Re: authbind (LD_PRELOAD) and multiarch

2011-12-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Goswin von Brederlow writes (Re: authbind (LD_PRELOAD) and multiarch): Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: What does fakeroot do? My first idea would be to fail early and provide a useful error message. fake(ch)root sets

Re: Bug#652275: Guided partitioning should not offer separate /usr, /var, and /tmp partitions; leave that to manual partitioning

2011-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 07:32:35PM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote: On 16.12.2011 18:38, Joey Hess wrote: Christian PERRIER wrote: I'm inclined to follow this advice and would indeed propose that the atomic partman-auto recipe is kept, however without a

Re: Bug#652275: Guided partitioning should not offer separate /usr, /var, and /tmp partitions; leave that to manual partitioning

2011-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le samedi 17 décembre 2011 à 17:42 +0800, Thomas Goirand a écrit : I do recommend a separate /usr to anyone. It's *not* safe to say that, and I know many people that agree with me. To me, it has, and still is, the best choice. You have no rights to

Re: Bug#652275: Guided partitioning should not offer separate /usr, /var, and /tmp partitions; leave that to manual partitioning

2011-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au writes: On Sun, 18 Dec 2011, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Doing this has many advantage. Like, if your laptop has to unexpectedly reboot (like when you inadvertently removed power cord when batteries were not plugged, which happens often in

Re: Bug#652275: Guided partitioning should not offer separate /usr, /var, and /tmp partitions; leave that to manual partitioning

2011-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes: On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 06:48:53PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org writes: I disagree; I think it leads to a significant burden. Having /var separate requires pre-determining an appropriate size

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Darren Salt li...@youmustbejoking.demon.co.uk writes: I demand that Ben Hutchings may or may not have written... On Sat, 2011-12-17 at 20:42 +, Philip Hands wrote: We're now debating what, if any, effort we should make to continue to support running init scripts without /usr mounted.

Re: many packages fail to build twice in a row again

2011-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net writes: On 20/12/11 at 23:16 +, brian m. carlson wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 09:36:47PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 20/12/11 at 22:01 +0200, Peter Eisentraut wrote: With recent dpkg(-source) changes, many packages are again failing to

Re: many packages fail to build twice in a row again

2011-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: Le Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:01:44PM +0200, Peter Eisentraut a écrit : With recent dpkg(-source) changes, many packages are again failing to build twice in a row, because of uncommitted upstream changes. Fixing this was a lenny release goal, maybe it

Re: Bug#652275: Guided partitioning should not offer separate /usr, /var, and /tmp partitions; leave that to manual partitioning

2011-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org writes: On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 06:48:53PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org writes: spools (/var/spool/mail), large websites in the default location (/var/www), or large databases (/var/lib/postgresql or similar

Re: authbind (LD_PRELOAD) and multiarch

2011-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: On Mon, 12 Dec 2011, Ian Jackson wrote: * I will need to arrange for the same LD_PRELOAD setting to load the correct libauthbind for each arch. So I guess I do LD_PRELOAD=libauthbind.so.1 rather than supplying an absolute path, and trust

Re: Bug#652275: Guided partitioning should not offer separate /usr, /var, and /tmp partitions; leave that to manual partitioning

2011-12-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org writes: On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:13:55PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org writes: Russ Allbery wrote: Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org writes: In all of the recent discussions about separate /usr partitions

Re: Getting dh_install to do what we need

2011-12-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes: Gergely Nagy wrote: At the moment, I have something that works like this: , | #! /usr/bin/dh-exec-install | # The next one will simply echo it back to dh_install | source-file /dest-dir/ | | # This one will copy the file itself, following similar

Re: Binary blobs in source packages

2011-12-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Koch tho...@koch.ro writes: Hi, I just made a fool of myself on the simple-build-tool list by claiming that Debian would build scala without scala. I only checked debian/rules and debian/control and since scala is in main, I assumed that I must be right. However scala comes with a

Re: Bug#652011: general: Repeated pattern of FHS violation: Dependencies of /sbin and /bin, belong in /lib

