Re: glibc: causes segfault in Xorg

2011-05-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Aurelien Jarno writes: > Le 04/05/2011 14:06, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : >> a nice behaviour, it would be way better to print >> a warning and fallback to a correct behaviour. Users can then report the >> problems without experiencing a non working-application. > > Printing a warning on a thing t

Re: glibc: causes segfault in Xorg

2011-05-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam Borowski writes: > On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 12:42:16AM -0500, Steve M. Robbins wrote: >> I'm with Linus on this: let's just revert to the old behaviour. A >> tiny amount of clock cycles saved isn't worth the instability. > > I'd instead propose to sacrifice a tiny amount of cycles to check f

Re: Debian rolling: tentative summary

2011-05-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josselin Mouette writes: > Le lundi 02 mai 2011 à 19:31 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : >> To those users that want newer software my next question would be "What >> software?". My feeling there is that it is only some software, allways >> the same sof

Re: Multiarch, policy and cross-compiler libraries for non-Debian architectures

2011-05-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek writes: > On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 06:09:17PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Also the libc6-msp430-dev:all and libc6-dev:msp430 packages will both be >> using /usr/inlcude// and already trigger the problem you >> fear. > > No, libc6-msp430-dev wo

Re: Debian rolling: tentative summary

2011-05-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Pierre Habouzit writes: > On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 01:31:31PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Since I already sent too many mails in the 'rolling' discussion, I >> decided to send one more. Here is an attempt at a summary of what was >> said so far. It might not be complete, it's proba

Re: wanna-build / how to sort packages on buildds?

2011-05-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh writes: > I just wanted to add that if you would like more statistics reporting > for this purpose, I'll be happy to add that to sbuild. Currently we > only really report build time and disc space. If you want additional > data such as number of cores used, memory/swap usage and oth

Re: wanna-build / how to sort packages on buildds?

2011-05-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ingo Jürgensmann writes: > On Sun, 1 May 2011 01:36:38 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > >> Sometimes we have a few packages we don't want to build on a certain >> buildds. Sometimes this is because this package needs lots of ram. Or >> it takes quite long and would waste the parallel building a mac

Re: [RFC] Changing APT to pre-depend on ${shlibs:Depends}

2011-05-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek writes: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 06:48:22PM +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote: >> > "We might some day later change the way apt works for upgrades" is not an >> > argument for adding a pre-dependency now. > >> But that we do want to prevent a broken APT -- when using the common >>

Re: Multiarch, policy and cross-compiler libraries for non-Debian architectures

2011-05-02 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek writes: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 10:46:40PM +0100, Wookey wrote: >> I expect the multiarch paths to replace the 'traditional >> cross-compiling' paths in due course for all target architectures, >> including ones that aren't Debian-suported (i.e currently >> mingw-whatever-you-cal

Re: Multiarch, policy and cross-compiler libraries for non-Debian architectures

2011-04-27 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Stephen Kitt writes: > On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 16:51:53 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:29:39PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> > I would rather add a new architecture to dpkg for this. This does not >> > mean that debian has to create a ne

Re: Multiarch, policy and cross-compiler libraries for non-Debian architectures

2011-04-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Stephen Kitt writes: > Hello, > > Now that multiarch is here, I've been wondering whether and how it applies to > cross-compiler libraries for non-Debian architectures, for example Microsoft > Windows (I'm the new maintainer of mingw-w64). As I understand it, multiarch > wasn't intended for non-D

Re: Only forbid use of old alternatives to /run in wheezy+1?

2011-04-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Edward Allcutt writes: > On Sat, 16 Apr 2011, Roger Leigh wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 05:58:19PM +0100, Edward Allcutt wrote: >>> I suggest: >>> - on upgrade, bind mount or symlink /run/init -> /lib/init/rw >>> - on boot, after mounting /run, mkdir /run/init; ln -s /run/init >>> /lib/ini

Re: Static libraries in development packages

2011-04-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Steve M. Robbins" writes: > On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 09:55:34AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Given the cost that involves and that nobody has screamed about it in >> the last 10 years I would opt for rephrasing it to "as needed". The >> would

Re: Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh writes: > On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 09:35:53AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> To me that reads like you will mount a tmpfs on /tmp if root is >> read-only even if RAMTMP is not set. Which is wrong if the system has a >> /tmp filesystem in /etc/fstab. >

