Re: Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2021-02-17 Thread Peter Green
> The same applies to the GNOME/GTK stack, where Flatpak is the way to go > for active development. libgtk-3-dev is really only for building Debian > packages from their point of view, too. Perhaps, but what matters is not upstream's point of view but Debian user's point of view. My perception i

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2021-02-17 Thread Shengjing Zhu
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 9:33 PM Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: [...] > And then I run "cargo build". Every time I get a message like: > > error: no matching package named `foo` found > > I install librust-foo-dev until finally: > > Parent pid 535147, child pid 535148 > Child p

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2021-02-17 Thread Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
Quoting Andrej Shadura (2020-11-10 10:27:44) > On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, at 08:28, Paul Wise wrote: > > > The current proposal is to reduce the main Packages.xz files size by > > > splitting[4] out all of the packages that are not intended for users, > > > writing those into an own file. Those packages

Re: Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2021-02-14 Thread Stephan Verbücheln
The same applies to the GNOME/GTK stack, where Flatpak is the way to go for active development. libgtk-3-dev is really only for building Debian packages from their point of view, too. But at least GNOME has scheduled releases which enable Debian stable to maintain it, while npm, pip, gems, cargo e

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-18 Thread Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY
Hello, (I thought I had sent this mail already, but it looks I haven't) One of the basic things we want is that users can get the source of their packages, modify a little, and make a new package for their own use. So in particular we want to be able to "apt source" and get all the sources, in t

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Matthias Klose writes: > On 11/11/20 8:37 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Rust and Go both vendor dependencies during their build. Python isn't >> really analogous; you *can* do something similar with virtualenvs, but >> (a) Python doesn't really have a build the way that Rust and Go do >> because on

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-17 Thread Matthias Klose
On 11/11/20 8:37 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: > Simon McVittie writes: >> My understanding is that Rust and Go code literally doesn't have >> analogous built-in system-wide search paths for third-party libraries, >> and when building Debian packages that contain Rust and Go code, we have >> to invent t

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-15 Thread Pirate Praveen
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 19:28, Tomas Pospisek wrote: This solution seems to be too trivial that nobody would have though of it, so what is it that I (and I guess many Debianers) are missing? *t Additionally these libraries change too fast and most of the time, there is no long term suppo

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-14 Thread Tomas Pospisek
On 13.11.20 20:51, Wolfgang Silbermayr wrote: [...detailed explanation of why the buildlibs proposal for Rust is necessary...] Thanks a lot for the explanation Wolfgang! *t

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-13 Thread Wolfgang Silbermayr
On 11/13/20 7:28 PM, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > Hi Antonio (and anybody else that understands the technical problem involved > here), > > I've been reading the whole thread and it seems to me that the reason, why > Rust/Go build-time "libraries" need to be handled differently from all the > other exi

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-13 Thread Tomas Pospisek
Hi Antonio (and anybody else that understands the technical problem involved here), I've been reading the whole thread and it seems to me that the reason, why Rust/Go build-time "libraries" need to be handled differently from all the other existing stuff in the world and that "no user ever wan

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 10 nov 20, 10:06:24, Paul Wise wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 9:28 AM Andrej Shadura wrote: > > > Development packages for Rust and Go usually only ship source code. > > This reminds me of the proposal for installable source packages that > one could (Build-)Depend on. Seems like that pr

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Simon McVittie writes: > I think perhaps the key thing here is that Python does *have* a > reasonably well-defined system-wide search path for packages outside the > Python core (/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages). Even if some projects > prefer to use pip instead of dist-packages, they can't claim

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-11 Thread Simon McVittie
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 at 14:26:55 +0100, Matthias Klose wrote: > If you ask some upstreams of Python based software, their recommendation would > be to use pip, and probably conda (a cross OS distribution focusing on Python) > to do upstream development. If you ask casual users, you probably will ge

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-11 Thread Geert Stappers
On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 02:26:55PM +0100, Matthias Klose wrote: > On 11/10/20 10:51 PM, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > On 15948 March 1977, Paul Wise wrote: > > > >> Does this include the -dev packages for C/etc libraries? > > > > No. > > > >> I guess it also applies to Haskell and other statically-li

