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CCed to debian-devel because I'm wondering if this way of handling bug reports
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rmless to follow such bugs management policy. So I would be interested to
know if such policy is endorsed by debian developers in general. If so, then
please update the BTS docs about the tags so bugs submitter knows easily that
their reports will easily go to limbo unread.
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> To demostrate how much this issue is stupid, i'll make any one here
> happy by including the entire upstream changelog in
> changelog.Debian.gz, next time i'll build a new upstream.
Is this mature?
You still did not answer to the question: is it too much
e changelog is
useful. That your choice. But apparently many people disagree with
you.
You have an easy solution: follow the 4. of the Debian social
contract ( http://www.debian.org/social_contract ).
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o have and snmpd package.
A good description, IHMO, should not be based on assumptions on the
popularity of something. Because a description should be meaningful
for everyone, shouldn't it?
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Debian changelog is for Debian changes only: everybody agrees.
But a bug filled in Debian BTS fixed upstream is a partially a Debian
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> sender.
I think you missed the point: tagging mails is fine to everybody but
not blocking/discarding/bouncing mails (that can be done later, by
user, with their procmailrc).
So as only tagging will be done, no bandwidth will be
Pentium II
generation seems completely foolish. I hope I misunderstood your
message.
> [1] 90% of statistics are made up on the spot.
90% of meaningless statistics, you mean?
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optimized binaries for people that run recent hardware (asked by some
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Shouldn't it also be published on the logo page?
A favicon is a usual image, you can simply take and resize
openlogo-nd-25.png a little (to 48*48 for instance).
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> > doesn't hang like NS though.
>
> There are some sites that still require Netscape 4.77. A good example is
> an online banking site here in Belgium, which 'supports' Linux, but you
> need to use Netscape to be able to use that site.
With the curren
;m pretty sure that people using kmail are happy to have a GUI to
configure their mail account, for instance.
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better approach, IMHO, is to convince this third party to
publicize its code. As a "Linux lover", I'm sure you understand that a
reason of the success of this kernel is the way the code is
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ograms should I defer, lest e.g. messages get trunc
Maybe a meta-package with appropriate depends could do the job?
I must admit that your mail just brought me to notice the presence of
mailutils, while I was using mailx too.
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this instead:
>
> apt-get install `apt-cache search gnu | sed 's/ .*//'`
Hum, the point is not to fetch every gnu packages but to fetch gnu
versions for installed pacakges.
Note that with apt-cache search gnu, I get for example:
kile, kmrml, mhc, zsh-beta-doc, zsh-doc
END { print sum }' fichier
gawk -F: '{ print $1 }' /etc/passwd
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> On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 12:42:28PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> > Great, for a default application...
> > (ok, man mawk...)
> >
> > I wonder what makes the following more convenient for a default
> > applica
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d coming up, I may not.
At http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?group=make , I searched with search
tool, on bugs, the string "*** Virtual memory exhausted" and it
returned me two bugs.
The first one is the #3117. As comment for this bug, we have "This bug
is a duplicate of Bug #1517, which has been fixed. See that bug report
for a patch.".
So, maybe the patch you are looking for is there:
http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=1517&group_id=71
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correctly understood Daniel Ruoso message, he already knows that,
he noticed it. He is apparently asking for an explanation, maybe for a
schedule. He is apparently not especially looking for GNOME2 but just
a complete GNOME, whatever its version.
Will GNOME2 be soon completely available
thing... well task-gnu-only will include the Hurd,
> won't it? ;)
Aside from the joke, we are talking about a package available also for
Debian GNU/_Linux_, aren't we?
The name task-gnu-only seems misleading. From what we said previously,
it should be something like task-gnu-when-it-exists.
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hen bar happens. Closes: #12345
> > * wrapper script rewritten to not use $$ in tempfile names. Closes: #12345
> >
> > Please, everyone remember, a changelog documents *changes*. It's not a tool
> > to close bugs automatically.
>
> This is bullshit.
>
>
ug has been fixed.
>
> On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 17:46, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> > This approach surely don't raise the level of Debian.
> > Maybe *you* do not care of the details about the bug you reported. But
> > a Debian developer is entitled, normally, to provide informati
Ross Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté :
> On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 14:18, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> > > We've gone through this many times already. Upstream changes should
> > > not be documented in the Debian changelog, even if they fix bugs in
> > > th
& dpkg -i satan_1.1.1-18.deb
would you like to include that satan-installer script in contrib?
It's almost how works flashplugin-nonfree.
http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/flashplugin-nonfree.html
So I do not agree that "Contrib is a ok place for installers". While
basically these installer are free software, it's a little bit
hypocritical to claim that these package contains free software.
Finally, someone who install the contrib flashplugin-nonfree get on
his computer a non-free software, possibly without even noticing it,
because he never seen a dependancy against a package in non-free.
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> Em Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:48:46 +0200, Pierre Machard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 02:23:40PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> > [...]