Re: Static libraries in development packages

2011-04-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Steve M. Robbins" writes: >> As I've come to understanding, nowadays many libraries doesn't allow >> trivial static linkage, > > I don't follow; it's generally as simple as using -static on > the link line. Pretty trivial. Which a) might not be simple to get the build system to do and b) is fa

Re: Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh writes: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 04:41:56PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Roger Leigh writes: >> >> > If it wasn't already clear, having /tmp as a tmpfs is a >> > /configurable option/, and it is /not/ the default (except whe

Re: Request for testing: /run and initscripts

2011-04-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Edward Allcutt writes: > On Fri, 15 Apr 2011, Roger Leigh wrote: >> This I really don't get. There was no error reported, and we're using >> this logic: >> >> if [ ! -L /var/run ] && [ -d /var/run ]; then >>echo "guest environment detected: Migrating /var/run to /run" >>( # Remove /run f

Re: Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell" writes: > I'm reading (can't spend allot of time though, I'll try) > initscripts_2.88dsf-13.3_amd64.deb > sysvinit_2.88dsf-13.3.dsc > > I'm thinking (I'm not sure) that Bastien is working on this. He'd > mentioned issues between sysinit and runn

Re: Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh writes: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:44:08AM +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 4:20 AM, Karl Goetz wrote: >> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:32:42 +0100 >> > Roger Leigh wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 12:38:03PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: >> > >> >> Follo

Re: Default size limits for /run (/var/run) and /run/lock (/var/lock)

2011-04-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bastien ROUCARIES writes: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 4:20 AM, Karl Goetz wrote: >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:32:42 +0100 >> Roger Leigh wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 12:38:03PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: >> >>> Following the discussion yesterday, I'd like to propose doing >>> something like

Re: i386 ISO also installing kernel for AMD64 (Squeeze)

2011-04-13 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
André Barone Rodrigues writes: > Dear sirs, > I think there's something not entirelly clear to me and perhaps to some other > people, because I couldn't find any solution to my problem. > > I have downloaded an i386 ISO for Squeeze (6.0.1a) and used the same media to > perform installation on 2 d

Re: Shipping /bin/sh [Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?]

2011-04-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bastian Blank writes: > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 11:58:09AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Bastian Blank writes: >> > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 02:18:49AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> >> Here I think we can go one of two ways: >> >> 2) &

Re: Shipping /bin/sh [Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?]

2011-04-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam Borowski writes: > On Sat, Apr 09, 2011 at 11:42:12PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 06:52:41PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: >> > We have the same problem with awk since ages. We should fix both >> > problems together. Therefor I propose the following: >> >> - An esse

Re: Shipping /bin/sh [Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?]

2011-04-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bastian Blank writes: > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 02:18:49AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Here I think we can go one of two ways: >> 2) "bootstrap" scripts are only executed after the owners (Pre-)Depends >> have been unpacked. This would allow base-files

Re: Shipping /bin/sh [Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?]

2011-04-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bastian Blank writes: > On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 06:52:41PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: >> We have the same problem with awk since ages. We should fix both >> problems together. Therefor I propose the following: > > - An essential or pseudo-essential (dependency or pre-dependency from an > essen

Re: Shipping /bin/sh [Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?]

2011-04-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bastian Blank writes: > On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 12:16:02PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Carsten Hey writes: >> > System shells would (de)register themselves by calling add-system-shell >> > in postinst and remove-system-shell in prerm. 'system-she

Re: Bash-completion with triggers

2011-04-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Eugene V. Lyubimkin" writes: > On 2011-04-07 18:15, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Dpkg::Post-Invoke would be the right (best available) one. That would >> call your trigger after every dpkg invocation [...] > > This is not true, 'Dpkg::*-Invoke' script

Re: Bash-completion with triggers

2011-04-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
David Paleino writes: > On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 15:16:20 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > >> You'd better use some apt hook to do the task you envision. A file >> trigger that is activated for a majority of package installation is >> probably better dealt with such a solution. > > Which hook would you

Re: Shipping /bin/sh [Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?]

