Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-06 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 09:01:07AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:05:01 +0100, Ingo Juergensmann > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >When Joerg Jaspert is already doing the dirty daily work, why does James > >still needs in place then? (Except he just stays in that position for a > >t

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-06 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:05:01 +0100, Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >When Joerg Jaspert is already doing the dirty daily work, why does James >still needs in place then? (Except he just stays in that position for a >transitional period until Joerg is taking over that task and job comple

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:18:21AM -, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > On Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:05 AM, Ingo Juergensmann > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] > > When Joerg Jaspert is already doing the dirty daily work, why does > > James still needs in place then? (Except he just stays in

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 02:05 am, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > When Joerg Jaspert is already doing the dirty daily work, why does James > still needs in place then? (Except he just stays in that position for a > transitional period until Joerg is taking over that task and job > completely. I wou

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 08:28:59AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > > Unless you're a FPAV fan, please don't Cc: me. > > I just press "g" to reply to list mails. Other people (like Steve) are > capable of configuring their MUAs in that way that they don't get CCs. Maybe > you doing something wron

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 01:11:49PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > And now you joined the other side? Attacking instead of defending? Does that > > help the m68k port better? I doubt that seriously. > I'm not attacking anyone. Usually this is what "attackers" believe. The attacked party feels

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 01:06:49PM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:15:43PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > I've tried to defend you for some time, because I thought your past help > > to the m68k port should not have gone unnoticed. I stopped doing so when > > I reali

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:15:43PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Ohno, it's not my game, trust me. I've better things to do than playing such > > a game. Maybe I'm the one who complains most loudly, but there are DDs that > > agree with me in some (sometimes most or all) points, > Yes, there a

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:42:52AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:06:53AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > The "us versus them" pitting of volunteer contributions against each other > > appears to be your game alone, and is precisely the sort of thing that led > > me t

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:59:31AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > I don't understand why you try to make as many developers opposed to you > as possible. I don't try it, it's not my intention, but I say what I mean and think. Of course this is sometimes not the same with what the audience might w

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:05 AM, Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > When Joerg Jaspert is already doing the dirty daily work, why does > James still needs in place then? (Except he just stays in that > position for a transitional period until Joerg is taking over that > t

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:42:00AM -, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > On Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:42 AM, Ingo Juergensmann > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Regarding James Troup... > [...] > > I still believe that it would be better for the project when he would > > retire from > > some of his ma

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Andreas Barth
* Ingo Juergensmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050105 07:35]: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 02:59:29PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Please note that year 2005 has come to an end and > > > the year 2005 is now - even in my mail address! > > Does the new address bring with it a more constructive atti

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:42 AM, Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Regarding James Troup... [...] > I still believe that it would be better for the project when he would retire from > some of his many positions, because he's too loaded with them. I'm assuming you haven't spott

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:06:53AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > > Please note that year 2005 has come to an end and > > > > the year 2005 is now - even in my mail address! > > > Does the new address bring with it a more constructive attitude towards > > > volunteers who have contributed c

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:30:32AM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 02:59:29PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Please note that year 2005 has come to an end and > > > the year 2005 is now - even in my mail address! > > Does the new address bring with it a more constr

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 06:39:23AM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >> Does the new address bring with it a more constructive attitude towards > >> volunteers who have contributed countless hours over the years to keeping > >> this project running, or should I plan to killfile this one as well? > >

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 02:59:29PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: >> Does the new address bring with it a more constructive attitude towards >> volunteers who have contributed countless hours over the years to keeping >> this project running, or should I

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-05 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 02:59:29PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Please note that year 2005 has come to an end and > > the year 2005 is now - even in my mail address! > Does the new address bring with it a more constructive attitude towards > volunteers who have contributed countless hours o

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:38:03PM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > Please note that year 2005 has come to an end and > the year 2005 is now - even in my mail address! Does the new address bring with it a more constructive attitude towards volunteers who have contributed countless hours over

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-04 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 09:55:21PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > If you want answers, mail me your questions privately. BTW: the questions I > > asked within the thread are still unanswered as well. :) > If you can't play politely, other people will not be inclined to play > with you. Your con

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-04 Thread Matthew Garrett
Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you want answers, mail me your questions privately. BTW: the questions I > asked within the thread are still unanswered as well. :) If you can't play politely, other people will not be inclined to play with you. Your continued abuse of volunteers,

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-04 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:22:41PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mardi 21 décembre 2004 à 12:18 +0100, Ingo Juergensmann a écrit : > > > FWIW: With your attitude and persistent accusations you're driving > > > away even those who partially agree with you. > > Sure, that's a risk. > That's not

Re: Ignoring the truth or Hiding problems? (was: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?)

