apt-src - some ideas

2002-11-29 Thread Jon Kent
Hi, apt-src, good start, really like the fact that it figures out dependancies and creates .deb file once complete and is fairly easy to use. However, there are some things I would like to see added at some point if possible: 1) Option to compile dependances as opposed to automatically

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-29 Thread Jon Kent
OK, howzabout some useful links that show that although Debian may be losing some users, which is still a shame, it perhaps not as bad as some would think. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=3614 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=24417 The first link shows a poll done a while ago

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-29 Thread Jon Kent
--- Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: debianplanet.org has stuff like this (incidentially and only because I'm yeh I know but not as easy to use as Gentoo's are IMHO. BTW I agree with you regarding CD images. Gave up in the end trying to download and order CDs from Linux Emporium instead.

Re: apt-src - some ideas

2002-11-29 Thread Jon Kent
--- Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Option to compile dependances as opposed to automatically downloading the dependant packages. I believe that apt-build can do this. Unfortunatly, Ok, I haven't looked at apt-build yet. 2) Option to add additional compile flags to gcc.

deb-src

2002-11-28 Thread Jon Kent
Hi, been playing with deb-src to see how it works. Interesting little utility. I noticed when it started the old ./configure that the arch was set to i386, but I prefer to have this set to my arch. I can't find anything in the docs that says if this is possible or not, anyone have any ideas?

Re: apt-src (was deb-src!)

2002-11-28 Thread Jon Kent
Hi, apt-src? yup, sorry shouldn't write mail and do other stuff @ the same time. Don't fool with the Debian architecture name. It might be better to install pentium-builder instead. got that installed I pretty sure. Actually I was talking rubbish about it building against i386 arch,

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Kent
Right I'm more awake now, its was late a night went I sent my last mail. A special thanks to Matt for his reply ;-) Right lets make this clear, I'm not here to push Gentoo, I was originally responding to the original question, is Debian losing users to Gentoo? Rather than bother arguing the

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Kent
--- Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we. don't. have. a. working. installer. for. sarge. how hard is that to comprehend? Thanks for the witty reply but thats why I suggested a _point_ release, OK, its not the same as a major release, comprehend!!! A point release is. not. sarge.

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Kent
OK I have enough of this for the moment, do what you feel is right but I'm not convinced that some of the directions things are going are for the benefit of Debian, the blinkers seem to well and truely attached to some people. To the people here who at least replied in a polite manner, thanks,

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Kent
--- Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Multiple exclamation marks,' he went on, shaking his head, 'are a sure sign of a diseased mind.' (Terry Pratchett, Eric) Indeed, or someone who trying to convey that they are annoyed. | A point release is. not. sarge. stable does not

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Kent
--- Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it doesn't. It shows that the most frequently viewed distribution pages on distrowatch.com are: I did say they were not great figures, just interesting, but I expect this sort of comment from you. If you had lived through a stable Debian

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-26 Thread Jon Kent
--- Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 01:58:25PM -0800, Jon Kent wrote: try to paint Debian as relatively unpopular. I don't see what your objective is, other than to start and prolong pointless arguments. What distrowatch tries to achieve is gauging

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-25 Thread Jon Kent
OK, I think I can add something to this little chain mail as I use both Debian and Gentoo. Why do I do that? Well, Debian is great and all and I use it on servers etc, but on my workstation I want alot more control that Debian can, or probably ever can, give me. As an example, I don't want or

Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-25 Thread Jon Kent
Chaps, Another thing I must say is that I object in the highest order some the mail sent out regarding this topic which basically say good riddance to the users who have switch to Gentoo as they caused loads problems etc etc. This is short sighted and I hope the people (idiots??) who said this

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-25 Thread Jon Kent
Hi, Releases tend to be out of date. But that's a feature: releases need to be composed of well tested stable packages. testing and unstable have pretty up to date packages. So Debian is as up to date as you want; the caveat being that for newer software, you'll need to put up with

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-25 Thread Jon Kent
--- Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Releases tend to be out of date. But that's a feature: releases need to be composed of well tested stable packages. testing and unstable have pretty up to date packages. This is true, but is not considered stable, hence the

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-25 Thread Jon Kent
--- Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 01:53:10PM -0500, Daniel Burrows wrote: That assumes that the runtime dependencies are a subset of the build dependencies and their recursive dependencies. Imagine a program that displays its output with gv: it

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-25 Thread Jon Kent
Never ask a Gentoo user that question. The answer is always one of the following: 1) I don't care 2) What's S/390? I really don't care ;-), when I am or 99.999% of Debian users ever gonna get near a S/390, high end Sun kit sure, but S/390 pls. Jon

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-25 Thread Jon Kent
Never ask a Gentoo user that question. The answer is always one of the following: 1) I don't care 2) What's S/390? I really don't care ;-), when I am or 99.999% of Debian users ever gonna get near a S/390, high end Sun kit sure, but S/390 pls. Jon

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-25 Thread Jon Kent
Hi, --- Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, volunteer your time and start packaging xserver-xfree86-experimental, if you think that's feasible. Just because the X maintainer chooses to give priority to keeping architectures in sync doesn't mean that it's not possible to provide