On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 11:57:39AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011, Michael Tautschnig wrote:
The problem is that perl and perl-modules really are one package that was
split apart solely to get the (large) architecture-independent parts into
an arch: all package.
On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 03:34:22PM +0200, Cédric Boutillier wrote:
This is a minor issue,but I would propose to change it to
http://svn.debian.org/viewvc/dep/web/deps/dep5.mdwn?revision=REVISION
if the Format field should point to a specific svn version of the
document. However, as far as I
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In the blue corner, we have The Maintainer, who says: I have a problem
with one architecture, and my package does not work there. It's The
Porter's job to debug and fix that. They know what's usually broken
on their architecture, so it's easier for them.
In the green corner, we have The Porter,
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On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 01:31:11PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
The semantics are pretty obvious to me, it's the number of corner cases and
complexity that this brings what stops dpkg/apt/aptitude/100-other-tools
maintainers from implementing that.
What is the use case for this?
(If I missed
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On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 05:16:55PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 01:48:50AM +0200, Adam Borowski a écrit :
* A year ago, I repacked CD1, .xz took 66% space needed by .gz. This time,
on the whole archive, gains are somewhat smaller: 72%. I guess that CD1
is
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:04:51PM +0200, Carsten Hey wrote:
* Lars Wirzenius [2011-08-15 18:33 +0100]:
raw gz xz
584163 134 file sizes (MiB)
0421 450 savings compared to raw (MiB)
-421 0 29 savings compared to current gz
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 09:19:02PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Of course, it might require finding more buildd maintainers. But I must
admit that I have no idea what buildd admins spend time on, and how it's
possible to help them.
A life in the day of a buildd maintainer would not be a bad
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On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 11:52:22PM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 07:35:49PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
If you do want it started, that means you need to install it first. Then
it makes very much sense it is started automatically.
Logical fallacy: run implies
On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 12:27:43AM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 07:12:58PM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
If you do want it started, that means you need to install it first. Then
it makes very much sense it is started automatically.
Logical fallacy: run
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On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:13:07AM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote:
On 07/26/2011 09:18 PM, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
I've never used Debian Live. Would a Vbox of Debian Live in installed
mode be any different to an installed standard Debian?
like i said, live-build can build images that are
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:28:04AM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote:
On 07/28/2011 10:21 AM, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
Last I looked, live-build built read-only images,
that's not true, the fs images (!= iso, != usb-hdd) are always RW[0].
linaro used that functionality in lb some years ago already
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:45:30AM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote:
On 07/28/2011 10:34 AM, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
Where is that documented?
man lb_config and look for -b virtual-hdd in connection with
--virtual-*. if you build with --initramfs none, you'll get a non-live
image, if you build
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:28:30PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote:
exactly. i told you this when you asked about it when you were looking
into it, and also after you've come up with vmdebootstrap.
Sorry, if you did, I must not have understood what you said. That seems
to be a continuing trend
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 04:33:33PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote:
anyhow.. i'll get back to you about that later.
Actually, no point in asking me about it: now, months later, I have
no idea anymore what I did, except trying the obvious things based on
trying to decipher the manual pages. Sorry I'm
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
- Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
included since Squeeze.
- Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
proprietary
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On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 08:19:46PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
So what to put in the Copyright field? It's a required one.
I'd do something like this:
Copyright: not applicable
License: public-domain
This work was created by the government of the United States of
America without
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On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 11:50:58AM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote:
I would like to install a private package diverting
/etc/profile (to support /etc/profile.d). Problem:
There is no owner for this file.
Stock Debian already supports /etc/profile.d.
if [ -d /etc/profile.d ]; then
for i
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On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 04:00:15PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
On 7 June 2011 15:56, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
I would recommend asking the stable release manager. He might say yes.
What email address do I use?
(I always have problems finding the email addresses of the release
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On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 01:57:29PM +0200, Sven Hoexter wrote:
I currently see a wild mix of different format definitions used by people
hitting debian-mentors. While I personally don't care as long as
the copyright file is complete I don't think this fulfills the goal of
this DEP.
This is
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This package is in oldstable, but not in squeeze and later. It was
removed on my request because nothing in Debian required it, and I
wanted to retire. I am now preparing to upload some software that
uses this to run unit tests
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On to, 2011-04-21 at 16:20 +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
For example, Thunar works perfectly fine outside Xfce, but you don’t
want to show it in KDE or GNOME.
Why not?
Some users may prefer it to the standard app for the desktop
environment they're
On pe, 2011-04-15 at 21:58 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
Symlinks in system path components REALLY are best avoided.
Out of curiosity: why?
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On pe, 2011-04-15 at 08:27 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mercredi 13 avril 2011 à 11:39 +0200, Stephan Seitz a écrit :
My first (and last) contact with NM was not a good one.