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-11 Thread Antonio Terceiro
On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 06:52:14PM -0500, Calum McConnell wrote: > On Tue, 2020-11-10 at 10:07 +, Simon McVittie wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 10:45:07 +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote: > > > I'm confused. We are packaging libraries of language X but then those > > > packages > > > will not be

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-11 Thread Matthias Klose
On 11/10/20 10:51 PM, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 15948 March 1977, Paul Wise wrote: > >> Does this include the -dev packages for C/etc libraries? > > No. > >> I guess it also applies to Haskell and other statically-linked languages. >> https://wiki.debian.org/StaticLinking > > StaticLinking itse

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-11 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15949 March 1977, Thomas Goirand wrote: I'm sorry but I don't understand everything here. If we aren't going to have new components like main/contrib/non-free, how will it work? We main contain a new Packages.{gz,xz} file containing these? I'm guessing that it's not just a modification to

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/9/20 11:36 PM, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > [4] We first thought about an entire new archive, but that is much more >    separate, creating a higher workload on maintaining it. >    Additionally, it would create problems following the licenses of >    packages. Then we thought about a new component

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15949 March 1977, Calum McConnell wrote: The Rust community's expectation seems to be that you would install cargo, and use that to download and build the clap package directly from upstream, without apt/dpkg being involved at all. I don't know that that means we should abandon efforts to i

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-10 Thread Calum McConnell
On Tue, 2020-11-10 at 10:07 +, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 10:45:07 +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote: > > I'm confused. We are packaging libraries of language X but then those > > packages > > will not be used by people who write software for language X on > > Debian? > > Intuit

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15948 March 1977, Paul Wise wrote: Does this include the -dev packages for C/etc libraries? No. I guess it also applies to Haskell and other statically-linked languages. https://wiki.debian.org/StaticLinking StaticLinking itself is not enough. This is about languages where the actual

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-10 Thread Simon McVittie
On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 10:45:07 +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote: > I'm confused. We are packaging libraries of language X but then those packages > will not be used by people who write software for language X on Debian? > Intuitively, should I ever start with Rust, I would've thought that I had to >

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 9:28 AM Andrej Shadura wrote: > Development packages for Rust and Go usually only ship source code. This reminds me of the proposal for installable source packages that one could (Build-)Depend on. Seems like that proposal would also solve the issue with Go and Rust, as we

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-10 Thread Johannes Schauer
Hi, Quoting Andrej Shadura (2020-11-10 10:27:44) > On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, at 08:28, Paul Wise wrote: > > > The current proposal is to reduce the main Packages.xz files size by > > > splitting[4] out all of the packages that are not intended for users, > > > writing those into an own file. Those pack

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-10 Thread Michael Hudson-Doyle
On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 20:29, Paul Wise wrote: > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:37 PM Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > More and more packages are being uploaded into the Debian archive which > > are only ever used for building packages. These are not only never > > intended to be installed onto an end-user'

Re: Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:37 PM Joerg Jaspert wrote: > More and more packages are being uploaded into the Debian archive which > are only ever used for building packages. These are not only never > intended to be installed onto an end-user's system, they are even > actively discouraged from being

Split Packages files based on new section "buildlibs"

2020-11-09 Thread Joerg Jaspert
his gets implemented, both in dak and also apt, is still being discussed between the ftpteam and the apt maintainers. We have ideas from writing out section based packages files to presenting it as a subcomponent to main, and we think we will have something finalized pretty soon. It possibly n

Re: Empty Contents and Packages files in http://deb.debian.org/debian-debug?

2016-05-21 Thread Niels Thykier
Theodore Ts'o: > One other thought. Since someone might be trying to debug a core file > for an executable belonging to a package which has since been > superceded by a newer version in unstable or in testing, it would be > useful if there was a Redis (or some other NoSQL) database where you > can

Re: Empty Contents and Packages files in http://deb.debian.org/debian-debug?

2016-05-21 Thread Theodore Ts'o
One other thought. Since someone might be trying to debug a core file for an executable belonging to a package which has since been superceded by a newer version in unstable or in testing, it would be useful if there was a Redis (or some other NoSQL) database where you can look up a Build-ID and g

Re: Empty Contents and Packages files in http://deb.debian.org/debian-debug?