2011-04-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Carsten Hey writes: > System shells would (de)register themselves by calling add-system-shell > in postinst and remove-system-shell in prerm. 'system-shell' would also > be a virtual package provided by bash, dash and so on. Although I don't How would that work with (c)debootstrap/multistrap w

Re: Bug#620458: base-files: Please make /var/run world-writable and sticky, like /var/lock and /tmp

2011-04-06 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russell Coker writes: > On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: >> sorry for a blunt follow-up -- wouldn't making /var/run writable by >> regular mortals ask for security concerns if an attacker starts >> pre-creating files/pipes trying to steal the communications of >> daemons spawned by

Re: Proposed pre-depends addition: all multiarched libs -> multiarch-support

2011-04-06 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek writes: > On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 11:12:29AM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: >> On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 at 11:12:54 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: >> > On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 12:36:05AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: >> > > Specifically, the plan is that any package in wheezy shipping a runti

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Carsten Hey writes: > Before bash or dash could be made non-essential in a clean way, there > are IMHO various things not mentioned up to now in this thread to fix: > > * Make dash conform to POSIX. dash/sid is not detected as being >a POSIX shell by autotools, which leads to lines like #!@

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Luk Claes writes: > What about Roger's suggestion to have the root account passwordless and > locked with sudo access? Are there other drawbacks to that proposal (is > booting in single user mode covered for instance?)? Then a fsck failure won't give you a shell because you can't input the root

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Lars Wirzenius writes: > * We can perhaps change debhelper to automatically add the > dependency, if it is missing. Since most packages use debhelper, > this might transition most of the packages automatically. I've beend thinking about this a while back when I had a packag

Re: Moving bash from essential/required to important?

2011-04-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek writes: > On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 06:04:20PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > >> bash is not the default system shell anymore. It's now only the default >> user shell. As such it is not required for a sysadmin to boot and >> install software. Besides that some users would like to get rid

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > On Sun, 03 Apr 2011, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: >> > On Thu, 31 Mar 2011, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> >> > /etc/adjtime >> > >> > This needs to survive reboots,

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-04-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Philipp Kern writes: > On 2011-04-03, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> OTOH, do you really want to type >> "apt-get install package-with-policy-compliant-utterly-long-silly-name"? >> There's a point when package name lengths become problematic, and that >> isn't just true for ISO images. > > That's why

Re: How to add "quilt" to an existing package?

2011-04-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michelle Konzack writes: > Note: The "maint-guide" should add a note, on HOW-TO-ADD quilt > to debian/rules. I have done all steps mentioned on > http://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt and it was not working. > I found the hint in another package which was using quilt

Re: Old Release goal: Getting rid of unneeded *.la / emptying dependency_libs

2011-04-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Mathieu Parent writes: > Hi, > > 2011/4/3 Neil Williams : >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00808.html >> > (...) >> >> Let's try and handle the .la file issue across all of Debian. > > dh-make 0.58 install .la files by default > (/usr/share/debhelper/dh_make/debianl/package-dev.

Re: /run support for wheezy?

2011-04-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh writes: > Both of these issues were due to /etc/mtab being inconsistent with > reality. I've now corrected the code to make domtab() behave > identically to domount() to ensure that they are always working > in the same manner. Once /run is established, I wonder if moving > /etc/mta

Re: /run support for wheezy?

2011-04-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michael Biebl writes: > Am 03.04.2011 13:10, schrieb Goswin von Brederlow: >> Roger Leigh writes: >> >>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:20:45PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: >>> 1) /etc/init.d/mountall.sh is broken for some reason. The "mount -a" >&g

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-04-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > On Thu, 31 Mar 2011, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> > /etc/adjtime > > This needs to survive reboots, and it is also needed early in the boot. > It is used to correct the RTC syndrome. > > I am at a loss about how it could be mad

Re: How to add "quilt" to an existing package?

2011-04-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Paul Wise writes: > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Michelle Konzack > wrote: > >> I am working on a bunch of packages and write patches and I know  how to >> use "quilt" but can someone tell me please, how I have to add quit to an >> existing Debian Package which does currently not use quilt b

Re: /run support for wheezy?

2011-04-03 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh writes: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:20:45PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > 1) /etc/init.d/mountall.sh is broken for some reason. The "mount -a" >invocation fails. Not because it fails to mount, but it returns a >32 exit status because / and /proc are already mounted. > >Po

Re: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy

2011-03-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michael Tautschnig writes: > [...] >> • Read-only root >> >> Depends on /run. Having /run will allow remaining writable files >> under /etc to be moved (/etc/mtab, LVM2 cache, CUPS for starters). >> Identifying and fixing/removing packages writing to /etc during >> their normal operat

Re: /run support for wheezy?