2005-01-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 21 décembre 2004 à 12:18 +0100, Ingo Juergensmann a écrit : > > FWIW: With your attitude and persistent accusations you're driving > > away even those who partially agree with you. > > Sure, that's a risk. That's not a risk, that's a reality. Now that you spat your flames on this thread,

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 11:10:15PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: >> Jay Berkenbilt wrote: >> > I've sent messages to various [EMAIL PROTECTED] addresses many >> > times for various reasons, and they have all always been ignored. > >> Me too, for values of ign

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 04:59:15PM -0600, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > As it stands, 4 downloads for s390 appear somewhat disproportionate to > 1,285,422 for i386. s390 is a little special, because it's neither a desktop nor a server architecture, but rather a mainframe one. One software installatio

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-17 Thread Andreas Metzler
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jay Berkenbilt wrote: >> I've sent messages to various [EMAIL PROTECTED] addresses many >> times for various reasons, and they have all always been ignored. > Me too, for values of ignored that include "may have resulted in some > action, but never got a repl

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-17 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 08:51:52AM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Ingo Juergensmann] > > Why? To make it public what buildd admins are the worst? > To make public the requests made regarding the autobuilders (others > can see existing requests, and do not have to send identical requests > aga

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-17 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Ingo Juergensmann] > Why? To make it public what buildd admins are the worst? To make public the requests made regarding the autobuilders (others can see existing requests, and do not have to send identical requests again), and to make sure the state of each request is available both to the reque

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-17 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 11:10:15PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Jay Berkenbilt wrote: > > I've sent messages to various [EMAIL PROTECTED] addresses many > > times for various reasons, and they have all always been ignored. > Me too, for values of ignored that include "may have resulted in some > acti

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-17 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 11:10:15PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Jay Berkenbilt wrote: > > I've sent messages to various [EMAIL PROTECTED] addresses many > > times for various reasons, and they have all always been ignored. > Me too, for values of ignored that include "may have resulted in some > actio

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-17 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 04:59:15PM -0600, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 11:34:55PM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > > Although the problem is well known and the solution is obvious, nobody seems > > to have the guts to make a change (or even to speak about it). > Let's have

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-16 Thread Joey Hess
Jay Berkenbilt wrote: > I've sent messages to various [EMAIL PROTECTED] addresses many > times for various reasons, and they have all always been ignored. Me too, for values of ignored that include "may have resulted in some action, but never got a reply email". I think that we need BTS pseudo-pa

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-16 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 11:34:55PM +0100, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > Although the problem is well known and the solution is obvious, nobody seems > to have the guts to make a change (or even to speak about it). Let's have a discussion about reducing our number of architectures. Attempting to su

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-16 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 05:04:49PM -0500, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: > > Josselin Mouette debian.org> writes: > > > One month ago, I asked the alpha and mips buildd maintainers to > > > reschedule h5utils, which failed to build because of a missing build for > > > dependency. Was this email ev

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-16 Thread Jay Berkenbilt
> Josselin Mouette debian.org> writes: > > One month ago, I asked the alpha and mips buildd maintainers to > > reschedule h5utils, which failed to build because of a missing build for > > dependency. Was this email even read? Do these addresses have an utility > > in the real world? >

Re: Are mails sent to xxxx buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-16 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Josselin Mouette debian.org> writes: > One month ago, I asked the alpha and mips buildd maintainers to > reschedule h5utils, which failed to build because of a missing build for > dependency. Was this email even read? Do these addresses have an utility > in the real world? The source package fser

Are mails sent to xxxx@buildd.debian.org sent to /dev/null ?

2004-12-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
One month ago, I asked the alpha and mips buildd maintainers to reschedule h5utils, which failed to build because of a missing build for dependency. Was this email even read? Do these addresses have an utility in the real world? Do I have to re-upload a new version with no change, just to make it