> > > So I do not agree that &qu
ous reason why some proprietary software get a
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non-free? For instance, why the non-free flashplayer does not get a
true debian package in non-free, to benefit truly of the debian tools.
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> Op di 02-09-2003, om 17:46 schreef Mathieu Roy:
> > So, is there any obvious reason why some proprietary software get a
> > "installer" package in contrib instead of a debian package in
> > non-free? For instan
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It must be possible to remove an installer without removing the
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> > good on the Debian pages.
>
> Debian is not in the habit of editing its history (mailing list
> archives). Don't start down that slope.
Unfortunately, this kind of requests are beginning to come up very
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that the issue is
so trivial, so I do not think it can be considered as only a wish.
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> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:35:45AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> > Would it be acceptable to fill a bug against each installer that do
> > not build a proper debian package when installing non-free software?
>
> How can they
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté :
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> > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapot? :
> > > On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:35:45AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> > > > Would it be acceptable to
.
>
> > Would it be acceptable to fill a bug against each installer that do
> > not build a proper debian package when installing non-free software,
> > as long as a technical solution is provided?
>
> I guess so, if the technical solution is correct. Severity so
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>
> On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:13:59AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 09:35:45AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> > > Would it be acceptable to fill a bug against each installer that do
> >
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> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 09:17:13AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapot? :
> > > I asked you a question which could be answered quite simply by producing
> > > one of those way
owever, the
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If you consider that the changelog should not document the bugs,
I suppose that you also think that changelog should not be used to
close bugs.
Well, in this case it seems consistent and it's your problem.
Pretty easy, isn't it?
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> help me, so that I can cite this guideline when filing a bug
> against such packages?
Check the debian policy.
(Well, why do you expect someone else to search thru the documentation
what you are looking for?)
This page may be helpful, however it's not official.
<http://peopl
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e he may totally
ignore that KDE is using Qt, for instance.
Descriptions should only care, I think, about full desktop environment,
not toolkit -- defined GUI style instead of libraries. If a software
is only GTK+, not _for_ GNOME, there are many reasons to believe that
this software does not follow
errors (v2.93.1).
* bogomips - Shows the current bogomips rating without rebooting (v1.2).
* tofromdos - Converts DOS <-> Unix text files (v1.4).
http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/sysutils.html
(anyway what's the difference between tofromdos and
dos2unix/unix2dos?)
Another
in this?
>
> Thanks in advance!
Hum, instead of adduser, useradd should be used by the posgresql
package.
useradd is included in the package passwd, which is "required" package
from the "base" section.
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> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:51:33PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> > Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté :
> > > adduser is neither essential nor required, thus does not need to be
> > > installed when instal
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> > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:51:33PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> > > > Hum, instead of adduse
TED] and
debian-devel@lists.debian.org in Cc?
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It works like wmweather (fetching data according to
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got a faster computer just in the next office), but you cannot assume
from that example that this kind of users complains are always for
psychological reasons. There may be also real hardware
failure/misconfigur
Author. :)
The first word must be uncapitalized (there is an insightful message
from Branden Robinson in the archives about that).
So "instant messager..." would be better.
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>
> I don't know what the special features of latex2html are, but
> if you tell me what special needs you have I can try to check
> if it can be done with hevea.
Ca
reopen 220363
thanks
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> On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 08:00:44AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote:
>> Package: gimp1.2
>> Version: 1.2.3-2.4
>> Severity: normal
>>
>> Installed the gimp, I got a message suggesting me to install
>> gimp1.2-nonf
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> * Mathieu Roy
>
> | Installed the gimp, I got a message suggesting me to install
> | gimp1.2-nonfree
>
> Suggests are ok, Recommends and Depends are not ok.
>
> If you disagree with this, please discuss it on -
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> On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 08:15:19AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote:
>> Can someone provide a link to a clear explanation about latex2html
>> being non-free?
>
> Read the latest DWN
You mean the DWN from yesterday which has not al
Fabian Fagerholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté :
> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 10:53, Mathieu Roy wrote:
>> > Suggests are ok, Recommends and Depends are not ok.
>> >
>> > If you disagree with this, please discuss it on -policy, it's not a
>> > technica
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>> * Mathieu Roy
>>
>> | Installed the gimp, I got a message suggesting me to install
>> | gimp1.2-nonfree
>>
>> Suggests are ok, Rec
one normally expects in a GIF.
If not, why incitating people to get non-free stuff while you just can
provide a Gimp that can save GIF without LZW?
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> On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 09:25:23AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote:
>> reopen 220363
>> thanks
>
> Please do not abuse the BTS. If you want to discuss it, feel free to do
> so, but this is not a bug in the gimp package.
If you consider that not b
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> On Nov 11, 2003, at 11:00 PM, Mathieu Roy wrote:
>
>> Installed the gimp, I got a message suggesting me to install
>> gimp1.2-nonfree
>
> Discussion aside, this is a nonissue, since the gimp1.2-nonfree
> package is g
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> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Mathieu Roy wrote:
>
>> 2) Do you have any valid proof of what you claim? Please, avoid being
>>a liar, this is a very bad attitude. Keep your personal feeling
>>out of this mailing-list, I do
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> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Mathieu Roy wrote:
>
>> I think this is a serious bug: the functionality of the free version
>> has been lowered to promote patent emcumbered package.