2016-05-21 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 04:34:19AM +, Niels Thykier wrote: > > Also, does anyone know if someone is working on a FUSE client that > > could be mounted on top of /usr/lib/debug/.build-id so that the > > debuginfo files could be automatically made available as needed when > > gdb tries to access

Re: Empty Contents and Packages files in http://deb.debian.org/debian-debug?

2016-05-21 Thread Jason Crain
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 12:12:11AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > Hi, is it intended that the Contents and Packages file in the dbgsyms > archive are empty? > > I was hoping to be able to add http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ > to my > apt.sources list so I could easily download the db

Re: Empty Contents and Packages files in http://deb.debian.org/debian-debug?

2016-05-20 Thread Niels Thykier
Theodore Ts'o: > Hi, is it intended that the Contents and Packages file in the dbgsyms > archive are empty? > Hi, http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/dists/unstable-debug/main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz does not appear to be empty? Mind you, the debug archive was created with less backw

Empty Contents and Packages files in http://deb.debian.org/debian-debug?

2016-05-20 Thread Theodore Ts'o
Hi, is it intended that the Contents and Packages file in the dbgsyms archive are empty? I was hoping to be able to add http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ to my apt.sources list so I could easily download the dbgsyms packages. Also, does anyone know if someone is working on a FUSE cli

Re: Essential and Packages files vs /etc/.

2010-03-16 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:10:10 +0100 Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:02:22PM +, Neil Williams wrote: > > and having Essential in the Packages file makes it harder than it > > could be to avoid Essential if the list was in /etc. > > If the list is in /etc, an ignorant u

Re: Essential and Packages files vs /etc/.

2010-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:02:22PM +, Neil Williams wrote: > and having Essential in the Packages file makes it harder than it > could be to avoid Essential if the list was in /etc. If the list is in /etc, an ignorant user may modify the list (remember, /etc is system-local!) and break th

Re: Essential and Packages files vs /etc/.

2010-03-14 Thread Neil Williams
in the Packages file - that could just be a file in /etc used by apt. The mechanism doesn't warrant being in the Packages file - I'm not seeking to drop the mechanism itself in Debian, just in certain controlled environments like Emdebian and the use of Packages files makes that unnecessari

Re: duplicate packages in Sources and Packages files

2009-12-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Lucas Nussbaum writes: > It is likely that other tools and scripts are affected. And there might > also be some affected packages (debmirror? APT proxies?). Certainly not debmirror. That alway had to cope with Arch:all packages being listed in each archs Packages file and the same version in sta

Re: duplicate packages in Sources and Packages files

2009-12-15 Thread Don Armstrong
This isn't a strict requirement, as the Packages file indicates the architecture of packages which are listed within it.] > At least for the packages files you should have a unique entry > - per architecture (in the sense of a > primary key in a database like UDD > >

Re: duplicate packages in Sources and Packages files

2009-12-15 Thread Andreas Tille
ersions of one package end up in different package files because they are for different architectures. At least for the packages files you should have a unique entry - per architecture (in the sense of a primary key in a database like UDD "packages_pkey" PRIIMARY KEY (packag

Re: duplicate packages in Sources and Packages files

2009-12-14 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11964 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > The result of that change is that the structure of the Sources and > Packages files have changed: before, there was only one version of each > source or binary package in each suite (unstable, testing, stable). There > can now be several

Re: duplicate packages in Sources and Packages files

2009-12-13 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > The result of that change is that the structure of the Sources and > Packages files have changed: before, there was only one version of > each source or binary package in each suite (unstable, testing, > stable). There can now be several ver

Re: duplicate packages in Sources and Packages files

2009-12-13 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Lucas Nussbaum said: > So, where should we go from there? Our options are: > - find & fix all the occurences of the problem ASAP. Please report it > if you notice strange things about version numbers or other data > that possibly comes from Sources/Packages. > - ask

duplicate packages in Sources and Packages files

2009-12-13 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
#x27;t find the email announcing that it was turned on, but that's another issue, possibly with my mail handling ;) The result of that change is that the structure of the Sources and Packages files have changed: before, there was only one version of each source or binary package in each suite

