Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-31 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 02:18:26PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx a écrit : I think you're confusing the buildd admin with the porters. I expect porters to read the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, I don't expect the same from the buildd admin. Dear all, Maybe the [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists should be read by

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 02:24:27PM -0500, Clint Adams wrote: I think you're confusing the buildd admin with the porters. I expect Maybe that's because the buildd admins used to be the porters, and then, for some reason I do not understand, this mysteriously stopped being true. Usually,

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-30 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Wouter Verhelst a écrit : having one buildd maintainer per arch as opposed to a team will allow one to faster see recurring obscure problems that need fixing). That's the theory. The reality shows the exact contrary, at least for arm: - The chroot of netwinder is broken for weeks. - tofee is

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-29 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 07:58:34AM +0100, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't you find it a bit hypocrit to have x86 uploads go directly to the archive, and not allowing even a single day delay which would allow to stop unclean DD-build-boxes breakage and a clean state, and on the other

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 28 décembre 2006 à 16:45 -0800, Steve Langasek a écrit : So first of all, neither the debian-arm list, nor the #debian-arm channel, nor his blog are a communication medium that's guaranteed to reach the arm buildd maintainer *or* the buildd local admins. For the former, you want

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-29 Thread MJ Ray
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An arm buildd maintainer not reading [EMAIL PROTECTED] is simply not doing his job as buildd maintainer. Please show where reading everything on [EMAIL PROTECTED] is given as a requirement for buildd maintainership. You can't pretend to be the one

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-29 Thread Julien BLACHE
Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems common sense! Debian has a serious problem if you have to write everything down. A buildd maintainer must be able to type Unix commands on a keyboard. And the said keyboard must be connected one way or another to the said buildd, which

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-29 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 11:36:45AM +, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 43 lines which said: An arm buildd maintainer not reading [EMAIL PROTECTED] is simply not doing his job as buildd maintainer. Please show where reading everything on [EMAIL PROTECTED] is given as a

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-29 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Thu, Dec 28, 2006 at 04:45:32PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 11:39:13AM +0100, Aurelien Jarno wrote: All started with this email: http://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2006/08/msg00151.html ARM was *in danger*, a lot of stuff (java, xulrunner, mono, ...) were not

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-29 Thread MJ Ray
Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Please show where reading everything on [EMAIL PROTECTED] is given as a requirement for buildd maintainership. It seems common sense! Huh? It seems common sense that most subscribers ignore at least some list

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-29 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 11:20:30AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: An arm buildd maintainer not reading [EMAIL PROTECTED] is simply not doing his job as buildd maintainer. You can't pretend to be the one handling builds for the whole archive while not following discussions around problems

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't you find it a bit hypocrit to have x86 uploads go directly to the archive, and not allowing even a single day delay which would allow to stop unclean DD-build-boxes breakage and a clean state, and on the other

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-29 Thread Clint Adams
I think you're confusing the buildd admin with the porters. I expect Maybe that's because the buildd admins used to be the porters, and then, for some reason I do not understand, this mysteriously stopped being true. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-28 Thread Steve Langasek
Some of the comments and questions in this thread suggest gaps in understanding of the autobuilders, which I think warrant an answer. Hopefully this doesn't lead to more flames and recriminations... On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 05:03:35PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Aurelien mailed debian-arm,

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Dec 28, 2006 at 04:45:32PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: So, why : * does aurelien initiative causes troubles ? If the packages he uploads have already been built (but not uploaded) by the autobuilders, the packages in the archive will not correspond to the public build logs,

Explications needed...

2006-12-20 Thread Pierre Habouzit
I happened to have had access to the internet during my vacation, and I happened to read a backlog on #debian-release that frightens me: 15:52 aj | # unilateral action to run an emulated buildd -- all arm changes sidelined until fixed. 15:52aba | oh, where? 15:52 aj |

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-20 Thread Luk Claes
Pierre Habouzit wrote: I happened to have had access to the internet during my vacation, and I happened to read a backlog on #debian-release that frightens me: 15:52 aj | # unilateral action to run an emulated buildd -- all arm changes sidelined until fixed. 15:52aba | oh, where?

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-20 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Luk Claes a écrit : How did Aurelien get wanna-build access for his buildd without explaining to the respective team how the buildd was maintained in the first place or did he not ask for it... I have setup a wanna-build database (I am the one running the wanna-build database for

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-20 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 05:03:35PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Aurelien mailed debian-arm, went to #debian-arm, had no response. He then warn about his intention [1] to run qemu-based autobuilders to fill the gap due to broken arm buildds. He did that on the open, and got ... zero answers.

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-20 Thread Michael Banck
[this discussion is off-topic on -devel, please follow-up on -project] On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 05:51:55PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: How did Aurelien get wanna-build access for his buildd He didn't, it's a rogue autobuilder. Which is the reason it got blacklisted. or did he not ask for it...