On 12/27/2009 12:21 AM, Gaijin wrote:
Ice
Weasel won't run many web pages as well as it does in Windows Firefox,
including my Linksys router's configuration page,
Iceweasel will run everything Firefox on Windows will, excepting things
where the problem is Linux versus Windows. It might
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 12:53:27PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote:
On 12/27/2009 12:21 AM, Gaijin wrote:
Ice
Weasel won't run many web pages as well as it does in Windows Firefox,
including my Linksys router's configuration page,
Iceweasel will run everything Firefox on Windows will,
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
it’s been a long-standing tradition on Linux to have 6 started getty
processes, in tty1 to tty6. However this doesn’t correspond anymore to
the way we use our machines.
* I don’t think we need more than 2 of these. They are still
useful
What I would like to see is something like the following.
I've no idea whether it is achievable technically, but I'd
be interested to know what others thought.
* the display manager gets the first VT. If there is no
display manager configured, a TTY is assigned instead.
(really, in the
I believe it would be useful to be able to configure preallocated VTs.
I know a few people whose first action at boot is starting something
like a monitoring application on VT6, dynamic allocation would break
this habit.
Samuel
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On Tue,24.Nov.09, 15:26:33, Jon Dowland wrote:
What I would like to see is something like the following.
I've no idea whether it is achievable technically, but I'd
be interested to know what others thought.
* the display manager gets the first VT. If there is no
display manager
Good question. I guess they could be handled like the first text VTs:
ready to be started by pressing enter, on a configurable list
of /dev/ttyS? devices.
How about the following idea:
Introduce a configuration directory (e.g. /etc/inittab.d) in which
packages can drop files to claim for
Fabian Greffrath greffr...@leat.rub.de writes:
Good question. I guess they could be handled like the first text VTs:
ready to be started by pressing enter, on a configurable list
of /dev/ttyS? devices.
How about the following idea:
Introduce a configuration directory (e.g. /etc/inittab.d)
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:45:11 +0100
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Hi,
it’s been a long-standing tradition on Linux to have 6 started getty
processes, in tty1 to tty6. However this doesn’t correspond anymore to
the way we use our machines.
* I don’t think we need more than 2
Le lundi 16 novembre 2009 à 10:33 +0100, Harald Braumann a écrit :
I don't see any real arguments against the set-up as it is now or for a
new way to do it.
There are no real arguments for keeping the current setup either.
Just because GDM is broken doesn't mean we should
change a system
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Hi,
Am Sa den 14. Nov 2009 um 15:45 schrieb Josselin Mouette:
it???s been a long-standing tradition on Linux to have 6 started getty
processes, in tty1 to tty6. However this doesn???t correspond anymore to
the way we use our machines.
Yes. I
Josselin Mouette, le Mon 16 Nov 2009 11:07:52 +0100, a écrit :
* Opens all /dev/tty1 to tty6 and display a d-i-like “press enter
to activate this console” in them.
* Provide a very simple interface to reserve a VT, that can be
queried by the display manager.
And
Le lundi 16 novembre 2009 à 11:21 +0100, Samuel Thibault a écrit :
Josselin Mouette, le Mon 16 Nov 2009 11:07:52 +0100, a écrit :
* Opens all /dev/tty1 to tty6 and display a d-i-like “press enter
to activate this console” in them.
* Provide a very simple interface to
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:07:52 +0100
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Le lundi 16 novembre 2009 à 10:33 +0100, Harald Braumann a écrit :
I don't see any real arguments against the set-up as it is now or
for a new way to do it.
There are no real arguments for keeping the current
Josselin Mouette wrote:
We remove entirely the getty respawning from /etc/inittab. Instead, a
new daemon is started by a regular init script. This daemon does the
following:
* Opens all /dev/tty1 to tty6 and display a d-i-like “press enter
to activate this console” in them.
* Provide a
Le lundi 16 novembre 2009 à 13:55 +0100, Harald Braumann a écrit :
Just because it is a tradition doesn’t mean it’s the correct way.
So far I haven't seen any argument as to why it shouldn't be the correct
way.
It’s broken because:
* there are race conditions in the way VTs are
Le lundi 16 novembre 2009 à 14:19 +0100, Frans Pop a écrit :
How would gettys on serial (and equivalent) ports be handled in this
proposal?
Good question. I guess they could be handled like the first text VTs:
ready to be started by pressing enter, on a configurable list
of /dev/ttyS?
* Current situation is far from perfect.
* New GDM upstream, as is, is completely broken.
Would it be possible to just stick with GDM 2.20 and maintain it as a
fork (just as you do until now)?
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Le lundi 16 novembre 2009 à 14:29 +0100, Fabian Greffrath a écrit :
* Current situation is far from perfect.
* New GDM upstream, as is, is completely broken.
Would it be possible to just stick with GDM 2.20 and maintain it as a
fork (just as you do until now)?
It’s very
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:39:06 +0100
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Le lundi 16 novembre 2009 à 13:55 +0100, Harald Braumann a écrit :
Just because it is a tradition doesn’t mean it’s the correct way.
So far I haven't seen any argument as to why it shouldn't be the
correct way.
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
Le lundi 16 novembre 2009 à 13:55 +0100, Harald Braumann a écrit :
Just because it is a tradition doesnât mean itâs the correct way.
So far I haven't seen any argument as to why it shouldn't be the correct
way.
