Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-10-07 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Sandro Tosi mo...@debian.org writes: Just a note that using Send-To requires to add a bug control file to each upload to bpo which I consider a huge overkill solution to that. reportbug's README.developers.gz suggests to use dpkg's Origin and Bugs tags (see deb-control(5)) instead of Send-To.

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-10-07 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:35, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@43-1.org wrote: Sandro Tosi mo...@debian.org writes: Just a note that using Send-To requires to add a bug control file to each upload to bpo which I consider a huge overkill solution to that. reportbug's README.developers.gz suggests to

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-10-06 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 07:01:29PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: From a reportbug POV, it's not a big deal to redirect the reports for bpo packages to something different than sub...@b.d.o. What I need to know is: - the address where to send the bugs - a regular expression (bonus points if

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-10-06 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 15:33, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 07:01:29PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: From a reportbug POV, it's not a big deal to redirect the reports for bpo packages to something different than sub...@b.d.o. What I need to know is: - the

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-10-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 06 Oct 2010, Sandro Tosi wrote: On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 15:33, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 07:01:29PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: From a reportbug POV, it's not a big deal to redirect the reports for bpo packages to something different than

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-30 Thread Sandro Tosi
Hi all, On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:14, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 01:19:20PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: From what concerns the BTS, Don's proposal in [2] (the main one, not the alternative solution) seems

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-28 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:37:55AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: OK, thanks for the clarification. Still, we need to decide—sort of now—whether we need to add support in reportbug for mailing backport report bugs to the bpo list or not (and that might require some time, as someone needs to

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-28 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 28/09/10 at 09:16 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:37:55AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: OK, thanks for the clarification. Still, we need to decide—sort of now—whether we need to add support in reportbug for mailing backport report bugs to the bpo list or not

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-28 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 01:29:46PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 28/09/10 at 09:16 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:37:55AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: OK, thanks for the clarification. Still, we need to decide—sort of now—whether we need to add support in

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 01:19:20PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: From what concerns the BTS, Don's proposal in [2] (the main one, not the alternative solution) seems reasonable to me and others in the thread. The proposal also seems to assume a

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/09/10 at 10:14 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 01:19:20PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: From what concerns the BTS, Don's proposal in [2] (the main one, not the alternative solution) seems reasonable to me and

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-23 Thread Joerg Jaspert
From what concerns the BTS, Don's proposal in [2] (the main one, not the alternative solution) seems reasonable to me and others in the thread. The proposal also seems to assume a different Maintainer field for the bpo package, as hinted above, am I wrong Don? Right. The idea here is that

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-23 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Stepping in sideways here, but in case you can make use of them, backports is creating the same debversion info like the main archive. Want them synced to the bts? Yes, please. Don Armstrong -- Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-22 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 07:46:56AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right time to reconsider the maintenance model of backports. I would personally prefer if we had the same rules of packages ownership as for normal packages (normal

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-22 Thread Felipe Sateler
On 22/09/10 13:53, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Thinking about it, what we _conceptually_ need is pretty simple: a mechanism to declare who is the Maintainer of the bpo package and enforce its declaration. The responsibility of bpo maintenance will be on the declared bpo maintainer. If the

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-22 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: From what concerns the BTS, Don's proposal in [2] (the main one, not the alternative solution) seems reasonable to me and others in the thread. The proposal also seems to assume a different Maintainer field for the bpo package, as hinted above, am

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages [Was: Re: Backports service becoming official]

2010-09-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 12:46:12PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 07 Sep 2010, Steve Langasek wrote: But when someone takes my package and uploads it somewhere other than the main Debian archive, they incur *all* the responsibilities of maintaining that package, including the

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 07:46:56AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 06/09/10 at 20:32 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Lu, 06 sep 10, 17:52:17, Ian Jackson wrote: Alexander Reichle-Schmehl writes (Backports service becoming official): Because of limitations in the Debian Bug Tracking

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote: Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right time to reconsider Some other possibilities; Move *-backports (and *-volatile) into the main archive like they are in Ubuntu. Merge the

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Iustin Pop
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 07:46:56AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right time to reconsider the maintenance model of backports. I would personally prefer if we had the same rules of packages ownership as for normal packages (normal

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2010-09-07, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote: Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right time to reconsider the maintenance model of backports. I would personally prefer if we had the same rules of packages ownership as for normal packages (normal

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Dienstag, 7. September 2010, Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2010-09-07, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote: Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right time to reconsider the maintenance model of backports. I would personally prefer if we had the same