2011-12-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Zachary Harris zacharyhar...@hotmail.com writes: My understanding of the FHS would be that if a library is a dependency of a binary in /bin or /sbin, then such library belongs in /lib, not /usr/lib. (If for some reason the library is also desired in

Bug#652011: general: Repeated pattern of FHS violation: Dependencies of /sbin and /bin, belong in /lib

2011-12-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:53:24PM -0500, Zachary Harris wrote: I could be wrong, but my (admittedly stereotyped) impression of the standard use cases is that if you've got someone who DOES want to mount /usr separately from / (e.g. over NFS or

Re: RFC/RFR: dh-exec -- Scripts to help with executable debhelper files

2011-12-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gergely Nagy alger...@madhouse-project.org writes: Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Well, thanks for making my point. Implementing these (useful) features in debhelper would be less pain to write and less eyesore for looking at the implementation. Perhaps. But the executable thing

Re: Bug#652275: Guided partitioning should not offer separate /usr, /var, and /tmp partitions; leave that to manual partitioning

2011-12-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org writes: Russ Allbery wrote: Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org writes: In all of the recent discussions about separate /usr partitions, most people seem to acknowledge them as unusual, special-purpose configurations, even those who use them. To the extent

Re: Getting dh_install to do what we need

2011-12-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu writes: Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de writes: So, in this case, the difference is negligible, both can be trivially understood. However, it gives more flexibility to the maintainer, to do more complex stuff, if so needs be. But, that won't

Re: Red Hat is moving from / to /usr/

2011-12-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Reinhard Tartler siret...@debian.org writes: On Mo, Dez 12, 2011 at 05:36:41 (CET), Karl Goetz wrote: [...] The initramfs on the other hand is made to fit. So if /usr isn't on a networking filesystem (NFS) then you won't get networking stuff in the initramfs. No raid then mdadm isn't

Re: Work-needing packages report for Dec 9, 2011

2011-12-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de writes: But there is no way to find bugs taged help given a skillset. So unless you specifically think Lets fix something in grub today and go looking for grub bugs tagged help you never find them. Say today you

Re: Red Hat is moving from / to /usr/

2011-12-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Darren Salt li...@youmustbejoking.demon.co.uk writes: I demand that Stephan Seitz may or may not have written... On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 11:34:34AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: Actually, Red Hat's goal *is* to support a separate /usr, they just want to have the initramfs mount it. But as was

Re: Work-needing packages report for Dec 9, 2011

2011-12-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de writes: Maybe we also need a different need help system where it is easier to find something fun and usefull to do on a rainy day. Something where RFHs for small jobs can be added with some tags for required skill

Re: Getting dh_install to do what we need

2011-12-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gergely Nagy alger...@madhouse-project.org writes: Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de writes: Compared to writing overrides, it's less effort. Compared to just writing the variable and expecting it to work, it's two commands more. I believe that's not much. On the other hand, though

Re: Getting dh_install to do what we need

2011-12-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org writes: [Kees Cook] This doesn't work with source-format-1 packages without adding chmod lines for the scripted debhelper config files in the rules file. Perhaps this isn't a big deal since we should all be using source-format-3 anyway. We should? I prefer

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Stephan Seitz stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net writes: On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 08:21:30AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: As I mentioned I have a bug open (in the grml bug tracker) about providing a grml.deb. That would install an image in /boot and add itself to the bootloader. The small grml

Re: Work-needing packages report for Dec 9, 2011

2011-12-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no writes: I've always (well, since they were introduced) thought about the RFH bugs as either «we're now starting a team effort to fix up $package, please come and help» and more commonly: «I'm stuck maintaining this

Re: Red Hat is moving from / to /usr/

2011-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Philip Hands p...@hands.com writes: On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:00:35 +, Simon McVittie s...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 at 01:43:34 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=12a362be5c1982f80dbfb75bda070208a2c99cdf Discuss. As

Re: Red Hat is moving from / to /usr/

2011-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: On Dec 07, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote: Give everyone at least 10 years headstart to migrate existing systems away from having a seperate /usr partition and for people to stop making a seperate /usr on new installs. Actually, Red Hat's

