Forget most of my previous message!
Googling again, it looks like someone upstream at Linux picked up the dgrs
removal after several weeks (and I simply didn't notice)!
I guess the system works. :-) Hooray!
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ule clears in a few years, if it's still there I'll try again).
Perhaps they might actually listen to you if *you* requested the removal of
dgrs?
Since they aren't listening to me.
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g to separate out any
non-free material. There have been severe regressions from sarge and no
attempt
is being made to fix them.
I guess the Social Contract really is a joke. I don't know why new applicants
are supposed to agree to it. Old members apparently violate it at will for
ye
on-free parts of the kernel
to
non-free where they belong. If this was true, integration of
this should help unblock five "serious" bugs some of which are more than three
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Don Armstrong wrote:
>To underline, the following clauses in the CDDL are problematic:
>
> 9. MISCELLANEOUS
>
> [...]
> This License shall be governed by the law of the jurisdiction
> specified in a notice contained within the Original Software
> (except to the extent applicable law, if
I think everyone missed the important part of my message.
so I'm soliciting comments on it again.
>But perhaps the best "solution" is to document prominently that if you
>replace your network hardware, you should delete the line associated
>with the removed hardware from
>/etc/udev/rules.d/
>Russ Allbery wrote:
>So, here's a possibly weird proposal.
>
>What if we had some mechanism whereby people could indicate interest in
>maintaining a package should anything happen to the current maintainer?
>Have it be as non-confrontational as possible by having it not indicate
>any feeling about
ent-net.rules before inserting the
new
hardware. This would almost always give exactly the desired result, that the
new
hardware would assume the name of the old hardware.
Actually, the same caveat should be documented with regard to
z25_persistent-cd.rules. I've had to swap out CD drive
wing when
the 'patch' tag was added and knowning whether the maintainer mentioned the
patch;
it's easy for a human to tell though.
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u're volunteering to do at least some, and probably a lot,
of this.
People should be given assistance and encouragement in
doing it. I actually like doing it, but I have unfortunately relatively
little time (sick family members).
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shouldn't remain
undocumented as it is now.
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priorities bugs. I'm extremely impressed.
Credit where credit is due; nearly all the "easy" longstanding bugs were fixed
in a very short amount of time, and the rest had explanations of the problems
added to the bug trail, which is *superb*.
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Namely, fix bug #224469. It's really trivial and it's been waiting
for over three years now. This is just STUPID.
Next DPL election, I want to see someone running on the platform of
adding an extra ftpmaster *whether or not the current ftpmasters
like it*. Someone who will get simple stuff like
So I'm going through the old bugs list. There are 37 bugs against emacs20.
emacs20 is only in oldstable-security at this point. What is the correct fate
for
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O_EXCL."
I'm guessing that the dire warning on tempnam(3) is overblown.
Am I right?
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To start with, congratulations to the ftpmasters for keeping up
with the NEW queue. Unfortunately, this email is going to be a
case of damning with faint praise
I'm seeing bugs which were filed as removal requests as early as
August 14 which are still waiting for processing. Unfortunately,
t
I'm guessing translations. They eat up space really fast.
Is there a way to compare packages after localepurge runs?
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes:
>
>> On Aug 31, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Marco trolled again. FYI, no serious person disagrees with this
>>> interpretation.
>> Except every
Frans Pop wrote:
> On Monday 18 September 2006 16:36, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>> Frankly, the kernel's "You NEED to restart your computer SOON" message
>> is a good example, if it's telling the truth. But that cheats by not
>> using debconf.
>
&
gregor herrmann wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:58:31 -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>
>> (There are quite a few more -perl and -ruby packages, but I'm not quite
>> sure which ones have been picked up.)
>
> The lib*-perl packages are all already in the Debian Perl
n-gnome, and oaf are pretty close to removable,
but not quite. libglade, gnome-libs, and imlib are definitely hanging
around.
Adopters welcome for any of the six. :-)
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sendemail
*
* wallpaper-tray
(There are quite a few more -perl and -ruby packages, but I'm not quite sure
which ones have been picked up.)
I will note that rxvt has 1234 popcon installs, so if anyone's going for
brownie points
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onf.
Upgrades which require programs to be restarted should do it automatically.
But if for some obscure reason they can't, then a high-priority note is
reasonable.
Upgrades from really-messed-up versions may also require people to do
something manually to clean up from the messed-up ver
is to run udev in the chroot, but I think
for now probably the dependency should be specified.
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Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 08:26:56PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>> Actually, letting an overworked team of four with (to my knowledge) zero
>> legal expertise settle questions of legal liability is pretty absurd too.
>
> They are the team respon
Toni Mueller wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, 30.08.2006 at 09:27:21 +0200, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with l
ng than new bugs.