>
> Patented software isn't really no
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software?
I'm more inclined to think that refusing to collaborate with other
people should be motivated by strong divergences on the goal to
reach and the method to follow ; not just because it is *possible* to
do everything on our own.
Are they strong divergences on the g
ed in that list? Only one
half, I'm afraid. It is not a big surprise that wmaker does not
support a standard created more or less when the latest, only
bugfixes, release was published.
Why do you say that this programs would have no reason to use the
.desktop stuff? What reasons would they hav
side debian), is it?
(In fact, only this last sentence is an argument, the other one is a
question.)
If there are no technical differences between two solutions but one is
standard in many places (or going to be standard) and the other is
just known at home, which one is the best?
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> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:57:53PM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote:
>> > Some or all of: twm, pdmenu, blackbox, afterstep, fluxbox, gtk-menu,
>> > wmaker, fvwm2, enlightenment, etc, consult /etc/menu-methods for more.
>> > There
Cameron Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 10:05:57AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote:
>
> | Sure. However, I use WindowMaker since several years now, and apart
> | from bug fixes, I did not notice real changes over years (the
> | changelog does not speak o
se for wmaker to consider
following freedesktop.org standards in some cases.
The point was only: apparently it does not look so dumb to everybody
to consider using .desktop even for some of the environment/wm listed
by someone previously
the project initiator, the context, etc... ?
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the GNU part of the name shows that the system
used is the system designed/initiated by the GNU project running with
the kernel Linux, which is not part of GNU. It does not mean that
there are GNU software rarely used elsewhere in the system!
(Note: I'm not subscribed
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> On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 10:41:46AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote:
>> You are currently saying that the GNU in GNU/Linux is justified by the
>> glibc and not by any other GNU software, because these GNU software
>> are common on other unixes.
>>
&g
t not be a
> priority in Debian (we are, after all, pro-GPL), but many people would
> like having a BSD-style libc for Linux...
The glibc is LGPLed, not GPLed. If even LGPL is not enough for
someone, I'm
Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
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> ...
>> When I'm told that a system is running GNU/whatever, I expect first to
>> find there GNU coreutils, GNU bash, GNU Emacs, GNU Compiler
>> Collection, gzip, GNU awk,GNU make, the GNU Debugger, G
ess, does not even require a web
server.
It requires only shell utilities and a web browser (as links).
But right, it requires cache.
Anyway, I'm opened to any suggestions that can improved pdbv.
To get an overview
http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/pdbv/demo_html/demo_1.2.4_
for an event which is outside USA seems a
good compromise for everybody.
People that do not want to go to USA are not forced to, others that do
not think USA should be avoided would surely agree to go elsewhere too.
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I do not say that's a problem, I don't know, it's up to you. My point
is just the fact that the host name is not something completely free
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it.
Free software is fascinating: so many people so different contribute
to a same project... despite the fact that they think completely
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te: I added bug-coreutils@gnu.org in Cc to let them check this
bug. Maybe they can provide informations, instead of reassigning the
bug 3 times and closing it silently.
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I've just compiled coreutils 4.5.3 and still got the bug.
So the bug is maybe really a kernel issue, but informations when
closing bug is still important. And the bug exists, even if it need to
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Not a native en
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and unknow is not an error message while "uname: invalid option -- x
Try `uname --help' for more information." is.
Anyway, if we havent got any chance to get a -pi working in a near
future, it should be removed from any scripts.
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> On 25 May 2003 12:20:45 +0200, Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté :
> >> On Sunday 25 May 2003 07:27, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >> > > Rememb
; "New upstream closes: #1, #2, #3" implyes an update of the upstream changelog
> file so it's worth of checking: listing changes already documented would be
> redundant and not so helpful.
Not necessarily. People that submitted these bugs will receive by mail
a notice with the
#x27;s
automated, it's completely harmless. In the worst case, the mailing
list will be unused, which does not consume bandwith, harddisk or time
- so which is not a real issue.
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Mathieu Roy
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http://stock.coleumes.org/doc.php?i=/misc-files/flawed-english
intainers? Ask to the apt-listchanges
> developers to add a feature to download bugs report for each bug closed in
> changelog.
Or maybe the maintainers can just spend 14 seconds to add a comment
for each bug closed. Is that so complicated, so awful?
This way, users can all be satisfied and
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: lpr-via-http
Version : 1.0
Upstream Author : Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL or Web page : https://gna.org/projects/lpr-via-http/
* License : GPL
Description : a web frontend for lpr queue monitori
Sad news. But thanks a lot for all the good work done. No thanks to everybody
that uses his power to discourage good will -- I know the deal, it is not
very unusual in free software world. It is always very frustrating to be
denied access to some boxes while we
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