2011-03-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tollef Fog Heen writes: > ]] Julien Cristau > > | On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 16:20:10 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > | > | > Given that Fedora are adopting /run, and it has been something > | > we have wanted in the past, is anyone working on implementing > | > /run in Debian? > | > > | > http://thr

Re: new buildd dependency resolution breaks self depends?

2011-03-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Kurt Roeckx writes: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 06:45:50PM +0200, Wesley W. Terpstra wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: >> >> > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 07:54:59PM +0200, Wesley W. Terpstra wrote: >> > > If I may ask, for what purpose do the buildds have a special list o

Re: Meeting Minutes, FTPMaster meeting March 2011

2011-03-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Joerg Jaspert writes: > Additionally we will support new architectures like armhf, sparc64, > powerpc64, sh4 and s390x in case someone does the neccessary > groundwork needed prior to an inclusion, and gets all the needed > preconditions settled. If porters want to discuss inclusion, the

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Metzler writes: > In gmane.linux.debian.devel.general Joey Hess wrote: >> Steve McIntyre wrote: >>> There are uses I've heard about, including (apparently quite common) >>> using CDs and DVDs to seed a mirror on a Windows server. > >> If I had to chose between that working, and not needi

Re: Suggestion to remove (eventually) libtar from Debian

2011-03-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Magnus Holmgren writes: > libtar popped up on wnpp-alert, so I ITAd it, but now I'm having second > thoughts. I've done one upload now though. > > - No new releases since 2003. Upstream hasn't bothered building a dynamic > library, that's a Debian patch (and a corresponding patch in other distr

Re: MBF alert: packages with very long source / .deb filenames

2011-03-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Joey Hess writes: > Steve McIntyre wrote: >> There are uses I've heard about, including (apparently quite common) >> using CDs and DVDs to seed a mirror on a Windows server. > > If I had to chose between that working, and not needing to worry about > filename lengths, I'd choose the latter. > >>

Re: Help identify packages that multiarch support will break

2011-03-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Raphael Hertzog writes: > Hi, > > On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> What is the policy on conffiles under multiarch? Can a Multi-Arch: same >> package have conffiles? Or would that confuse dpkg too much? > > They can have conffiles but obviously the

Re: Cross compiler ITP (armel)

2011-03-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Philipp Kern writes: > On 2011-03-23, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Also does the testing transition consider the Built-Using? If I specify >> 'Built-Using: gcc-4.5 (= 4.5.2-5)' will the package be blocked from >> entering testing until gcc-4.5 (= 4.5.2-5

Re: Help identify packages that multiarch support will break

2011-03-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Raphael Hertzog writes: > [ Bcc to -dpkg for info ] > > Hello, > > since multiarch support in dpkg is on good track, it's about time to > identify what will break when people start using multiarch packages... A while back I already posted about a major problem cases. Specifically packages violat

Re: Cross compiler ITP (armel)

2011-03-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Mark Hymers writes: > On Tue, 22, Mar, 2011 at 01:57:42PM +, Hector Oron spoke thus.. >> Hi Mark, >> >> 2011/3/22 Mark Hymers : >> >> > The current design is the Binary packages can contain an additional >> > control field: Built-Using. >> >> First of all, thanks very much for taking care

Re: Cross compiler ITP (armel)

2011-03-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Mark Hymers writes: > On Mon, 14, Mar, 2011 at 02:04:30PM +, Hector Oron spoke thus.. >> Hi, >> >> 2009/11/2 Mark Hymers : >> > On Mon, 02, Nov, 2009 at 12:43:42PM +, Philipp Kern spoke thus.. >> >> Of course it is a sane approach but very special care needs to be taken >> >> when >> >>

Re: Library depending on -data packages

2011-03-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Jonathan Nieder writes: > (dropped cc's; hopefully that's okay.) > Hi! > > Luca Capello wrote: > >> I see these situations as a misuse of Depends: where Recommends: would >> be perfectly fine, otherwise Recommends: are useless. But given that it >> seems no one agrees with me, is such a behavior