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 07 Sep 2010, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right time to reconsider the maintenance model of backports. I would personally prefer if we had the same rules of packages ownership as for normal packages (normal backport

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010, Sune Vuorela wrote: I'm not planning to ever provide backports of any of my packages, and while others are welcome to do it, I do not in any way want to be bothered by their bugs or upload emails or anything. Which would call for filtering, not for keeping the bad

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 11:40:09AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: That I dont think it is. I think you not wanting t be bothered by backports of your packages is quite an exception, I don't think it is. I have no problem with people backporting any of my packages that are useful to them, but I

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Ludovico Cavedon
On 09/06/2010 10:46 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right time to reconsider the maintenance model of backports. I would personally prefer if we had the same rules of packages ownership as for normal packages (normal backport

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 09/07/2010 05:57 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 11:40:09AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: That I dont think it is. I think you not wanting t be bothered by backports of your packages is quite an exception, I don't think it is. I have no problem with people backporting any

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Jan Hauke Rahm
Hi, On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 02:38:32PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Tue, 07 Sep 2010, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right time to reconsider the maintenance model of backports. I would personally prefer if we had the same rules

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi! * Simon McVittie s...@debian.org [2010-09-06 19:33:34 CEST]: On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 at 17:52:17 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: What are the BTS limitations ? I assume the relevant limitation is that in the BTS' data model, each source package has a single maintainer, whereas the

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Alexander Wirt
Lucas Nussbaum schrieb am Tuesday, den 07. September 2010: Hi, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl writes (Backports service becoming official): Because of limitations in the Debian Bug Tracking System, any bugs relevant to backported packages still have to be reported to the debian

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Iustin Pop
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 08:35:05PM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: I really would like to see us trying to work together more effectively instead of objecting to things right ahead without even knowing wether it is such a big relevant deal to make a fuzz about. IMHO it isn't, far from it. Well

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 07:05:29PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: On 09/07/2010 05:57 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 11:40:09AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: That I dont think it is. I think you not wanting t be bothered by backports of your packages is quite an exception,

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2010-09-07, Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de wrote: On 09/07/2010 05:57 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 11:40:09AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: That I dont think it is. I think you not wanting t be bothered by backports of your packages is quite an exception, I don't think it

Bugs in Backported Packages [Was: Re: Backports service becoming official]

2010-09-07 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010, Steve Langasek wrote: But when someone takes my package and uploads it somewhere other than the main Debian archive, they incur *all* the responsibilities of maintaining that package, including the responsibility of appropriately triaging bug reports and forwarding them to

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de writes: On 09/07/2010 05:57 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: I don't think it is. I have no problem with people backporting any of my packages that are useful to them, but I shouldn't have to read bug mail for them. I have enough bugs of my own. Chances are good that

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Gerfried Fuchs rho...@deb.at writes: To me the solution is to see the person who does the backport as a part of the packaging team. There is the need for having a communication channel between the people anyway. Actually more and more packages are moved into team maintenance and I'm pretty

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: If there's any complexity in the backport, that's probably true.  But I'll note here that for all the backports I do for my packages, all the changes in the backport are mechanical (and automated) and maintaining that in a

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Alexander Reichle-Schmehl writes (Backports service becoming official): Because of limitations in the Debian Bug Tracking System, any bugs relevant to backported packages still have to be reported to the debian-backports [3] list, which have now also been moved to lists.debian.org [4]. What

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 06 sep 10, 17:52:17, Ian Jackson wrote: Alexander Reichle-Schmehl writes (Backports service becoming official): Because of limitations in the Debian Bug Tracking System, any bugs relevant to backported packages still have to be reported to the debian-backports [3] list, which have

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-06 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 at 17:52:17 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: Alexander Reichle-Schmehl writes (Backports service becoming official): Because of limitations in the Debian Bug Tracking System, any bugs relevant to backported packages still have to be reported to the debian-backports [3] list

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-06 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 09/06/2010 07:33 PM, Simon McVittie wrote: On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 at 17:52:17 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: Alexander Reichle-Schmehl writes (Backports service becoming official): Because of limitations in the Debian Bug Tracking System, any bugs relevant to backported packages still have

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-06 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 06/09/10 at 20:32 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Lu, 06 sep 10, 17:52:17, Ian Jackson wrote: Alexander Reichle-Schmehl writes (Backports service becoming official): Because of limitations in the Debian Bug Tracking System, any bugs relevant to backported packages still have