Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-23 Thread Paul Sheer
Hi there, I am trying to draw attention to what I think is an important piece of software - Mirrordir. It supports strong encryption but is exportable from the US because it does not have encryption compiled in by default. Instead it downloads the scripts it needs from South Africa when it runs f

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-23 Thread Bear Giles
> It supports strong encryption but is exportable from > the US because it does not have encryption compiled in by default. Instead > it downloads the scripts it needs from South Africa when it runs for the > first time. This is *extremely* risky behavior. FTP and HTTP sites *are* compromised.

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-23 Thread Raul Miller
Bear Giles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The only thing resilient to compromised servers are cryptographically > signed cryptographic checksums. Which requires PGP. Which is not > exportable. And which requires a "chain of trust" to evaluate > whether to trust the key used to sign the checksum.

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-23 Thread Bear Giles
> Bear Giles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The only thing resilient to compromised servers are cryptographically > > signed cryptographic checksums. Which requires PGP. Which is not > > exportable. And which requires a "chain of trust" to evaluate > > whether to trust the key used to sign the

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-23 Thread Raul Miller
Bear Giles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But you're biting your own tail here. Where do you get that "good" > checksum? Any place which is acceptable to the package maintainer -- perhaps out of a pgp signed archive. If the package maintainer can't produce a trustable package, it doesn't matter ho

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-24 Thread Bear Giles
> Bear Giles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But you're biting your own tail here. Where do you get that "good" > > checksum? > > Any place which is acceptable to the package maintainer -- perhaps out > of a pgp signed archive. Remember, the start of this discussion was an (FTP) mirroring program

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-24 Thread Raul Miller
Bear Giles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem isn't in *producing* a package, it's in *acquiring* that > package later. What happens if someone successfully attacks a site > immediately before you mirror it? What happens if someone replaces a PGP signature? Answer: people notice. [Conside

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-24 Thread Paul Sheer
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Bear Giles wrote: > > It supports strong encryption but is exportable from > > the US because it does not have encryption compiled in by default. Instead > > it downloads the scripts it needs from South Africa when it runs for the > > first time. > > This is *extremely* risk

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-24 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Paul Sheer wrote: > Also: there is no GPL secure shell (as far as I know). But people are working on that. From what I hear it's on the verge of becoming useable. Don't ask me about the name, I always forget it. Wichert. --

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-24 Thread Jules Bean
On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Paul Sheer wrote: > > Also: there is no GPL secure shell (as far as I know). > > But people are working on that. From what I hear it's on the verge of > becoming useable. Don't ask me about the name, I always forget it. It's called psst.

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-24 Thread Bear Giles
Wichert wrote: > Previously Paul Sheer wrote: > > Also: there is no GPL secure shell (as far as I know). > > But people are working on that. From what I hear it's on the verge of > becoming useable. Don't ask me about the name, I always forget it. MIT Kerberos (4 and 5) is open source and provide

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-25 Thread James R. Van Zandt
Paul Sheer wrote: >I remember someone was maintaining the debian release of this software >(although then, it did not support encryption). Please get the latest >version from: > ftp://lava.obsidian.co.za/pub/mirrordir/US/ I maintain the Debian package of mirrordir. The last version I packa

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-25 Thread Paul Sheer
> - I would not be able to include the new crypto features in the package >anyway due to US export laws. no, the US version contains no crypto code. > (Debian packages are binary only, and Both the source and binary US versions of mirrordir contain no crypto code. >FTP connectivity is