Re: Red Hat is moving from / to /usr/

2011-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Igor Pashev pashev.i...@gmail.com writes: 07.12.2011 04:43, Marco d'Itri пишет: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=12a362be5c1982f80dbfb75bda070208a2c99cdf Discuss. I don't see any reason to move all into /usr from /, and make initrd for minimal system:

Re: Getting dh_install to do what we need

2011-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: On Wed, 07 Dec 2011, Josselin Mouette wrote: So, to sum it up. Before, you would do in debian/rules: sed s/@DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH@/${DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH}/ debian/libfoo.install.in debian/libfoo.install Now, you will do in debian/foo.install:

Re: Getting dh_install to do what we need

2011-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Arno Töll deb...@toell.net writes: Your own script-fu in debian/rules or external scripts isn't exactly the next best thing to read and learn how a foreign package works and there /are/ use cases where dh_install isn't flexible enough to deal with the problem by using the possibilities you

Re: Red Hat is moving from / to /usr/

2011-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Stephan Seitz stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net writes: On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 10:25:07AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: I guess mounting /usr is no more complicated than mounting / in initramfs. Finding out what modules and software is needed for that should be the same code

Re: Getting dh_install to do what we need

2011-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Arno Töll deb...@toell.net writes: Hello, On 08.12.2011 10:44, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Or for the more general case: override_dh_auto_install: debian/libfoo.my-install-script [..] This new feature stinks of black-box magic that will make people crazy trying to find/fix

Re: Red Hat is moving from / to /usr/

2011-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Igor Pashev pashev.i...@gmail.com writes: Goswin, thanks for the explanation. Now I'm inclined to move all to /usr :-) We live to serve. :) I'm kind of undecided. I know eventualy this will just work and have eliminate all those Hey, I have a strange setup and xyz needs to be in / for this

Re: Getting dh_install to do what we need

2011-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gergely Nagy alger...@madhouse-project.org writes: Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 10:07:12PM +0100, Gergely Nagy wrote: Kees Cook k...@debian.org writes: Which means I can't use DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH in the config-scripts, unfortunately. Not to worry!

Re: Getting dh_install to do what we need

2011-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de writes: On 12/07/2011 11:47 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: Now that we’ve made incredible progress in terms of obfuscation, I’d appreciate if we could have a working solution that does not require scripting for the most trivial operations. So what remains?

Re: Getting dh_install to do what we need

2011-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gergely Nagy alger...@madhouse-project.org writes: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes: Disclaimer: I didn't write any multiarch packaging (yet). The incentive for doing all this seems to be multiarch. Why instead don't we have a mechanism to have variables in debian/*.install instead,

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: Some people also argued that they would be more comfortable with a smaller root file system which can act as a rescue system, but I am not sure about which tools they would miss from an initramfs with busybox and fsck. lvm, dmsetup, mdadm, crypto stuff

Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

2011-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com writes: Hi, Just a quick side-note. ... The main technical difficulty seems to be platforms where it is common to boot without an initramfs (for example, if it is hard to reconfigure the bootloader and the bootloader is already set up to use a plain

Re: Red Hat is moving from / to /usr/

2011-12-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=12a362be5c1982f80dbfb75bda070208a2c99cdf Discuss. -- ciao, Marco Give everyone at least 10 years headstart to migrate existing systems away from having a seperate /usr partition and for

Re: FTBFS bugs against binary packages

2011-12-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wolodja Wentland babi...@gmail.com writes: Hello, we are seeing an increasing number of users in #debian-next asking about FTBFS bugs that are reported by apt-listbugs during upgrades. Most of those users are not familiar with acronyms such as FTBFS or if these bugs apply to their setup.

New sections and frontend behaviour [Was: Re: New sections]

2011-12-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Joerg Jaspert jo...@ganneff.de writes: metapackages, which is for metapackages so that apt can do special handling on them. On IRC Joerg mentioned that transitional packages could/should also go to the metapackages section. The reasoning being that both metapackages and

Re: Distribution and support for Debian-502-i386-netinst

2011-12-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Philipp Kern tr...@philkern.de writes: On 2011-12-02, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote: I also support this and think it is a really good idea. But please keep x.y.z-1 around and easily accessible when x.y.z is released. You can jigdo any old CD image. It's just netinst that

