Re: Installer of Debian Stable allows to use btrfs for /, does it mean it's mature enough to use safely?

2016-07-10 Thread german398
>Say what you want. Now I want to know if Debian Stable can in some extreme cases, like in this case with btrfs, replace not_very_good kernel module that is shipped with its current kernel with a kernel module from other (older or newer) version of Linux kernel and if yes, is it the case with

Re: Installer of Debian Stable allows to use btrfs for /, does it mean it's mature enough to use safely?

2016-07-10 Thread german398
>Yes, btrfs in kernel 3.16-18 might still be unstable, but since then >it is got some important fixes, it is production ready and is actually >pretty amazing in many ways. But does Debian Stable have this new and relatively stable version of btrfs or it just uses old and not_so_stable version

Re: What happened with btrfs during freeze of Debian Jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread german398
>What would be troublesome was if Debian enabled any dangerous options by >default or promoted them too prominently without adequate warnings. >That does not seem to be the case here. It seems to be the case here. At the least for Debian Installer, it doesn't have any warning like "Use btrfs

Re: Installer of Debian Stable allows to use btrfs for /, does it mean it's mature enough to use safely?

2016-07-09 Thread german398
But I have read in Debian's documentation that some pieces of software can be excluded from Debian if they're considered too buggy. Isn't it the case for exclusion of highly experimental and immature programs like btrfs for Linux 3.16 ?

What happened with btrfs during freeze of Debian Jessie?

2016-07-08 Thread german398
Probably my previous message was misunderstood, so I try to rephrase it. Current Debian Stable is Debian Jessie. The latest Linux kernel for Debian Jessie is 3.16. The said version of Linux kernel on the said version of Debian includes btrfs module. But documentation for this version of kernel

Re: Installer of Debian Stable allows to use btrfs for /, does it mean it's mature enough to use safely?

2016-07-08 Thread german398
>Believe the upstream. While in the nearest kernel, there is no sentence about >"under heavy development". Installer is just installer. It doesn't matter if the latest stable Linux kernel has stable and mostly bug-free btrfs. The problem is, that the latest stable Linux kernel for the latest

Re: Installer of Debian Stable allows to use btrfs for /, does it mean it's mature enough to use safely?

2016-07-08 Thread german398
>If you are very conservative on these matters, your two choices are ext4 and >XFS. I don't want XFS because it has weak journaling compared with "data=journal" mode of ext3/4. I tried to use ext4 on Debian Stable due to metadata checksums, but then discovered that e2fsck doesn't support this

Re: Installer of Debian Stable allows to use btrfs for /, does it mean it's mature enough to use safely?

2016-07-08 Thread german398
>Please don't use btrfs. Especially not without understanding fully what one is getting oneself into. It is checksuming, copy of write filesystem, however it has degrading over time performance and stability/recovery issues. But if btrfs is so unstable, then what the hell it's doing in Debian

Installer of Debian Stable allows to use btrfs for /, does it mean it's mature enough to use safely?

2016-07-08 Thread german398
I value stability of a FS over other considerations like shiny new features and performance. I know that Debian Stable includes only that versions of software that were considered rock-solid and mostly bug-free. But on the other hand I read documentation for version of a Linux kernel of Debian