This is another misconception about Network-Manager: since version 0.6
(the first one with which people have
On to, 2011-04-14 at 10:44 +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
And moreover for scientific computation /tmp need to be on an
harddisk. I do not want my 16GiB matric to go to memory when I have
only 8GiB of RAM
That sounds like you'd be better off using /var/tmp instead, actually.
Please do
On ti, 2011-04-12 at 21:31 +0200, sean finney wrote:
Hi Lars,
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 06:41:10PM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
But shouldn't we say they _must_ lock package-specific system users
and groups when the package is removed ?
I think that's a good idea. Steve Langasek
(Cc to the relevant bug added.)
On ma, 2011-04-11 at 14:05 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Lars Wirzenius writes (Re: System users: removing them):
Thus, I propose to change 9.2.2 UID and GID classes, the paragraph on
uids in the range 100-999, to add the following sentence to the end
Jari,
thanks for your patch. I am sorry to say I am going to reject it.
As of about two days ago, DEP5 is now included in the debian-policy
package. There's a couple of details to fix, still (see #609160), but
other than that, I consider the spec to be frozen. Unless there are
serious bugs in
world). Sorry.
On su, 2011-04-10 at 16:20 +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
Jari,
thanks for your patch. I am sorry to say I am going to reject it.
As of about two days ago, DEP5 is now included in the debian-policy
package. There's a couple of details to fix, still (see #609160), but
other
On su, 2011-04-10 at 20:06 +0200, Witold Baryluk wrote:
I today say that alpha disappered from unstable buildd.
I am a mostly dis-interested outsider for both the alpha and hppa
architectures. I write this to be supportive of the ftpmasters.
It seems to me that the alpha porters have had quite
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thanks
Background for the policy list: see thread starting at
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/03/msg01174.html
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On ma, 2011-04-04 at 21:09 +0100, Lars Wirzenius
Adding a copy to the bug report.
Everyone please Cc 621...@bugs.debian.org if replying to this subhtread.
Thanks.
On la, 2011-04-09 at 10:14 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Sat, Apr 09, 2011 at 09:44:28AM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
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thanks
On ke, 2011-04-06 at 16:37 +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
Obviously, doing these changes earlier rather than later in the release
cycle would be good, if they are to be done at all.
OK, so assuming anything is to be done about this at all, here's what I
suggest:
* add a lintian test
On ti, 2011-04-05 at 08:52 +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
I'm re-running the scripts, which will probably take a few hours, and
will report results when they're done. If you notice any problems with
the scripts, please tell me ASAP.
The new scripts look also in maintainer scripts.
New results
On ma, 2011-04-04 at 20:32 +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
I happened to have access to a idle-ish fastish machine with a fresh-ish
Debian mirror, so I wrote a script to unpack all binaries (for sid/main
amd64), and then another script to grep for bash scripts (actually a
pair of scripts
On ma, 2011-04-04 at 16:19 +0400, Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote:
User MUST study each OS he uses. If he doesn't want he will be
forced to pay the other people who will tune his (user's) system.
I dispute your assertion that our users must study the operating system
we build for them.
I not only
On ma, 2011-04-04 at 19:43 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
Regarding the root shell issue, I wouldn't have an issue with it
being /bin/sh. The admin is always free to chsh it to the shell
of their choice.
We could even have d-i set the root shell to bash if it installs bash.
Or have bash do it
On to, 2011-03-31 at 14:18 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Lars Wirzenius writes (System users: removing them):
The easy solution for this would be to never remove the user, but that's
also not so clear.
To remove a user and reclaim the uid is a difficult business.
This is true in the general
On ma, 2011-04-04 at 00:18 +0400, Stanislav Maslovski wrote:
If you read my mails without a prejudice you will notice it.
I have read all e-mails in this thread, and what constructive criticism
you may have given is buried under uncompromising prejudice. For
example:
If you mean the
We have some packages that require a dedicated user to be created, and
calling adduser --system in postinst does that. However, it is not
always clear whether such users should be removed when the package is
removed.
* The user might be administered centrally, via LDAP. (So postinst
On ke, 2011-03-30 at 17:33 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
Someone (I forget who) previously suggested that a source-only changes
file should have to be accompanied by a build log. This would need a
bit of infrastructure to file the build log away.
Most uploads are done using dput or dupload. We
On ti, 2011-03-29 at 09:52 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
And as you have to test-build your packages anyway the only reason I see
why you wouldn't be able to upload them is a very slow connection to the
rest of the world.
Bandwidth quotas would be another reason. (I have no opinion on whether
On su, 2011-03-20 at 01:35 -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote:
Compared to a DNS-based mirror chooser, one based on HTTP provides the
following advantages:
It does sound like your solution is better in many ways than the
cdn.debian.net approach.