A release where we fixed all the (discovered and undiscovered) RC bugs from
the *previous* release would be a very successful release. :-)
> and finding the relative time-to-fix of each of these.
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Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:48:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>
>> Debian needs to make a decision on how it will deal with this legal
>> minefield. That is higher priority than the entire discussion going on
>> right now, because it determ
derivative of both the firmware
and the other parts of the kernel. Simply putting files side by side is
mere aggregation -- what's happening with the drivers and firmware might be
mere aggregation, but nobody can be sure until a court case happens.
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> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:27:21AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
>>> On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
Oddly enough nobody has proposed a GR addressing this, and Debian continues
to ship 47 improperly licensed files in linux-2.6. If I were SCO, I'd buy
up the copyrights to them from the original companies, and then I'd have a
real case for a lawsuit.
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GPL-without-source and no-license-text drivers are serious and
separate issues, and affect far more drivers than properly-licensed
sourceless firmware affects.)
I suggest a d-d-a post adding this link:
http://doolittle.icarus.com/~larry/fwinventory/2.6.17.html
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Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Nathanael Nerode:
>
>> In reality, as "user A", I switched to using cdrdao for making serious audio
>> CDs and CD-RWs, and for burning disks from .iso files: this uses
>> Schilling'
n.
> BTW. The application in question is this: http://tptest.sourceforge.net/
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sed on the features detected by autoconf.
I don't think I'd like to work without autoconf. The alternatives I've seen
are all hideous monstrosities. Automake -- well, if you know how to write
a Makefile, don't use it, just write your Makefile -- but most people
don't.
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eople have such trouble understanding
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archival work I make CDs in DAO mode with cdrdao.
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erhaps people could comment on other things like this which they've noticed
and we could get them into the next release notes, including anything which
wasn't
covered on previous major upgrades?
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nfig (or offers a similar tool), please fix it.
I will file occasional bugs as I spot them, but given the sheer number of
cases, I
thought a reminder to all Debian Developers was a better move. If you have
difficulty
fixing this for your package, I believe several people including me are happy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> That's exactly what I did:
>
> apt-get install -y \
> autoconf2.13 \
> toolchain-source toolchain-source-gdb \
> toolchain-source-newlib \
> dpkg-cross dejagnu expect gperf dpatch gobjc cdbs quilt \
> expectk patchutils equi
The NEW queue is down to *22* packages, which is totally unheard of.
Only three packages have been waiting longer than a month -- so
Javier's package is no longer in the 'endless wait' state.
At the same time, the RM bugs are in fairly good shape, and clearly
removals are also being processed pret
Eduard Bloch wrote:
>#include
>* Kevin Bube [Fri, Jul 07 2006, 11:29:21AM]:
>> Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > * Adam Borowski [Fri, Jul 07 2006, 10:38:32AM]:
>>
>> >> * dvdrtools, a fork of the last GPLed version, is in non-free
>> >
>> > Please look at dvdrtools' files, eg. cdreco
lined posters? Those are the ones who say
"Debian-legal should be ignored, listen to me instead". The regulars are
generally very disciplined and mature, and treat licensing analysis like --
well,
the best analogy is debugging.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By whom? A bunch of people with too much time on their hands. Is there
an actual lawyer involved? I don't think so.
This is a crazy stupid argument. By this argument, Debian should distribute
absolutely
anything, no matter what the license, unless a lawyer gets involv
e, I strongly suspect inetutils-syslogd will be the winner, even
over
sysklogd. I expect that most of what it needs from netbase will turn out to
already be available in the installer.
Given the state of sysklogd, I hope that it can be removed entirely from a
future
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Those are essentially all I work on.
It's a good thing I have a thick skin. Some maintainers are genuinely grateful
for the
assistance, and they're a pleasure to work with. (This includes the X
eason my little brain didn't think of this. Mailing ftpmaster
with a Cc: to debian-devel was the obviously correct thing to do,
and I apologize for not doing it in the first place. For some reason my
brain didn't come up with that as a possibility. :-/
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gt; Software Foundation raise funds for GNU development.''
>
> Ok, there are no invariant sections, but there is (a short) front and
> back cover text.
>
> How do we proceed with these documents?
They're non-free, per the GR. Cover Texts are unmodifiable material
esn't explain the packages listed up top.
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ecure, and fast. That sort of work is what I'm especially good at. I could
start an alioth project for "keyring-manangement-scripts" if anyone else is
interested in working on this.
Hmm, this is going off topic for -vote Replies to -devel please.
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Glenn Maynard wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 02:31:43AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> > Incidentally, if I ever become a DD, I will immediately propose a GR to
> > amend the Social Contract to explicitly all
ot; people have
not been willing or able to actually propose a GR which says what they
*mean*.
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s*, this was a problem, though not a major one,
and that they would introduce a special license exception dual-licensing the
Doxygen comments.