Re: Lintian ERROR saying dpatch is obsolete

2011-11-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Martin Wuertele m...@debian.org writes: * Paul Wise p...@debian.org [2011-11-29 03:33]: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:  - Custom patch commands, as already discussed.  Yes, we should get rid of   them, but that doesn't make it easy to convert them.  -

Re: Lintian ERROR saying dpatch is obsolete

2011-11-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Alexander Wirt formo...@debian.org writes: Jon Dowland schrieb am Montag, den 28. November 2011: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:54:57PM +0100, Alexander Wirt wrote: And I still like the never touch a running system approach. If dpatch works without problems, why deprecate it? One reason

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matthias Klose d...@debian.org writes: On 11/19/2011 11:42 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: The i386 architecture was the first in Linux and in Debian, but we have long since dropped support for the original i386-compatible processors and now require a minimum of a 486-class processor. I think it

Re: How to manage/document C dependencies?

2011-11-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Koch tho...@koch.ro writes: Hi, I'm currently discussing with Jitsi[1] what they could do to make packaging feasible. On the java site they'll now probably use Ivy to document and manage their java dependencies. But they also have a lot of dependencies to C libraries. These are

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Guillem Jover guil...@debian.org writes: Hi! On Sat, 2011-11-19 at 22:42:11 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: The i386 architecture was the first in Linux and in Debian, but we have long since dropped support for the original i386-compatible processors and now require a minimum of a 486-class

Re: Towards multi-arch: Multi-Arch: same file conflicts

2011-11-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org writes: [Jakub Wilk] If a package is marked as Multi-Arch: same, files with the same name have to be (byte-to-byte) identical across all architectures. Unfortunately, not all packages obey this requirement. [libsvn-java 1.6.17dfsg-2+b1]

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adrian Knoth a...@drcomp.erfurt.thur.de writes: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 08:40:47AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hi! 6. DMP/SiS Vortex86 and Vortex86SX. These supposedly have all 586-class features except an FPU, and we could probably keep FPU emulation for them. FWIW, I do

Re: Distribution and support for Debian-502-i386-netinst

2011-11-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes: On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:48:24 +, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 05:59:59PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:43:32 +, Adam D. Barratt a...@adam-barratt.org.uk wrote: but the kernel team

Re: Distribution and support for Debian-502-i386-netinst

2011-11-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: Marc Haber wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:26:33 +, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: I can't imagine why you would expect this to work. I wouldn't. The site was just surprised by the point release and did notice the deployment failure well

Re: bits from the DPL for October 2011 and others

2011-11-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hi, this isn't quite on topic and you are just the last in a long list of bits from xyz but I think it has to be said: Thanks for keeping us informed. I think this year has been the most informative ever, at least that is how it feels to me. So to you and all the others please do keep up the

Re: Distribution and support for Debian-502-i386-netinst

2011-11-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de writes: Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: Marc Haber wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:26:33 +, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: I can't imagine why you would expect this to work. I wouldn't. The site was just surprised by the point

Re: Distribution and support for Debian-502-i386-netinst

2011-11-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 09:08:17PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:00:26 +0100, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote: For example: you download the current point release, burn it to a CD preparing to install a bunch of servers the

Re: Simplifying bootstrap on circular-dependent packages

2011-11-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Chow Loong Jin hyper...@ubuntu.com writes: On 16/11/2011 18:12, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: [...] How do you intend to build that fake lib? I guess it comes down to getting a list of symbols on an existing architecture (or from the symbols file?), creating a void symbol; stub for each

Re: /tmp as tmpfs and consequence for imaging software

2011-11-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:56:40AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes: As touched on in the bug report, I think that being able to store 1.2GiB on /tmp is an unrealistic expectation. To qualify, I mean

Re: /tmp as tmpfs and consequence for imaging software

2011-11-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Salvo Tomaselli tipos...@tiscali.it writes: I think the problems you describe are quite uncommon. Yes, there are use cases where tmpfs for /tmp isn't the best solution but I think most people do not place 1.2GB files in their /tmp and benefit greatly from tmpfs. I thought DVD burners were