Re: Library depending on -data packages

2011-03-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Simon McVittie writes: > For instance, openarena needs a corresponding version of openarena-data: > if you substitute a data-set in the same format (zipped Quake III-compatible > assets) with non-trivial modifications, it won't be network-compatible, and > might even crash if you don't make corre

Re: ranting vs bug filing (Re: potential MBF: first alternate depends not available in main

2011-03-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Holger Levsen writes: > Hi, > > this is not particulary about unrar or Goswin... > > On Samstag, 19. März 2011, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> No, I truely mean that unrar-free is practically useless. The stoneage >> rar formats it suports have not been in general u

Re: potential MBF: first alternate depends not available in main

2011-03-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Bernhard R. Link" writes: > * Goswin von Brederlow [110318 14:38]: >> And as long as it works I see no reason why a maintainer should not be >> allowed to put the non-free dep first in alternatives if there is a good >> reason. > > Debian makes some promi

Re: Best practice for cleaning autotools-generated files?

2011-03-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Marcin Owsiany writes: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:29:57PM +, Marcin Owsiany wrote: >> How are others doing it? > > Thanks for all the responses (I never expected to start such a big > discussion - it must have been a while since I last read debian-devel), > and especially for the pointer to

Re: potential MBF: first alternate depends not available in main

2011-03-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Bernhard R. Link" writes: > * Goswin von Brederlow [110317 22:10]: >> My metric here is clearly the functionality for the user. > > Being able to modify it or get help with the package (which needs > people being able and willing to look at the source and fix pro

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russell Coker writes: > I recently had a situation where I was doing a backup to a USB flash device > and I decided to install some Debian packages. The sync() didn't complete > until the backup completed because the write-back buffers were never empty! Which is odd because I've used sync() w

Re: Transitional packages with conffiles

2011-03-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ian Jackson writes: > Goswin von Brederlow writes ("Transitional packages with conffiles"): >> Looking into the cause we discovered that the problem is that >> dhcp3-client is now a transitional package that pulls in >> isc-dhcp-client. The new package expect

Re: potential MBF: first alternate depends not available in main

2011-03-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Bernhard R. Link" writes: > * Goswin von Brederlow [110316 01:24]: >> I disagree. If non-free has a superior implementation of a package and >> the user has non-free configured then it should prefer the non-free >> package. > > Superiority is always a qu

Re: quantification of cost of outdated dependencies

2011-03-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Joey Hess writes: > I've been hearing a bit lately about removing dependencies that are no > longer needed for stable upgrade paths. The most common reason seems > that this will make apt need less memory[1]. > > So then, someone must have measured the memory use. Unless this is a > kind of prema

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adrian von Bidder writes: > On Wednesday 02 March 2011 17.02:11 Marius Vollmer wrote: >> - Instead, we move all packages that are to be unpacked into >> half-installed / reinstreq before touching the first one, and put a >> big sync() right before carefully writing /var/lib/dpkg/status. > > Y

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Marius Vollmer writes: > ext Chow Loong Jin writes: > >> Could we somehow avoid using sync()? sync() syncs all mounted filesystems, >> which >> isn't exactly very friendly when you have a few slow-syncing filesystems like >> btrfs (or even NFS) mounted. > > Hmm, right. We could keep a list of

Re: potential MBF: first alternate depends not available in main

2011-03-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Mike O'Connor writes: > On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 09:41:00 -0500, Scott Kitterman > wrote: >> On Wednesday, March 02, 2011 04:53:46 am Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > >> > If you have non-free enabled and install a package from main, it should >> > install the dependencies from main. So you should hav

Re: potential MBF: first alternate depends not available in main

2011-03-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes: > On 02/03/11 04:24, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> It seems to me not worth a mass bug filing. This doesn't seem like >> something >> that would affect user's systems. Is there a rationale for imposing this >> ordering other than puiparts can't deal with it? > > If

Re: re buildd's resolver and package's build deps

2011-03-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh writes: > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 03:36:47PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 05:08:18PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: >> > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 07:42:32PM -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: >> > > I disagree here. >> > > Alternatives in build-* relationships *are*