To date, this has not been done, and it is still technically illegal to
generate that portion of the libstdc++ manual unless you're the FSF.
Blech.
I were a DD, just to get a clear vote on
the actual issue on the record.
Incidentally, if I ever become a DD, I *will* immediately propose a GR to
amend the Social Contract to explicitly allow unmodifiable license texts in
Debian, since it technically doesn't, but everyone agrees that
ore often than the rest of netbase. I
think this argues for putting them in a separate netbase-data package.
In fact, this would solve in a certain sense the long argument about how many
protocols/services to include in the lists: alternate packages could
Provides: netbase-data if they
bts.turmzimmer.net just went nuts:
>Changes at Thu Feb 2 0:10:06 CET 2006:
(all but six RC bugs are supposedly "solved" simultaneously)
Obviously something broke. Perhaps the ldap interface to the BTS, since
packages.qa.debian.org is giving bogus results too.
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> > so far not even a response telling me I'm in a queue.
> > Is the procedure described above still the right one?
>
> DAM is very slow-moving these days. Probably they haven't looked at your
mail
> yet.
Um, just in case anyone was wondering, that wasn't intended as a criticism of
DAM -- I t
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] over a week
> ago, as described here:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/02/msg3.html
>
> so far not even a response telling me I'm in a queue.
> Is the procedure described above still the right one?
DAM is v
Russ Allbery wrote:
> Here's a list of packages that install binaries into /usr/X11R6/bin and
> don't have lintian overrides for it. In spot checks, about a quarter of
> these packages use imake. And that's just the packages with binaries;
> there are a number of other packages that don't install
Russ Allbery wrote:
> (Or is
> imake going away completely?)
Yep.
Imake is still being shipped for the benefit of third-party packages, but it
is not used by anything in Xorg 7.0 IIRC. Doing a quick check, I think very
few if any other packages in Debian use imake.
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the Maintainer field the same, but
use NMU version numbers and add a "Changed-By:" field which is different, that
seems perfectly reasonable as well.
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Likewise xvidcap, I presume?
And rte, as was already stated? (And sorry for not giving credit to Joerg
there!)
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ssue and therefore at least one
>reason is still true. So dont hope too much it will get through.
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I read this as "remove MPEG encoding and it will go in." Don't you?
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Apologies to AJ and the ftpmasters. I found the *important* part of the
thread, which I'd apparently missed during December, in which the
ftpmasters...
drumroll
explain what would be needed for mplayer to go into Debian now, barring
finding additional problems.
Congrats Jeroen van Wolfella
aj@azure.humbug.org.au:
> MJ Ray's already done such a summary; it's rather trivially inadequate,
> due to the information its summarising being equally inadequate.
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00901.html
So the summary amounts to "patents". Is that right? In other wo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> How did bin-NMU numbers work for the old numbering scheme on native
> packages?
In a Complicated Way. Essentially, the debian revision and NMU revision were
filled in with 0s (which were, accordingly, not supposed to be used in normal
version numbers).
>What prohibit
>I'd like to offer these three packages for adoption: x-symbol, xmix, and
oneko.
I'll take oneko if Joey Hess doesn't want it. (But frankly he'll probably do
a better job at maintaining it than me.) (On third thought, I'd be happy to
be a co-maintainer for it.)
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Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This has probably been covered ad nauseum, but where do we stand in
>respect to getting mplayer in Debian?
IIRC, the copyright issues were carefully worked out and solved after several
years, finally reaching the approval of debian-legal. At which point i
Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Which would be totally pointless until dpkg itself is fixed to give
> > packagers an alternative to ${Source-Version}.
>
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> I thought we had a fix-strategy in place for addressing these cases.
> I'm sorry if we don't; then of course this strategy
In response to your request for replies to
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00260.html:
>1. Most of the source packages in Ubuntu are inherited from Debian
> unchanged (example: tetex-base).
Then the *source* packages can legitimately use the same Maintainer: field.
If they are
> It'll take me some time to find a new, and more appropriate home for
> apt-torrent.
The Debian archive ("experimental" distribution) would be a *very*
appropriate home.
It won't provide a testbed package seeder or place to download .torrent files,
but that can be done later (and by any numbe
Hello! This is one of 5 RC bugs, apparently with no maintainer response.
Apparently the list which is listed as the maintainer is rejecting messages
(336752), which probably contributes to the problem. Hence the Cc: to
debian-devel.
This bug is trivial to fix, and because it prevents mesa fr
Amazing! ghc6 is now the top blocker for packages entering testing, and it's
only keeping 15 packages out of testing!
Hooray!
Now to fix those ~= 400 RC bugs
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RC bugs, etc.)
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>file lacked a longtitle that is used as hint in the Debian menu.)
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In a random mailing list message to debian-devel in one of these threads.
Not a great way to find information. :-P
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Lies, theft, war, kidnapping, torture, rape, murder...