Re: /tmp as tmpfs and consequence for imaging software

2011-11-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Richard richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk writes: On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:21:47 +0100 Didier Raboud o...@debian.org wrote: Salvo Tomaselli wrote: I think the problems you describe are quite uncommon. Yes, there are use cases where tmpfs for /tmp isn't the best solution but I think most

Re: /tmp as tmpfs and consequence for imaging software

2011-11-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Chow Loong Jin hyper...@ubuntu.com writes: On 16/11/2011 22:45, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: Given that any burning software can (approximately) determine what size the ISO file will be, it should really not start to write it in /tmp when the /tmp size is not big enough (which the software can

Re: /tmp as tmpfs and consequence for imaging software

2011-11-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com writes: On 16/11/11 11:37, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Assuming you have increased your SWAP by the size of the tmpfs to compensate for /tmp now using RAM+SWAP you can only ever get that effect in cases where the OOMKiller would have already been

Re: /tmp as tmpfs and consequence for imaging software

2011-11-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Salvo Tomaselli tipos...@tiscali.it writes: While amazon.com cloud may have small RAM and large disks, many mainframes are opposite (ie, IBM big blue, japan's world simulator). And many new PCs may become that way: no spin :) Maybe not! I think we are focusing a bit too much on super

Re: Distribution and support for Debian-502-i386-netinst

2011-11-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 06:39:28AM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 04:10 +, Cherukuri, Shravan Kumar wrote: I have an image of Debian-502-i386-netinst-iso which I burned to a CD and tried to install the OS. Old netinst

Re: /tmp as tmpfs and consequence for imaging software

2011-11-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au writes: On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote: With a filesystem it will write the dirty buffers to disk in the background and then drop the clean pages from the cache quite consistently. This leaves the code involved with moving

Re: Simplifying bootstrap on circular-dependent packages

2011-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Daniel Ruoso dan...@ruoso.com writes: I have been thinking about the bootstrapping of pakages lately. I am involved in bootstrapping a partial system -- no kernel and no libc -- for some architectures for internal use. And I just thought that we could use one trick to help in the bootstrap of

Re: Release goal proposal: Archive-wide build-arch and build-indep support

2011-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Niels Thykier ni...@thykier.net writes: On 2011-11-05 21:22, Niels Thykier wrote: Hi, I would like to propose the goal of getting archive-wide support for the optional debian/rules targets build-arch and build-indep. The intention is to finally solve issues like #619284 and the goal is

Re: Can't get rid of diff-contains-substvars warning

2011-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ole Wolf w...@blazingangles.com writes: I have a problem building a package properly. From a clean build, sources-only (debuild clean; debuild -S), I get the lintian warning that the diff-contains-substvars in one of the packages that are built: W: vellemaninstrumentation source:

Re: /tmp as tmpfs and consequence for imaging software

2011-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes: On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 04:04 +0100, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: On 12/11/11 23:25, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le samedi 12 novembre 2011 à 23:12 +0100, Samuel Thibault a écrit : Adam Borowski, le Sat 12 Nov 2011 23:08:08 +0100, a écrit :

Re: /tmp as tmpfs and consequence for imaging software

2011-11-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes: On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:24:00PM +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: Recently debian put /tmp under tmpfs. Even if it increase reponsivness under desktop, it ruin completly sciene and imaging software that do some off loading on /tmp. For instance

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Yaroslav Halchenko deb...@onerussian.com writes: Thank you John for extending my argument with adequate references which I have swallowed while composing my question email. And if we are after reading FHS /usr/lib section: /usr/lib includes object files, libraries, and internal

Re: Description-less packages file

2011-11-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Joerg Jaspert jo...@debian.org writes: I just merged a patch from Ansgar to generate the Packages files without the English description embedded inside them. Instead they are now written into a new file, the English Translation file in main/i18n/Translation-en.bz2. They thus appear alongside

Re: Sharing data between maintainer scripts and debian/rules

2011-11-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes: We've a few native packages which handle data in package-specific directories under /var/lib/. It would be convenient to specify the name of this directory in debian/rules as a -D define to the compiler (because it's native) and then pass that into

Re: A debian/rules target to rebuild pre-built stuff?