Itâs broken because:
On Mon Nov 16 11:07, Josselin Mouette wrote:
We remove entirely the getty respawning from /etc/inittab. Instead, a
new daemon is started by a regular init script. This daemon does the
following:
* Opens all /dev/tty1 to tty6 and display a d-i-like “press enter
to activate this
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:07:52AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
We remove entirely the getty respawning from /etc/inittab. Instead, a
new daemon is started by a regular init script. This daemon does the
following:
* Opens all /dev/tty1 to tty6 and display a d-i-like “press enter
Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lundi 16 novembre 2009 à 13:55 +0100, Harald Braumann a écrit :
Just because it is a tradition doesn’t mean it’s the correct way.
So far I haven't seen any argument as to why it shouldn't be the correct
way.
It’s broken because:
* there are race
Hello
Christian Perrier wrote the following on 15.11.2009 07:13
Quoting Kurt Roeckx (k...@roeckx.be):
* I don't think we need more than 2 of these. They are still
useful for servers or when some disaster happens in the GUI, but
who opens 6 console sessions nowadays?
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:29:33 +0100, Thilo Six wrote:
Christian Perrier wrote the following on 15.11.2009 07:13
Not considering the technical backgorund (which is of course an easy
stance), it could be really interesting to have *by default* the
default X session on tty1, when a
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 12:36 +0100, Julien Cristau wrote:
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:29:33 +0100, Thilo Six wrote:
Christian Perrier wrote the following on 15.11.2009 07:13
Not considering the technical backgorund (which is of course an easy
stance), it could be really interesting to
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:06:27PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
If Fedora jumps off a cliff (I wouldn't put it past them ;-) should we
do it?
No, but what does this have to do with the current thread?
Michael
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On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 03:45:11PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
* For desktop machines, the display manager starts on tty7, which
means there is a tty switch to display it. This causes a small
latency and can also create some bugs when you’re using a
graphical
On Sun,15.Nov.09, 07:13:39, Christian Perrier wrote:
Not considering the technical backgorund (which is of course an easy
stance), it could be really interesting to have *by default* the
default X session on tty1, when a display manager is used, and
something like 2 other console sessions on
Hello,
I think the problem only happens for desktop startup.
Say you _don't_ start X at boot, this is what happens:
- 6 ttys are occupied
- startx will use the next free tty7, which is what I expect if I don't
specify vt to X.
In this case dynamic allocation is good.
Say instead you have *dm
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 07:13:39AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
Of course, if no *dm is used, then the system should logically default
to N consoles with the first one on tty1. I'd say that N should, in
such case, be greater than 2.
This adds much more complexity to the getty configuration
Hi,
it’s been a long-standing tradition on Linux to have 6 started getty
processes, in tty1 to tty6. However this doesn’t correspond anymore to
the way we use our machines.
* I don’t think we need more than 2 of these. They are still
useful for servers or when some disaster happens
Josselin Mouette, le Sat 14 Nov 2009 15:45:11 +0100, a écrit :
* I don’t think we need more than 2 of these. They are still
useful for servers or when some disaster happens in the GUI, but
who opens 6 console sessions nowadays?
Blind people and crazy people who always
Le samedi 14 novembre 2009 à 16:40 +0100, Samuel Thibault a écrit :
* Does upstart make things like dynamic allocation of VTs
possible?
* Otherwise, shouldn’t we replace the getty processes started by
init by a small daemon that can allocate them as we see
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [091114 17:26]:
I guess you mean as long as there is no negociation between gdm and
whatever decides where gettys go?
GDM does try to use a VT that is not currently in use - although there
can be race conditions.
So gdm does not negotiate but just claims
Le samedi 14 novembre 2009 à 17:42 +0100, Bernhard R. Link a écrit :
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [091114 17:26]:
I guess you mean as long as there is no negociation between gdm and
whatever decides where gettys go?
GDM does try to use a VT that is not currently in use - although
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [091114 17:58]:
So gdm does not negotiate but just claims first!.
What else can it do? It has to manage its VTs for itself. Currently it
is simply forced to use the ones starting from tty7, but it is arbitrary
and inconsistent.
There are those things
Le samedi 14 novembre 2009 à 18:22 +0100, Bernhard R. Link a écrit :
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [091114 17:58]:
So gdm does not negotiate but just claims first!.
What else can it do? It has to manage its VTs for itself. Currently it
is simply forced to use the ones starting from
Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le samedi 14 novembre 2009 à 17:42 +0100, Bernhard R. Link a écrit :
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [091114 17:26]:
I guess you mean as long as there is no negociation between gdm and
whatever decides where gettys go?
GDM does try to use a VT that is not currently
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
Hi,
itâs been a long-standing tradition on Linux to have 6 started getty
processes, in tty1 to tty6. However this doesnât correspond anymore to
the way we use our machines.
* I donât think we need more than 2 of these. They are still
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 03:45:11PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Hi,
it's been a long-standing tradition on Linux to have 6 started getty
processes, in tty1 to tty6. However this doesn't correspond anymore to
the way we use our machines.
* I don't think we need more than 2 of these.
Hi,
* Does upstart make things like dynamic allocation of VTs
possible?
Upstart doesn't do anything special WRT to VTs. You can constantly
respawn a getty on /dev/tty3, or you can constantly respawn openvt
getty, or you can run a script once saying assign me a VT and then
Quoting Kurt Roeckx (k...@roeckx.be):
* I don't think we need more than 2 of these. They are still
useful for servers or when some disaster happens in the GUI, but
who opens 6 console sessions nowadays?
I still have 12 console sessions open, and use screen to have
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