think that every default install must provide something enough vi-comp

Re: FTP Team -- call for volunteers

2020-03-16 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Scott, On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 10:43:33PM +, Scott Kitterman wrote: > As long as there are people involved, a certain amount of it is > inevitable. Putting it in the requirements is bowing to reality. The > FTP Team sometimes has to make unpopular decisions and it's inevitable > that peop

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 11:06:11 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Thus, my suggestion would be to replace vim-tiny with nano in the list of > essential packages Neither vim-tiny nor nano is Essential. They are currently both Priority: important, which I think means debootstrap will usuall

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread Tomas Pospisek
On 16.03.20 11:06, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > I would like to suggest to replace vim-tiny with nano as the default minimal > editor installed with debootstrap and therefore debian-installer. +1

Re: FTP Team -- call for volunteers

2020-03-16 Thread Enrico Zini
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 05:41:38PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > The fact is that given the length of time packages can wait for NEW > processing and the amount of effort package maintainers put into > packaging, it is understandable that they would be frustrated at the > rejection of a packa

RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-16 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hello! I would like to suggest to replace vim-tiny with nano as the default minimal editor installed with debootstrap and therefore debian-installer. The rationale behind that suggestion is that the vim package is becoming more and more complex and hence more prone to build failures as can be see

Pracuj w domu: bazy danych biznesowych

2020-03-16 Thread Michał Skiba
Witaj, Kiedy jest najlepszy moment na organizację pracy, przygotowanie nowych akcji do Klientów, dotarcie do nowych firm i osób? Właśnie teraz - teraz jest wreszcie czas na zaplanowanie tych działań. I jest to także najwyższy czas, bo jak wszystko wróci do normy to będzie już za późno. Nie sz

Bug#954068: ITP: metview-python -- Python(3) wrapper to the Metview package

2020-03-16 Thread Alastair McKinstry
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Alastair McKinstry * Package name: metview-python Version : 1.1.2 Upstream Author : European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF) * URL : https://github.com/ecmwf/metview-python * License : Apache-2 Program

Re: FTP Team -- call for volunteers

2020-03-16 Thread Tomas Pospisek
On 14.03.20 22:41, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 09:18:48PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: >> Hi debian-project and ftpmaster folks, >> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 01:37:59PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: >>> - cope well with flames in response to your decisions >> >>> - after tr