There's one thing that worries me, though: it
On to, 2011-03-17 at 08:32 +, Roger Leigh wrote:
You can get the same effect with file chroots (tarball unpack). It's
not that slow providing your tarball is really minimal, and it works
on all architectures. I used this for the whole archive rebuild after
LVM snapshots oopsed and then
On to, 2011-03-17 at 10:12 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 04:40:29PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
My rule is: when there is something non-free or when the amount of
useless stuff is huge. For example I would repack a tarball with a
small program and 20Mb of embedded code
What would it take to get cdn.debian.net become a service provided by
the project? In other words, cdn.debian.org, instead of cdn.debian.net.
If we had cdn.debian.org, we could make it into a default mirror (which
could potentially skip one question in the installer), debmirror,
pbuilder,
On to, 2011-03-10 at 10:42 +0100, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
What is the status of dep5(*) copyright file in debian ? I am using
dh_make for preparing packages, and I had report that the default
generated copyright template should be replaced by a dep5 one.
Should I fill a bug report ?
On to, 2011-03-10 at 10:22 +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote:
I'd really like to see support for sane mirror selection in apt itself,
possibly with archive support (i.e. list of mirrors somewhere on
ftp.d.o). That would allow apt to for instance retry on a different
server if the first one it
On to, 2011-03-10 at 11:28 -0500, James Vega wrote:
I also think that going off and writing scripts in Python when one knows
that devscripts is a Perl and shell project is the wrong way to try to
contribute. One generally tries to work with a project, not write a lot
of code in a language the
...@yuggoth.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 01:06:03PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
If one has or downloads a list of mirrors, what's a good way to
choose the best one? Ping time?
Package: netselect-apt
Description: speed tester for choosing a fast Debian mirror
apt-spy is another one
On ti, 2011-03-08 at 09:39 +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
I fixed the bug title.
On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 09:57:40AM +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
Description: xfstests is a torture test suite for filesystem bugs. It is
useful in order to debug problem on linux filesystem. It
could
On to, 2011-03-03 at 11:54 +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
Am Do den 3. Mär 2011 um 11:25 schrieb Tollef Fog Heen:
Then just don't use it? Nobody is forcing you to.
[...]
| And even if you not care about, then that functionality should be
| explicit configured and not per default.
That
On to, 2011-03-03 at 12:47 +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
some package announce their existance to the world without any admin decision!
It is not a fud and a security hole!
That's a vague generality... which packages? You mentioned phpmyadmin.
What are the actual problems that results from
On su, 2011-02-27 at 15:49 +0800, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
Aren't there any checks in place to prevent a package from becoming
uninstallable?
E.g., bug #615530, #615528.
We don't care if something is temporarily uninstallable in unstable. The
only way to prevent that from happening would be
On pe, 2011-02-18 at 18:30 +0100, Thomas Krennwallner wrote:
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Thomas Krennwallner tk...@kr.tuwien.ac.at
* Package name: run
Version : 1.4
Upstream Author : Armin Biere bi...@jku.at and Toni Jussila
* URL :
On to, 2011-02-17 at 15:24 +, Roger Leigh wrote:
I would argue that a change that /would/ make a real difference, would
be to have (as an example) emblems in Nautilus that flag files and
folders depending on if other people have read or write access. That
would visually show what is (and
On ma, 2011-02-14 at 14:37 +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
lets start a python rant. I love to hate this language. :-)
Let's not.
Let's not rant about any languages, or tools, or desktop environments.
Let's be constructive on Debian mailing lists, shall we?
We have plenty of side-channels for
On su, 2011-02-13 at 08:41 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
On 12/02/11 at 15:29 -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote:
Lars Wirzenius wrote:
If we wanted to be serious about this, it would be nice for someone to
set up a maximal build chroot: something with as many packages installed
On su, 2011-02-13 at 18:49 +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
I don;t think that is a good idea, there are way too many people not building
and testing their packages properly already, we don't want to give that work
to
the buildd-admins...
That's something I don't understand. If I upload a broken
On su, 2011-02-13 at 19:13 +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
On 02/13/2011 07:00 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
On su, 2011-02-13 at 18:49 +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
I don;t think that is a good idea, there are way too many people not
building
and testing their packages properly already, we don't want
On la, 2011-02-12 at 20:22 +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
If the packages used are only ever built in unnatural virgin
environments, there is basically no testing if building them on
a real user machine works. And things not tested usually just stop
working after some time...
Right now, such
On pe, 2011-02-11 at 10:05 +0100, Vincent Fourmond wrote:
On 11/02/11 09:52, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 11 février 2011 à 09:47 +0100, Adam Borowski a écrit :
I'd say there should be no place in Debian in 2011 for software that can't
do UTF-8, especially if near-identical forks
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