On Tue, 2020-12-29 at 13:17 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> No.
>
> If the person needs someone else to setup/maintain the machine the
> requirements are clear.
If you say so.
> > If their machine is being used for daily work and it
> > possibly becoming unusable for a day or so now and then would
On Tue, 2020-12-29 at 21:27 +0100, Bálint Réczey wrote:
> Also please note that unattended-upgrades does not perform upgrades
> which include removals.
It does do autoremovals when things no longer depend on packages though.
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Hi Sean,
Sean Whitton ezt írta (időpont: 2020. dec.
28., H, 0:05):
>
> Hello,
>
> On Sun 27 Dec 2020 at 08:11AM GMT, Paul Wise wrote:
>
> > I think Debian stable users should enable automatic upgrades (IIRC
> > that is the case now). Debian unstable/testing users should probably
> > only enable
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 12:06:22AM +, Lyndon Brown wrote:
> On Mon, 2020-12-28 at 14:09 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 10:58:10PM +, Lyndon Brown wrote:
>...
> > > We also have to consider not
> > > only doing this for our own personal machines but also others which
On Mon, 2020-12-28 at 14:09 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 10:58:10PM +, Lyndon Brown wrote:
> > ...
> > The problem with using testing as a rolling distro is that the
> > package
> > migration process often causes big delays that can block upgrades
> > that
> > include
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 02:09:55PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> The internet is full of people who "envision" things, and who claim it
> "would surely not be burdensome" if other people would do the actual
> work for them.
>
> If you want this to happen, it is you who will have to implement and
On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 10:58:10PM +, Lyndon Brown wrote:
>...
> The problem with using testing as a rolling distro is that the package
> migration process often causes big delays that can block upgrades that
> include security fixes, making use of testing alone thus a big security
> risk.
On Lu, 28 dec 20, 06:46:51, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 10:58 PM Lyndon Brown wrote:
>
> > The problem with using testing as a rolling distro
>
> Your mail reminded me about Constantly Usable Testing:
>
> https://cut.debian.net/
Or "bob":
On 2020/12/28 01:04, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> I think Debian stable users should enable automatic upgrades (IIRC
>> that is the case now). Debian unstable/testing users should probably
>> only enable safe upgrades that don't remove packages.
>
> I'm pretty sure it's not default because the security
On Вс, 2020-12-27 at 22:58 +, Lyndon Brown wrote:
> As I envision it, we could have "rolling" and maybe "rolling-unstable"
> (or "rolling-testing") with continual upgrades typically going directly
> into "rolling", or with a 0-day migration from "rolling-unstable", with
> the purpose of
On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 10:58 PM Lyndon Brown wrote:
> The problem with using testing as a rolling distro
Your mail reminded me about Constantly Usable Testing:
https://cut.debian.net/
> Using testing and manually pulling in select upgrades from unstable in
> such situations addresses that
On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 11:04 AM Devops PK Carlisle LLC wrote:
> If I know that, for instance, a kernel update will break a wifi dongle
> driver or NVIDIA driver, either I must not use automatic updates at all
> and I must remember which packages I don't want to update and manually
> exclude
On Sun, 2020-12-27 at 16:04 -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
> I'm pretty sure it's not default because the security team do not
> consider unattended-upgrades sufficiently robust. I'm sorry for not
> going ahead and verifying but I thought it should be mentioned.
Looks like you are correct, it is
Hello,
On Sun 27 Dec 2020 at 08:11AM GMT, Paul Wise wrote:
> I think Debian stable users should enable automatic upgrades (IIRC
> that is the case now). Debian unstable/testing users should probably
> only enable safe upgrades that don't remove packages.
I'm pretty sure it's not default because
On Sun, 2020-12-27 at 15:33 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 12:16:22PM +, Simon McVittie wrote:
> > ...