Get m
he case of Christian Marillat (it's documented
neatly in the ITP bug trail), but you're clearly wrong in the case of Javier.
Javier has stated that he's just guessing why his package has been stalled
and that he really isn't sure.
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ffmpeg code is the only issue, then
it should *not* be delaying xvidcap. If it isn't, then Javier should
be told.
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Yes, ftpmaster is getting efficient at the routine processing. Congrats!
Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
> Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
>> But it is not doing a great job with processing a few old uploads. I
>> consider it a problem that no decision have been taken on the few
>> really old uploads (xv
of the webpages. Cc:ing
debian-devel on the theory that publicizing such a request will prevent
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>On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>> Regenerating acinclude.m4, aclocal.m4, configure.in, and finally configure,
>> can be a pain in the neck. In some packages, it's done by
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
>autoreconf ?
NO NO NO. That does not work for t
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> * Nathanael Nerode [Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:35:41 -0500]:
>
> > To work out which libraries you're linked to which you don't actually
need,
> > ldd -u is invaluable.
>
> This seems like not the case _at all_ to me (the "inva
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I believe my package is affected by the issues stated by Steve,
> depending on libraries which I do not directly use. Most of them are
> probably pulled in through the QT library I am depending on. My package,
> packagesearch, uses qmake as a build tool. The linking comma
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Get me out of this fascist nigh
This is an omnibus reply. Sorry about the thread-breaking, but I'm on
yet *another* computer, and I can't seem
to find a mailer which respects the In-Reply-To headers from the web
pages or lets me add my own.
==
I would like to note that I have made a practical and *new* suggestion
for dealin
ry, I'm not the buildd admin".
Apologies for the thread-breaking, I'm reading on the web pages again. :-/
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requested updates.
Indeed, complaining on debian-devel appears to get results, doesn't it?
At least, that's the conclusion that a rational outside observer would come
to. If that's an inaccurate conclusion, it indicates that there's something
seriously wrong in the transpar
not seem to trust James' opinion on this, but why
>do you not trust our beloved Release Manager, either, who said he knew
>of no serious issues with buildd maintenance right now?
Why should either of them know, to be perfectly frank? This is argument by
authority, not an actual arg
ll. The alternative possibility
is of course that each of these packages generated the bad recursive list
on its own, which is just as likely. I'm wondering where to file the bugs.
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Lies, theft,
Blrgh!
OK. So I was working on the problem of fixing dpkg-dev so that
foo Depends: foo-data {SourceVersion}, foo-libs {BinaryVersion}
or something similar actually works. By parsing the version numbers.
Now it's apparently been changed under our noses, in such a way that my
proposed
sch
Chip Salzenberg wrote:
> Who does a developer have to fuck around here to get his key deleted?
Same one he has to fuck to get a new key added, presumably.
It's a pity the DPL hasn't anointed a less-busy person with authority to
alter the keyring.
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Jay Berkenbilt wrote:
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>>From time to time, someone announces an intention to package some tiny
> script or program, and people suggest including it in some other
> package instead to avoid pollution of the archive with lots of tiny
> packages. Although I understand the reasoning and the issues
ple need to be assigned the power to do these
jobs. Branden?
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ss they're manually
melanied, right? That much is trivial, and should just involve making
britney stupider by making it do less.
The hard part there is working out how to hang on to the old source package
(which is needed for licensing reasons), I guess?
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Erast Benson wrote:
>> > > > There are things like forums, mailing list, blogs,
>> > > > web-based Debian repository browser, etc. which need
^
Trademark point. Are you referring to a browser for *Debian's* FTP archive?
If you are not, you must not call this a "
Bastian Venthur wrote:
> Maybe renaming Debians "i386" into something more accurate like "x86" or
> even "IA32" (in consistency with IA64) would suppress discussions like
> this in the future?
Good idea :-)
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Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> My proposal to avoid such problem is to implement multilevel
> configuration, where the package default configuration and the local
> overrides are stored in separate files, making sure local
> configuration do not affect changes to the package default, and thus
> no q
Henning Makholm wrote:
> Well, the build-dependencies became fixed about 4 days ago (courtesy
> of a NMU by yours truly). Is 4 days enough to get something removed
> from testing?
Well, if you're curious, in this case autotrace had to be removed because
pstoedit had to be removed, and pstoedit had
Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 02:54:49PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>> The enormous ABI transitions have been particularly hard, of course. If
>> we can avoid ABI-breaking transitions in the future it would help. :-)
>
> Wholly unrealistic. Libra
Steve Langasek wrote:
> Sorry, you're completely wrong. The files installed in
> /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib are detached symbol files, that are loaded
> automatically by gdb -- *not* using LD_LIBRARY_PATH; and gdb looks for
> detached symbol files by prepending /usr/lib/debug to the full path of the
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