2011-11-14 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes: Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes: If they use AM_MAINTAINER_MODE and it's disabled [1], there's no way to check if they aren't in DFSG and/or GPL violation by shipping sourceless code. Forbidding it would at least deal with patching autotools

Re: Multiarch in Debian unstable

2011-07-27 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 09:53:26AM +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote: But for now, the resume is that we put it into the sysadmin’s hand to install nss packages for all architectures he thinks his users want to run binaries on? Yes, that's the only

Re: build self-contained repository for offline use

2011-07-27 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Thanks all for the replies. I checked out apt-zip, apt-offline, aptoncd, CDD and apt-clone. None of them really suited my needs, as I want to generate this repository automatically, and want to do a

Re: Short question how to avoid creating one of two binary packages from source

2011-06-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com writes: Hi, Tried to google but did not find any useful so far. I have a package I'm porting, and want to create one out of two binary packages from the source. Is there an easy way to achieve this, e.g. by an override statement. Or is brute force,

Re: Behaviour of dpkg-source with 3.0 (quilt) and VCS and automatic patches

2011-06-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Scott Kitterman deb...@kitterman.com writes: On Wednesday, June 01, 2011 10:26:59 AM sean finney wrote: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 02:39:42PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: And note that as maintainer or for the VCS copy you can allways configure debian/soruce/local-options to unapply

Re: Behaviour of dpkg-source with 3.0 (quilt) and VCS and automatic patches

2011-06-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Guido Günther a...@sigxcpu.org writes: On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 11:11:30AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Scott Kitterman deb...@kitterman.com writes: On Wednesday, June 01, 2011 10:26:59 AM sean finney wrote: On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 02:39:42PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote

Re: Behaviour of dpkg-source with 3.0 (quilt) and VCS and automatic patches

2011-06-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: Le Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 11:11:30AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : apt-get source foo work on package debuild test # Optionally: Just to be nice and fill out the header # This would be improved by the --record-changes discussed earlier

Re: Behaviour of dpkg-source with 3.0 (quilt) and VCS and automatic patches

2011-06-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Stefano Rivera stefa...@debian.org writes: Hi Scott (2011.06.02_16:30:13_+0200) Keeping local_options in a VCS is a bit of a workaround for this ... I'd really like to have a way to just control this globally on my system. +1 to that. Esp for team-maintained packages where people have

Re: Behaviour of dpkg-source with 3.0 (quilt) and VCS and automatic patches

2011-06-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Scott Kitterman deb...@kitterman.com writes: If 3.0 (quilt) didn't apply patches by default I'd have no reason not to just use it. Keeping local_options in a VCS is a bit of a workaround for this, but it seems wrong to have a persistent diff between what's in the VCS for a package and

Re: Behaviour of dpkg-source with 3.0 (quilt) and VCS and automatic patches

2011-06-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org writes: * Scott Kitterman deb...@kitterman.com [110531 14:36]: For some of us (me anyway), applying patches when unpacking a source package is just the wrong kind of automagic. I'd like to have patches applied when I say they should be applied. Please

patch splitter [Was: Re: Behaviour of dpkg-source with 3.0 (quilt) and VCS and automatic patches]

2011-05-31 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Joachim Breitner nome...@debian.org writes: Hi, Am Sonntag, den 29.05.2011, 11:26 +0200 schrieb Josselin Mouette: But it still happens that those patches are generated[1] when the maintainer did not expect any change at all. That's why we added the option --abort-on-upstream-changes

Re: patch splitter

2011-05-31 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Joachim Breitner nome...@debian.org writes: Hi, Am Dienstag, den 31.05.2011, 09:18 +0200 schrieb Goswin von Brederlow: Joachim Breitner nome...@debian.org writes: BTW, for all who create patches this way and want to later split the patch into two logically independent patches, I am

Re: Behaviour of dpkg-source with 3.0 (quilt) and VCS and automatic patches

2011-05-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org writes: Hi, Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org (29/05/2011): from time to time I hear some rumblings about how 3.0 (quilt) mixes badly with VCS. Indeed, one of the primary goals of the format was to not require prior knowledge of the patch system to be able