Re: piuparts-MBF: overwriting other packages files

2009-08-09 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Samstag, 8. August 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > So am I correct in my assumption that only file conflicts with > packages installed on the once-clean chroot would be detected by the > test? Or am I missing something? Yes. for the rest there is edos.debian.net :) > > Yes, the

Re: piuparts-MBF: overwriting other packages files

2009-08-08 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Aug 07 2009, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Freitag, 7. August 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> While it is good to discover these bugs, is puiparts the correct >> place to do this check? Won't puiparts only report on packages >> installed on the machine on which the test is run, and

Re: piuparts-MBF: overwriting other packages files

2009-08-07 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Manoj, On Freitag, 7. August 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Fri, Aug 07 2009, Holger Levsen wrote: > > Today I picked another simple category: packages which failed the > > piuparts test because the package tries to overwrite another packages > > files without de

Re: piuparts-MBF: overwriting other packages files

2009-08-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Aug 07 2009, Holger Levsen wrote: > Today I picked another simple category: packages which failed the piuparts > test because the package tries to overwrite another packages files without > declaring a conflict or replaces relation. See policy 7.4 and 7.6 at > http://ww

piuparts-MBF: overwriting other packages files

2009-08-07 Thread Holger Levsen
to overwrite another packages files without declaring a conflict or replaces relation. See policy 7.4 and 7.6 at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-conflicts and http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces http://piuparts.debian.org/sid

Bug#142164: Packages files should be in UTF-8

2005-10-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Kurt Roeckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 11:32:13PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> reassign 142164 general >> thanks >> >> Hi, >> >> Just because a topic has been discussed on the policy >> discussion list is not reason enough to assign the bug to >> policy.

Bug#142164: Packages files should be in UTF-8

2005-09-30 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 11:32:13PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > reassign 142164 general > thanks > > Hi, > > Just because a topic has been discussed on the policy > discussion list is not reason enough to assign the bug to > policy. Note that bug has been reassigned to the policy

Re: Entries in Packages files that lack a Source field

2005-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 07:34:46PM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: >> On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 12:18:55PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> > The detection of binary NMUs is currently, among others, using the >> > debian version of a package and

Re: Entries in Packages files that lack a Source field

2005-05-19 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 07:34:46PM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: > On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 12:18:55PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > The detection of binary NMUs is currently, among others, using the > > debian version of a package and guessing from its form. What is a > > binary NMU

Re: Entries in Packages files that lack a Source field

2005-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
name of >> > the binary package being described. This is an inconsistency that makes >> > it a bit harder to massage this data, e.g. with grep-dctrl. > >> Why not add a patch to grep-dctrl instead? > > grep-dctrl was only meant an example: every script

Re: Entries in Packages files that lack a Source field

2005-05-19 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 12:18:55PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > The detection of binary NMUs is currently, among others, using the > debian version of a package and guessing from its form. What is a > binary NMU and what not is not aparent from the Packages file. It has > been suggested to

Re: Entries in Packages files that lack a Source field

2005-05-19 Thread Adeodato =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sim=F3?=
an inconsistency that makes > > it a bit harder to massage this data, e.g. with grep-dctrl. > Why not add a patch to grep-dctrl instead? grep-dctrl was only meant an example: every script or whatever parsing Packages files will have to deal with that inconsistency (in the case of a Per

Re: Entries in Packages files that lack a Source field

2005-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns writes: > Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> The detection of binary NMUs is currently, among others, using the >> debian version of a package and guessing from its form. What is a >> binary NMU and what not is not aparent from the Packages file. It has >> been suggested to insert Sourc

Re: Entries in Packages files that lack a Source field

2005-05-19 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20050519T205101+1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > Something equivalent to: > > cat /var/lib/dpkg/available | > awk '/^Package:/ {P=$2;V=""} > /^Version:/ {if (V=="") { V=$2; } } > /^Source: .* (.*)/ {V=substr($3,2,length($3)-2)} > /^Source:/ {P=$2} > /^$/ {

Re: Entries in Packages files that lack a Source field

2005-05-19 Thread Anthony Towns
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: The detection of binary NMUs is currently, among others, using the debian version of a package and guessing from its form. What is a binary NMU and what not is not aparent from the Packages file. It has been suggested to insert Source: entries pointing to the original so

