2006/10/17, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 01:02:45PM +, Jason Spiro wrote:
I remember back in 2000 providing a Debian package called 'ayuda' ('help', in
Spanish) developed by members of my local IEEE Student Branch. This package
included ju
On Friday 20 October 2006 08:06, Peter Samuelson wrote:
> [Sander Marechal]
>
> > True, but I meant that an app can kill X, requiring it to be restarted.
> > Newbies get very confused at that point.
>
> Look, if you typed "startx" once, you can type it again.
>
> If you didn't, it means you're usin
[Sander Marechal]
> True, but I meant that an app can kill X, requiring it to be restarted.
> Newbies get very confused at that point.
Look, if you typed "startx" once, you can type it again.
If you didn't, it means you're using a display manager like xdm, and
xdm will restart X when it dies.
I
Em Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:26:26 -0200
"Yves Junqueira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu:
> It may be much cleaner to include help links /etc/motd, adivising the
> user to read a hipothetical
> "/usr/share/doc/linux-beginners/new-users", or enter a help-mode by
> typing a certain command.
Much cleaner, b
#include
* Thomas Viehmann [Thu, Oct 19 2006, 10:58:42AM]:
> Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > Or we could mimic FreeBSD behaviour: create a fortune-file with helpful
> > tips for newbies, and add a line in the default initialization files
> > (i.e., those in /etc/skel) for different shells that calls fo
On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 10:58:42AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > Or we could mimic FreeBSD behaviour: create a fortune-file with helpful
> > tips for newbies, and add a line in the default initialization files
> > (i.e., those in /etc/skel) for different shells that cal
Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Or we could mimic FreeBSD behaviour: create a fortune-file with helpful
> tips for newbies, and add a line in the default initialization files
> (i.e., those in /etc/skel) for different shells that calls fortune for
> those tips.
You mean like fortunes-debian-hints[1]?
Ki
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 10:26:26AM -0200, Yves Junqueira wrote:
> It may be much cleaner to include help links /etc/motd, adivising the
> user to read a hipothetical
> "/usr/share/doc/linux-beginners/new-users", or enter a help-mode by
> typing a certain command.
Or we could mimic FreeBSD behaviou
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 08:36:06AM +0200, Sander Marechal wrote:
>> If something happens to X then a user can end up in the terminal. Even a
>> faulty application can trash X.
>>
> I don't believe that an application can trash X so badly that it won't
> start anymore.
T
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 03:57:26AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> I agree that a help command and a set of DOS-friendly aliases *should*
> be enough, but since MS neutered the command.com interface a long time
> ago to the point where it ceased to be useful, I don't see how having
> such things
+++ Roberto C. Sanchez [17/10/06 20:27 -0400]:
IIRC, the majority of the "I ended up at a text prompt, what do I do
now?" questions we see on d-u are not X configuration problems. They
are newbies who pick all the defaults and up without X on their systems
entirely.
Yes. And this type of pr
Forwarding to the list.
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From: Yves Junqueira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Oct 17, 2006 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: How can the OS autodetect that a user is a newbie and offer help?
To: Jason Spiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On 10/17/06, Jason Spiro <[
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 09:01:16PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> We who used MS-DOS in 1985 were not appreciably smarter than people
> are now, yet we figured out DIR & COPY & DEL & CD. A HELP command
> and a set of DOS-friendly aliases (and/or scripts) would/should be
> adequate.
>
Yes, but muc
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 08:36:06AM +0200, Sander Marechal wrote:
>
> If something happens to X then a user can end up in the terminal. Even a
> faulty application can trash X.
>
I don't believe that an application can trash X so badly that it won't
start anymore. Misconfiguring X can certainly c
Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
> In a desktop environment, the user needs to do a special action to run
> the shell (such as starting the Gnome Terminal). It's somewhat unlikely
> that the user ends up in the "scary black screen" by accident, and even
> then he can easily find the familiar close button
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 11:48:33PM -0400, Jason Spiro wrote:
> >I remember back in 2000 providing a Debian package called 'ayuda' ('help',
> >in
> >Spanish) developed by members of my local IEEE Student Branch. This
> >package
> >included just a simple shell script ('ayuda') and a number of text
[I have snipped everything except the words I am replying to.]
2006/10/17, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think 'help' is by far the most common one ('?' might be close too).
Currently 'help' brings bash's help which might not be what a newbie
expected. Some (older?)
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:02:45 +0700, Jason Spiro
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
For example, when a person types newbie commands like "help" or "kde"
(which is bound to something already) or the DOS commands "del" or "ren"
(which are not), we should point them to more help. (In case anyone here
has
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On 10/17/06 19:35, David Nusinow wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 08:27:46PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 07:56:00PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 08:36:42AM +1000, Andrew Vaughan wrote:
[snip]
>
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 08:27:46PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 07:56:00PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 08:36:42AM +1000, Andrew Vaughan wrote:
> > > What's really needed is better help for newbies dumped unexpectedly at
> > > the
> > > com
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 07:56:00PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 08:36:42AM +1000, Andrew Vaughan wrote:
> > What's really needed is better help for newbies dumped unexpectedly at the
> > command-line because X wasn't installed/properly configured/didn't start.
>
> What's
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 08:36:42AM +1000, Andrew Vaughan wrote:
> What's really needed is better help for newbies dumped unexpectedly at the
> command-line because X wasn't installed/properly configured/didn't start.
What's really needed is to fix our X autoconfiguration mechanisms so that
this d
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 01:02:45PM +, Jason Spiro wrote:
> Hi all,
Hi there.
> For example, when a person types newbie commands like "help" or "kde"
> (which is bound to something already) or the DOS commands "del" or "ren"
> (which are not), we should point them to more help. (In case anyone
On Wednesday 18 October 2006 05:41, you wrote:
> On 2006-10-17, Goswin von Brederlow
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > Anyway, the usual way to detect a newbie and give help to them seems
> > to be to assume everyone a newbie and give little hints, startup tips,
> > ... till they learn en
e OS autodetect that a user is a newbie
> and offer help?
>
[snip]
>
> What would be a good help text to offer when a user types a command that
> indicates he/she is a newbie? Also, what package should I file a
> wishlist against to request that such help be added?
$ wajig search
On 2006-10-17, Goswin von Brederlow
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
>
> Anyway, the usual way to detect a newbie and give help to them seems
> to be to assume everyone a newbie and give little hints, startup tips,
> ... till they learn enough to turn them off. For examples see gimp or
> mc.
>
> P
Hi,
let me respond to the subject. I don't know about the rest of the
mail, sorry.
Anyway, the usual way to detect a newbie and give help to them seems
to be to assume everyone a newbie and give little hints, startup tips,
... till they learn enough to turn them off. For examples see gimp or
mc.
On 2006-10-17, Mario Iseli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We could start together a project which does this shell scripts, I think
> it's not really a lot of work. Don't file a bug, first we can do a
> "linuxnewbie" program and someone (maybe myself) will build a debian
> package one day.
Has anyone
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 01:02:45PM +, Jason Spiro wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I believe that since command-line Linux is hard to learn, Debian should
> offer handholding. (This would benefit both Debian users who are new to
> the command line and How can the OS autodetect that a u
Hi all,
I believe that since command-line Linux is hard to learn, Debian should
offer handholding. (This would benefit both Debian users who are new to
the command line and How can the OS autodetect that a user is a newbie
and offer help?
For example, when a person types newbie commands like
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