Re: [buildd-tools-devel] re buildd's resolver and package's build deps

2011-03-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Peter Pentchev writes: > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:45:06AM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:40:52PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: >> > From discussion on IRC earlier this evening, it looks like the most >> > pragmatic approach will be to get the apt and aptitude sbuild >> > r

Transitional packages with conffiles

2011-03-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hi, after this problem came up on irc I thought I would mention it to a larger audience: After upgrading to squeeze the dhcp client suddenly started to overwrite /etc/resolv.conf again while before it was configured not to do so. Looking into the cause we discovered that the problem is that dhcp

Re: Ideas for object-based git-like storage on Linux

2011-02-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh writes: > On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 10:23:00PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: >> Roger Leigh wrote: >> > There are lots of Debian people out there using git, and some of them >> > have expressed interest over the years in having the ability to use >> > git as a filesystem in its own right (#47

Re: Branching changelogs or not

2011-02-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Tille writes: > [Reply-To set to debian-devel] > > Hi, > > on the Debian Med list a discussion about handling changelogs was started[1] > which addressed the following questions: > > 1. What to do with pre-Debian-Release changelogs (if packaging > needed some time and went through

Re: Safe file update library ready (sort of)

2011-02-06 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Shachar Shemesh writes: > On 26/01/11 13:03, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> >> Some things I noticed: >> >> safewrite.h: >> - missing headers, e.g. for mode_t >> > No. That's intentional. I'm assuming the people who will use > safewrit

Re: does aptitude really need to lock the status database when downloading?

2011-02-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Peter Samuelson writes: > [Simon Chopin] >> But I believe what Stanislas mean is to unpack while downloading the >> rest of the packages. I often wondered why it wasn't the case, but >> I've assumed so far that there was probably a reason I just could not >> think of :) > > I think it is because

Re: does aptitude really need to lock the status database when downloading?

2011-02-05 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Stanislav Maslovski writes: > On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 10:00:40AM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Stanislav Maslovski >> wrote: >> > This is possible, however, it is an extra busy work for a user. In any >> > case, I think that holding a lock only for downloadin

Re: there is /usr/lib64 symlink but no /usr/local/lib64

2011-02-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Yaroslav Halchenko writes: > please do not slap me too hard (only so that I feel your warm carrying > touch): > > is there a rationale for: on amd64 Debian systems having > > /lib64 -> /lib > /usr/lib64 -> /usr/lib > > but no similar one for /usr/local/lib64, so that directory > /usr/local/lib64

Re: Upcoming FTPMaster meeting

2011-02-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Philipp Kern writes: > On 2011-02-03, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> * Leaf packages. that is, the possibility of having small packages in >> the archive, without bloating the packages files as a "full package" >> would. Somehow, less information stored for them. Like only "Package", >> "Installe

Re: Misc Developer News (#24)

2011-02-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Stefano Zacchiroli writes: > On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 04:13:55PM +, Philipp Kern wrote: >> > http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRelease >> > (which has not been edited since 2009) >> If you start linking to the wiki, take the right page: >> http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable > > Can the other pa

Re: Misc Developer News (#24)

2011-02-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Paul Wise writes: > squeeze release live microblogging > -- > > The Debian squeeze release will be live microblogged[4] to Debian's > identica account[5]. Several steps of the release process are quite long > and boring, so these quiet periods will be filled wit

Re: Safe file update library ready (sort of)

2011-01-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Hendrik Sattler" writes: > "char buffer[0];" is veeery gcc-specific as the storage size of buffer > is 0. According to the C99 standard: > "6.7.5.2 Array declarators > Constraints > 1 In addition to optional type qualifiers and the keyword static, the [ and >] may delimit an expression or

Re: How to build a 32-bit package in Debian?

2011-01-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam Borowski writes: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:44:02PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Adam Borowski writes: >> > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:49:17AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >> >> Add lib32 packages for the deps. >> >> Actually you need ia

Re: binNMU for Arch: all packages.