Re: Entries in Packages files that lack a Source field

2005-05-19 Thread Anthony Towns
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: As you probably know, entries in the Packages file only have a Source field if the name of the source package is different from the name of the binary package being described. Why not add a patch to grep-dctrl instead? What patch would that be? Something equivalent to:

Re: Entries in Packages files that lack a Source field

2005-05-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
t it greps but is ment to work on anything resembling RFC822 headers. So while it would be possible to teach grep-dctrl about Packages files and add Source: ... lines it is not desireable. There is also another reason for more Source: ... entries in the Packages file mentioned in an unrelated threa

Re: Entries in Packages files that lack a Source field

2005-05-19 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20050519T153811+1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > Adeodato Simó wrote: > > As you probably know, entries in the Packages file only have a Source > > field if the name of the source package is different from the name of > > the binary package being described. This is an inconsistency that makes > >

Re: Entries in Packages files that lack a Source field

2005-05-18 Thread Anthony Towns
Adeodato Simó wrote: As you probably know, entries in the Packages file only have a Source field if the name of the source package is different from the name of the binary package being described. This is an inconsistency that makes it a bit harder to massage this data, e.g. with grep-dctrl

Entries in Packages files that lack a Source field

2005-05-18 Thread Adeodato Simó
Hello all, As you probably know, entries in the Packages file only have a Source field if the name of the source package is different from the name of the binary package being described. This is an inconsistency that makes it a bit harder to massage this data, e.g. with grep-dctrl. Befo

Re: mirror the Packages files _after_ the packages!

2005-02-16 Thread Frank Küster
Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Does http://www.debian.org/mirror/ at least have the > two-phase-mirroring script? Why don't you go and look? And if you find the information too sparse, submit a bug report with a patch? Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zür

Re: mirror the Packages files _after_ the packages!

2005-02-16 Thread Dan Jacobson
Jeroen> Debian could promote this two-phase mirroring a bit more Jeroen> maybe, and/or provide nice scripts, that's probably why #6786 Jeroen> is still open. I suppose Debian is promoting one-phase mirroring and two phase mirroring is "roll your own". If you want me to tell my administrator to do

Re: mirror the Packages files _after_ the packages!

2005-02-15 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi Jeroen, > How mirrors do their mirroring is up to the local mirror administrator, > not to the general debian developer's community. Debian could promote > this two-phase mirroring a bit more maybe, and/or provide nice scripts, > that's probably why #6786 is still open. > > BUT DEBIAN CANNOT I

Re: mirror the Packages files _after_ the packages!

2005-02-15 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 11:51:10PM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: > S> You've been told this before -- *debian-devel does not control the > mirroring > S> implementation used by arbitrary Debian mirrors*. Either talk to the > mirror > S> team and give them enough information to track this down, or -

Re: mirror the Packages files _after_ the packages!

2005-02-15 Thread Dan Jacobson
S> You've been told this before -- *debian-devel does not control the mirroring S> implementation used by arbitrary Debian mirrors*. Either talk to the mirror S> team and give them enough information to track this down, or -- since you S> know him well enough to be kept in the loop about his vacat

Re: mirror the Packages files _after_ the packages!

2005-02-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 09:51:44AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: > I know you Debian people think it's just hilarious when users try to > apt-get upgrade during the period after when the Packages files > arrive on the mirrors, but before the packages they describe have > fully arr

Re: mirror the Packages files _after_ the packages!

2005-02-12 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi Dan, On Wednesday, 09 Feb 2005, Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know you Debian people think it's just hilarious when users try to > apt-get upgrade during the period after when the Packages files > arrive on the mirrors, but before the packages they describe

mirror the Packages files _after_ the packages!

