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#268697.
For woody the recommend way was to use dselect, but this is an
interactive command so I could not use it in an automated test
framework.
dselect accepts command-line parameters too, but I don't know if that
would be sufficient.
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yesterday) that it WOULD be
necessary to separate non-free into auto-buildable and not if anything
is going to be auto-built. Given the increased importance of non-free
post-sarge this seems like a good idea.
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You might be right for iSNS though. I don't know.
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On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 11:13:55AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 11:22:51PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
Given some options:
1. Don't distribute the firmware blob at all;
2. Provide a way to download the blob during install (while admitting
this won't work
* less or more on non-free
software? (Depend is the key word.)
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question or not, why don't you answer the question?
The DFSG says that's the wrong question to ask. The question to ask
is how it helps our users to have free firmware instead of non-free.
How about no firmware instead of non-free firmware?
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On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 11:09:21AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
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On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 12:50:46AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
What I meant is that if the firmware is truly burned into the chup,
then I couldn't change it even if I had
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You don't have that freedom now. Your PC is full of firmware that you
don't have source to, probably can't change and probably can't recompile
anyway. It's your motherboard BIOS
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Please don't rehash old arguments. Nobody has argued that we should put
non-free packages into main, but we don't agree on what is free and what
isn't for all types of packages
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On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 05:37:02PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
Do you have any arguments for this that do *not* basically reason
backwards from we want this stuff to be in main
. Freedom for freedom's sake, etc.
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don't agree on what is free and what
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Please don't rehash old arguments. Nobody has argued that we should put
non-free packages into main, but we don't agree on what is free and what
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, but we're at 32 months now and counting.
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On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 10:53:57PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 09:56:05AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 12:00:23PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
But why would you spend over 1000
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 04:39:21PM +0100, Thiemo Seufer wrote:
Hamish Moffatt wrote:
Most work for embedded systems would be cross-compiled from faster
systems anyway.
The price for that is a serious lack of testing. Debian stable provides
known good binaries.
I didn't mean that we
faster
systems anyway.
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because a buildd went down for an extended period, but I do recall some
(m68k) having problems simply because of lack of processing power.
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But then we say aich not haich here.
An FAQ, too (not a fack).
An SQL server, not a sequel server (my pet hate).
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:59:34AM +, Will Newton wrote:
On Thursday 17 March 2005 03:16, Florian Zumbiehl wrote:
[snip]
An FAQ, too (not a fack).
An SQL server
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 01:47:22PM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 11:34:58PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
As you well know, the problem was that the buildds were run by
non-developers for whom we have no trust relationship, not that they
were being run
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 02:30:32PM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
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So, you call me not trustworthy, [...]
No. I said you aren't trusted, not that you aren't trustworthy.
Those are quite different things. As I am not the DAM
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their wishes.
As you well know, the problem was that the buildds were run by
non-developers for whom we have no trust relationship, not that they
were being run by a developer unofficially.
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How do you propose to 'ban' someone from d-d?
Never stopped Bruce Perens. He had people on 'digest' mode, where their
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On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 08:15:13PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Given how low hamradio (and the like) are prioritised, I suggest that we
get smarter about 'tesing' and omit some sections on some architectures.
I don't think those sections
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:37:56AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:49:34AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
Given how low hamradio (and the like) are prioritised, I suggest that we
get smarter about 'tesing' and omit some sections on some architectures.
Frankly
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:00:52AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
* Hamish Moffatt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050314 01:55]:
Given how low hamradio (and the like) are prioritised, I suggest that we
get smarter about 'tesing' and omit some sections on some architectures.
We won't omit some sections
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Multiarch.
I have yet to see a proposal how to do multiarch in the right way.
Is there even a demonstrated need?
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architectures?
The packages will still be built and d-i maintained as long as there are
porters interested in doing that work for the architecture. The only
difference is that those architectures won't influence testing and they
won't be officially released.
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 12:06:18PM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
* Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-14 23:00]:
But really, is there much benefit in making *releases* for the SCC
architectures?
For some SSC arches, it *might* not make a difference (possibly m68k)
but others (e.g
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 01:17:03PM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:00:22PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
But really, is there much benefit in
making *releases* for the SCC architectures?
What will happen is something like this:
A: Oh, let's see what we got
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 01:33:16PM +0100, Thiemo Seufer wrote:
Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 10:10:32AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
All the work and support over all those years by all those users and
porters
will be vanished with that stupid idea, imho.
Ingo
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 10:42:50PM +1000, Alexander Zangerl wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:30:20 +1100, Hamish Moffatt writes:
OK, that makes sense. Can you buy those architectures new? (Surely yes
in the case of s390 at least, probably mipsel also as the mips CPU
manufacturers are alive
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:05:58PM +1000, Alexander Zangerl wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:49:44 +1100, Hamish Moffatt writes:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 01:33:16PM +0100, Thiemo Seufer wrote:
For anyone who uses Debian as base of a commercial solution it is a
requirement. Grabing some random
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 02:41:35PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote:
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 01:33:16PM +0100, Thiemo Seufer wrote:
For anyone who uses Debian as base of a commercial solution it is a
requirement. Grabing some random unstable snapshot
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 04:27:50PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
Hi, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
especially given the requirement that you need = 2 buildds.
I consider that requirement to be not warranted, and indeed unjustified.
I would like to hear the rationale for the requirement
architectures are ready. Is that acceptable?
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arm hasn't been empty in over 3 weeks, and it's getting worse still.
s390 is also rising steeply.
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-critical. But do we need to
actually make those packages critical for release? For zero users?
Having half your packages prioritised last in the build queue is rather
insulting to be honest..
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be the easiest thing to do.
arm doesn't appear to be catching up. New packages are being uploaded at
least as quickly as they're being built. My package geda-gschem has not
really changed its placement in the last week; actually I think it's
slipped further down the list.
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[...]
Usual example of why random people should not be writing licenses.
Do upstream developers find our arrogance endearing?
(Specifically yours.)
How embarassing.
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On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 07:52:57AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 02:29:33PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
Why do the build servers install all the dependencies only to find out
that some installed versions are insufficient for the build?
Because the current buildd
On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 12:51:16PM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
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Bastian Blank worked on a database that handles all these build-deps on
the
central wanna-build replacement. The idea is to give out just those
On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 12:50:02PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 02:29:33PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
Is the problem that you use apt-get to install the current version, and
then check what you got? Because you can't tell apt-get to install
at least version X
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 12:33:24AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Dropping some archs would only have one benefit. There would be mirror
space to include amd64.
Well, that's quite a compelling reason. It's embarassing that amd64 won't
be official in sarge.
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Is the problem that you use apt-get to install the current version, and
then check what you got? Because you can't tell apt-get to install
at least version X else fail?
Hamish
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Why is pure virtual bad? Why not fix the bugs that make it bad?
Hamish, feeling like a broken record.
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On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 02:24:34PM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote:
Currently, the priority was not so high to get it uploaded since NEW is
on hold.
Is it? Did I miss the memo?
Hamish
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it by hand when
I found that udev was preventing X from starting. :-(
I am yet to submit a report; my bad.
Hamish
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and offensive.
Unfortunately it's par for the course with your posts here.
Even worse, nobody was even rude to SR, ESC - he simply
misinterpreted what was being said.
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to be the exact upstream version without being a particular debian
revision.
Any suggestions for the best approach?
Hamish
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