Re: Behaviour of dpkg-source with 3.0 (quilt) and VCS and automatic patches

2011-05-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: Hello, from time to time I hear some rumblings about how 3.0 (quilt) mixes badly with VCS. Indeed, one of the primary goals of the format was to not require prior knowledge of the patch system to be able to modify a package. And it's the case since

Re: packaging-dev meta package

2011-05-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michael Banck mba...@debian.org writes: On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 02:20:48PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 04:52:38PM -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Benjamin Drung bdr...@debian.org wrote: Recommends or Suggests: cdbs cmake My

Re: Getting good bug reports

2011-05-27 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Goswin von Brederlow writes (Re: Getting good bug reports): Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: The reason why there is a problem with an http submission interface is that suddenly every idiot will think oh I must write

Re: Getting good bug reports

2011-05-27 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Fernando Lemos fernando...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Patrick Strasser patrick.stras...@tugraz.at wrote: [...] Why not use some simple non-HTTP-protocol on port 80? That tends to break transparent proxying. If port 80 is the only one you have open, chances are

Re: Getting good bug reports

2011-05-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Brian May writes (Re: Getting good bug reports): [ explanation of how reportbug is broken right now ] We could solve this if we can avoid the slippery slope problem. Or to put it another way, I would have no objection to an http

Re: Getting good bug reports

2011-05-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Goswin von Brederlow writes (Re: Getting good bug reports): So everyone is allowed to write a frontend to report bugs via smtp. But only reportbug is allowed to use http? That seems a bit stupid. No-one _wants_ to write a frontend to report

Re: double checking Debian's 686-pae vs. -486 probe

2011-05-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
jida...@jidanni.org writes: Say, for the sake of sharing a single .deb offline, what bad thing might happen if I run the -486 kernel on my other machines where I could run the -pae kernel? Namely other single Celerons having the pae capability. Nothing happens. You just won't be able to use

Re: Conditional Recommends

2011-05-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
David Kalnischkies kalnischk...@gmail.com writes: environment. I can already hear someone asking for Package: libc6 Recommends: libc6-686 {arch::supports:cmov} which soon evolves to a complete language in which you really need all the funky stuff like and | and ! together with hard/soft

Re: double checking Debian's 686-pae vs. -486 probe

2011-05-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
jida...@jidanni.org writes: RC == Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au writes: RC Why not just install the other kernel and try booting it? Maybe it will lead to subtle data loss. You never know. That's why I was hoping to dig out of the .debs just how they determine which Thinkpads are hip,

Re: How to solve race condition between IPv6 ifup and start of services?

2011-05-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes: On Sun, 22 May 2011 00:29:35 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote: (c) Modify ifupdown to notice when additional IP addresses come up (or go away) and run the ifup.d (ifdown.d) scripts for it. One would need an ifupdownd

Re: Conditional Recommends

2011-05-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org writes: On 2011-05-21 21:41, Ian Jackson wrote: Simpler than this, and simpler than constructions involving negations (which would be very troublesome for the resolution algorithms), would be: Package: A-plugin-B Depends: A, B Recommended-When:

Re: Conditional Recommends

2011-05-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org writes: and secondly, this is easily abusable by third-package maintainers and even packages from completely different, non-Debian repositories: Package: some-package Depends: gnome Recommended-When: gnome Third-party repositories have

Re: Using -Werror in CFLAGS for a debian package build

2011-05-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
peter green plugw...@p10link.net writes: (note: this message quotes from multiple mails by different people) WouterFirst and foremost, I do not believe that setting -Werror in a Wouterdebian/rules file is the best way to maintain a package; -Werror is a Wouterdevelopment option which should

Re: bug reporting workflow is outdated

2011-05-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Pedro Larroy pedro.lar...@gmail.com writes: Hi I think expecting having a working smtp on laptops, workstations, etc, is unreasonable these days. And you don't. See docs or other mails. I suggest that we can make an HTTP based bug reporting method. The only advantage of this would be for

Re: How to solve race condition between IPv6 ifup and start of services?

2011-05-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes: Hi, with the increasing deployment of IPv6 I begin to see an issue icreasingly often: When an interface is configured for IPv6, it takes a few seconds before the IPv6 address actually becomes available. Services that are started in this time

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