Re: Let’s turn DEP5 into something useful

2009-06-14 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2009-06-13 kello 10:52 +0200, Josselin Mouette kirjoitti: > So, how about dropping entirely anything that’s related to files and > only keep the amount of information we are requiring now? I feel sorry > for the giant bikeshedding thread about spaces and commas, but it is not > getting us anyw

Re: Let’s turn DEP5 into something useful

2009-06-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 13 juin 2009 à 23:25 +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : > Le Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:52:36AM +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit : > > > > So, how about dropping entirely anything that’s related to files and > > only keep the amount of information we are requiring now? I feel sorry > > for the

Re: Let’s turn DEP5 into something useful

2009-06-13 Thread Ben Finney
Charles Plessy writes: > What you probably complain about is this: > > Your debian/copyright file must contain the following information: > >- The author(s) name >- The year(s) of the copyright >- The used license(s) >- The URL to the upstream source > > In many package

Re: Let’s turn DEP5 into something useful

2009-06-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Johan Henriksson writes: > managed to ignore this discussion until now but anyway tossing in a coin. > > would it not be more interesting to standardize the format beyond > debian? if you get upstream authors and language designers to supply the > files then more "expensive" formats can be used,

Re: Let’s turn DEP5 into something useful

2009-06-13 Thread Robert Collins
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 15:28 +0200, Andreas Rottmann wrote: > > A build tool that pollutes the licence of what its used to build would > > be rather problematic > > > Indeed. But do you always need an exception? I had the impression that > the output of a GPL'd tool could be licensed at will, unle

Re: Let’s turn DEP5 into something useful

2009-06-13 Thread Ben Finney
Neil Williams writes: > On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:52:36 +0200 > Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Copyright: © 2008 John Doe > >© 2009 Initrode, Inc. > > # Actually I don’t think we should include detailed copyright > > # information, but that’s another story. > > If we can get a list of lic

Re: Let’s turn DEP5 into something useful

2009-06-13 Thread Andreas Rottmann
Robert Collins writes: > On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 13:35 +0200, Andreas Rottmann wrote: >> >> For that to work, you'd have to somehow indicate which files' licenses >> are going to be relevant to which binary package. For instance, many >> packages have (parts of the) build-system machinery GPL'd (e

Re: Let’s turn DEP5 into something useful

2009-06-13 Thread Robert Collins
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 13:35 +0200, Andreas Rottmann wrote: > > For that to work, you'd have to somehow indicate which files' licenses > are going to be relevant to which binary package. For instance, many > packages have (parts of the) build-system machinery GPL'd (e.g. the > ltmain.sh from libtoo

Re: Let’s turn DEP5 into something useful

2009-06-13 Thread Andreas Rottmann
Frank Lin PIAT writes: > On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 09:17 +, Bart Martens wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:52:36AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: >> > >> > The real problem with DEP5 is not the format (which is not worse for a >> > small package than the current one), it is with the unrealist

Re: Let’s turn DEP5 into something useful

2009-06-13 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 09:17 +, Bart Martens wrote: > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:52:36AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > > The real problem with DEP5 is not the format (which is not worse for a > > small package than the current one), it is with the unrealistic amount > > of information th

Re: Let’s turn DEP5 into something useful

2009-06-13 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11780 March 1977, Josselin Mouette wrote: > So, how about dropping entirely anything that’s related to files and > only keep the amount of information we are requiring now? I feel sorry > for the giant bikeshedding thread about spaces and commas, but it is not > getting us anywhere. You mean

Re: Let’s turn DEP5 into something useful

2009-06-13 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:52:36 +0200 Josselin Mouette wrote: ... the first positive contribution to DEP5 that I've seen in months - but then I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the bike-shedding. > currently, DEP5 is not, contrary to what the name says, about a > “machine-readable debian/c

Let’s turn DEP5 into something useful

2009-06-13 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi, currently, DEP5 is not, contrary to what the name says, about a “machine-readable debian/copyright”. It is about providing a much broader amount of licensing information on our source packages. The real problem with DEP5 is not the format (which is not worse for a small package than the curre