> > Ubuntu might have some good ideas here: if I understand correctly,
> > their inconsistent unstable-equivalent is not generally used
> > (except by
> > buildds), while
On Sun, 2020-12-27 at 05:42 -0500, Devops PK Carlisle LLC wrote:
> I would like to be able to selectively exclude-with-a-warning some
> packages from automatic update as I choose, and to have the update
> process remember those choices from one update instance to the next:
>
> Chrome browser:
On Sun, 2020-12-27 at 06:01 +, M. Zhou wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I don't quite understand the meaning of automatic upgrades on a
> rolling
> system such as Debian/Sid. According to my own experience, such
> automatic upgrades could be dangerous.
>
> Recently package ppp is pending for upgrade
Hi,
On 2020/12/27 08:01, M. Zhou wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I don't quite understand the meaning of automatic upgrades on a rolling
> system such as Debian/Sid. According to my own experience, such
> automatic upgrades could be dangerous.
>
> Recently package ppp is pending for upgrade but it does
On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 12:16:22PM +, Simon McVittie wrote:
>...
> Ubuntu might have some good ideas here: if I understand correctly,
> their inconsistent unstable-equivalent is not generally used (except by
> buildds), while their internally-consistent testing-equivalent is updated
> from
On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 at 06:01:45 +, M. Zhou wrote:
> I don't quite understand the meaning of automatic upgrades on a rolling
> system such as Debian/Sid. According to my own experience, such
> automatic upgrades could be dangerous.
You're using a suite named "unstable". It does what the name
Hi
On 27.12.2020 11:42, Devops PK Carlisle LLC wrote:
I would like to be able to selectively exclude-with-a-warning some
packages from automatic update as I choose, and to have the update
process remember those choices from one update instance to the next:
you could use aptitude-robot, which
I would like to be able to selectively exclude-with-a-warning some
packages from automatic update as I choose, and to have the update
process remember those choices from one update instance to the next:
Chrome browser: Version a.b.c will be installed
Firefox: Version d.e.f will be installed
Sorry, just sending this to the list, as I sent originally it to
Leandro directly.
Regards
Paul
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Subject: Re: Disabling automatic upgrades on Sid by default?
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 08:17:18 +
From: Paul Sutton
To: Leandro Cunha
On 27/12/2020 06
On 27/12/2020 08:11, Paul Wise wrote:
M. Zhou wrote:
I don't quite understand the meaning of automatic upgrades on a rolling
system such as Debian/Sid. According to my own experience, such
automatic upgrades could be dangerous.
I have been automatically upgrading Debian testing 4 times
M. Zhou wrote:
> I don't quite understand the meaning of automatic upgrades on a rolling
> system such as Debian/Sid. According to my own experience, such
> automatic upgrades could be dangerous.
I have been automatically upgrading Debian testing 4 times daily using
the unattended-upgrades
"M. Zhou" writes:
> I don't quite understand the meaning of automatic upgrades on a rolling
> system such as Debian/Sid. According to my own experience, such
> automatic upgrades could be dangerous.
I have read somewhere (where?) an advice for testing/unstable users that
says to upgrade only
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Subject: Re: Disabling automatic upgrades on Sid by default?
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 07:39:42 +0100
From: Jerome BENOIT
Reply-To: calcu...@rezozer.net
Organisation: ReZoZeR
To: M. Zhou
Hi,
On 27/12/2020 07:01, M. Zhou wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I do
Em dom., 27 de dez. de 2020 às 03:02, M. Zhou escreveu:
> Hi folks,
>
> I don't quite understand the meaning of automatic upgrades on a rolling
> system such as Debian/Sid. According to my own experience, such
> automatic upgrades could be dangerous.
>
> Recently package ppp is pending for
Hi folks,
I don't quite understand the meaning of automatic upgrades on a rolling
system such as Debian/Sid. According to my own experience, such
automatic upgrades could be dangerous.
Recently package ppp is pending for upgrade but it does not co-exist
with my currently installed
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