Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 10:25:52AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > this> It is indeed much easier to throw mud than to bake bricks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://list

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-13 Thread Axel Wagner
Hi, since the discussion goes back and forth on this blog-post, I thought I throw in the actual answer of lennart poettering to it: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/aSYnf3wNf8h And this is pretty much all of my contribution to it, it just annoyed me, that no one s

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-13 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/13/2014 05:44 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, > > Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez: > >> "[...] they don't want you to have the option of NOT using their >> stuff. """ http://www.landley.net/notes.html#23-04-2014 >> > IMHO this is a gross mis-c

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-13 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 13 May 2014 11:44:13 +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >It's also demonstrably false. Otherwise systemd would not be compatible >with existing SysV init scripts (to the point that I can run them manually >and, if they happen to load the LSB stuff, they transparently redirect >themselves throu

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez: > "[...] they don't want you to have the option of NOT using their stuff. > """ http://www.landley.net/notes.html#23-04-2014 > IMHO this is a gross mis-characterization. A whole lot more correct IMHO would be the idea that their developer time is best spent fixing

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-12 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
Hi Carlos and Marc, At Mon, 12 May 2014 04:21:10 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > > On 11/05/14 09:18, Marc Haber wrote: > > Something along the lines of systemd is technically needed and a good > > idea, but the people behind it do not come along nice. > > > > Completely agree. Whil

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-11 Thread Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez
On 11/05/14 09:18, Marc Haber wrote: > On Sat, 10 May 2014 19:47:10 +0100, Brian > wrote: >> On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:05:25 -0400, John wrote: >> A couple of quotes from your mail: >> > "I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of >> > almost all systemd's defenders." >> >> Y

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-11 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/11/2014 03:18 AM, Marc Haber wrote: > On Sat, 10 May 2014 19:47:10 +0100, Brian > wrote: > >> On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:05:25 -0400, John wrote: >> >> A couple of quotes from your mail: >> >>> "I find myself appalled at the rude and dominee

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-11 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 10 May 2014 19:47:10 +0100, Brian wrote: >On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:05:25 -0400, John wrote: >A couple of quotes from your mail: > > "I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of > > almost all systemd's defenders." > >You're not looking for flames? You're kidding, aren

Re: Avoiding system d

2014-05-10 Thread Brian
On Sat 10 May 2014 at 12:05:25 -0400, John wrote: > Thanks for practical help. I'm not looking for more flames. A couple of quotes from your mail: > "I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of > almost all systemd's defenders." > "I don't trust them." You're not loo