2011-01-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva writes: > Hi Goswin. > > Excerpts from Goswin von Brederlow's message of Qua Jan 26 11:28:59 -0200 > 2011: > (...) >> But having some generated html files depend on the exact ghc version >> seems extrem. > > Yes, I don't see the need of adding a Depends: field to -do

Re: Safe file update library ready (sort of)

2011-01-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Hendrik Sattler" writes: > Zitat von "Goswin von Brederlow" : > >> Adam Borowski writes: >> >>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:03:52PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >>>> Shachar Shemesh writes: >>>> > I've pr

Re: Bits from the Security Team (for those that care about bits)

2011-01-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thijs Kinkhorst writes: > * Issues in specific packages > > We further discussed some specific problematic packages. One example is > ia32-libs, which is difficult because it includes 100+ other source > packages. This will be handled better for Squeeze: we'll have to ensure > it's as up to date

Re: Safe file update library ready (sort of)

2011-01-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam Borowski writes: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:03:52PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Shachar Shemesh writes: >> > I've promised to get a library out there, and here it is. The base URL >> > is https://github.com/Shachar/safewrite, and the actual co

Re: binNMU for Arch: all packages.

2011-01-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bastian Blank writes: > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: >> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:21:52 +0100, Stéphane Glondu wrote: >> > Le 15/01/2011 11:29, Philipp Kern a écrit : >> > > Arch:all binNMUing will only work if you keep the invariant of >> > > version(arch:al

Re: How to build a 32-bit package in Debian?

2011-01-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam Borowski writes: > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:49:17AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Steve M. Robbins wrote: >> >> > What is the recommended course of action for such a package? >> >> For now: build on a 32-bit system or in a 32-bit chroot. >> >> Other optio

Re: squeeze will have googleearth-package

2011-01-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Petter Reinholdtsen writes: > [Ben Hutchings] >> I think the plan was that any firmware package that is available >> during installation and that satisfies a firmware request will get >> installed. However, I have not worked on this and I don't know what >> has actually been implemented. > > At

Re: Safe file update library ready (sort of)

2011-01-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Shachar Shemesh writes: > Hi all, > > I've promised to get a library out there, and here it is. The base URL > is https://github.com/Shachar/safewrite, and the actual code is at > https://github.com/Shachar/safewrite/blob/master/safewrite.c > > This is not a formal release just yet (plus one func

Re: Safe file update library ready (sort of)

2011-01-26 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ian Jackson writes: > Shachar Shemesh writes ("Re: Safe file update library ready (sort of)"): >> I'm sorry, it might be me, but I fail to see the overlap between the >> functionalities of safewrite vs. userv. The premises for safewrite is >> that a program wants to make sure data integrity is

Re: apt-diff: a tool to diff filesystem content against APT

2010-12-14 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tristan Schmelcher writes: > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Goswin von Brederlow > wrote: >> Osamu Aoki writes: >> >>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:06:45AM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 1

Re: apt-diff: a tool to diff filesystem content against APT

2010-12-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Osamu Aoki writes: > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:06:45AM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 12:52:28PM -0800, Tristan Schmelcher wrote: >> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Goswin von Brederlow >> > wrote: >> > > Tr

Re: FOSDEM 2011, second CfT

2010-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst writes: > Hi, > > At the end of September, I called for talk submissions for the FOSDEM 2011 > distributions miniconf. Unfortunately, to date, the number of > submissions (from Debian and other distributions alike) has been > abysmally low. It would be a shame if the two rooms whi

Re: apt-diff: a tool to diff filesystem content against APT

2010-12-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tristan Schmelcher writes: >> how does it deal with configurations generated in postinstall? > > Only files shipped by a package (i.e., appear in its .list file) can be > diff'ed, so if a configuration file was generated from scratch in a > postinst then apt-diff can't show a diff for it. But it

Re: Full install/removal/upgrade test results available

2010-11-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
On 17/11/10 at 16:07 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > So, that one is an interesting case, and there are several occurences of > this. It might be a problem in APT. What happens is that, if you install > cimg-dev on lenny, and then upgrade to squeeze, cimg-dev gets removed. > But after the upgrade, yo

Re: Full install/removal/upgrade test results available

2010-11-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russ Allbery writes: > "brian m. carlson" writes: >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 01:41:49PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >>> Goswin von Brederlow writes: > >>>> Also note that no frontend has ever made use of §7.6.2 and handled >>>> upgrading o

Re: Full install/removal/upgrade test results available

2010-11-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
David Kalnischkies writes: > Before you ask, no, debian has no way to say: "this package is obsolete - > its fine that it will be removed as other packages take care of its tasks." > The closest thing to that is §7.6.2, but i doubt that this is really such > a drop-in replacement in your case. >

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