2005-02-12 Thread Dan Jacobson
I know you Debian people think it's just hilarious when users try to apt-get upgrade during the period after when the Packages files arrive on the mirrors, but before the packages they describe have fully arrived. "Haw haw haw, try again later", you say, never thinking that ma

Re: Bug#294506: zope-textindexng2: Package builds incorrectly on amd64: Python site-packages files do not install

2005-02-09 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Per Bojsen wrote: Package: zope-textindexng2 Version: 1:2.0.8-4 Severity: normal When this package is built on the amd64 architecture, the files that are to go in the /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/zope-textindexng2 directory fail to be installed. This is not obvious when the

Re: add Date: field to Packages files

2004-12-13 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Santiago Vila wrote: > >> On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Dan Jacobson wrote: > >> > Say, perhaps a "Date:" field could be added to Packages files

Re: add Date: field to Packages files

2004-12-12 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Matthew Palmer said: > On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 06:06:59PM -0500, Stephen Gran wrote: > > This one time, at band camp, Dan Jacobson said: > > > Off line with just the Packages file, you can't tell a dusty 1997 > > > package from an up to the minute state of the art packa

Re: add Date: field to Packages files

2004-12-12 Thread John Hasler
Stephen Gran writes: > You have the changelogs. Use them. The changelogs are in the Packages file? -- John Hasler

Re: add Date: field to Packages files

2004-12-12 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 06:06:59PM -0500, Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Dan Jacobson said: > > Off line with just the Packages file, you can't tell a dusty 1997 > > package from an up to the minute state of the art package. > > You have the changelogs. Use them. You must hav

Re: add Date: field to Packages files

2004-12-12 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Dan Jacobson said: > Off line with just the Packages file, you can't tell a dusty 1997 > package from an up to the minute state of the art package. You have the changelogs. Use them. -- - | ,''`.

Re: add Date: field to Packages files

2004-12-12 Thread Dan Jacobson
I challenge you to tell me the dates of the packages using just the Packages file. The best you can do is $ grep-available -F version 200 -s Version|wc -l 1207 But that still leaves $ grep-available -F version 200 -vs Version|wc -l 15127 packages that don't put the date into their version numbers.

Re: add Date: field to Packages files

2004-12-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Santiago Vila wrote: > >> On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Dan Jacobson wrote: >> >> > Say, perhaps a "Date:" field could be added to Packages files. >> > I mean even dog food has the date stamp

Re: add Date: field to Packages files

2004-12-10 Thread Adam Heath
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Santiago Vila wrote: > On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Dan Jacobson wrote: > > > Say, perhaps a "Date:" field could be added to Packages files. > > I mean even dog food has the date stamped on it these days. > > Even my crumby message has a Date: fiel

Re: add Date: field to Packages files

2004-12-10 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Dan Jacobson wrote: > Say, perhaps a "Date:" field could be added to Packages files. > I mean even dog food has the date stamped on it these days. > Even my crumby message has a Date: field. > Sure, as your eyes scan the MD5sum: field, the package&#x

add Date: field to Packages files

2004-12-10 Thread Dan Jacobson
Say, perhaps a "Date:" field could be added to Packages files. I mean even dog food has the date stamped on it these days. Even my crumby message has a Date: field. Sure, as your eyes scan the MD5sum: field, the package's DNA is registered in your brain. But us old fashioned types w

Re: future Date: field for Packages files

2003-08-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Regarding a future Date: field for each package in Packages files, > * Should the field be called Date: or Time:? > * Should it be like "Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:09:30 GMT" or "1061315862"? > * Should it refer to the ti

Re: future Date: field for Packages files

2003-08-19 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Dan Jacobson wrote: > Regarding a future Date: field for each package in Packages files, > * Should the field be called Date: or Time:? > * Should it be like "Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:09:30 GMT" or "1061315862"? > * Should it refer to the time the

future Date: field for Packages files

2003-08-19 Thread Dan Jacobson
Regarding a future Date: field for each package in Packages files, * Should the field be called Date: or Time:? * Should it be like "Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:09:30 GMT" or "1061315862"? * Should it refer to the time the developer finished wrapping the package, or the time it ente

RFC: Changing the Packages files

2000-12-27 Thread Otto Wyss
With the introduction of the packages pool, I'm going to propose the following change to the Packages files: 1. The filename tells what the Packages files contains: Packages files should be independent of the their location, therefor the name has to reflect their contents, i.e. &quo

Re: dpkg-scanpackages arguments, output Packages files, and apt

2000-09-03 Thread Michael Beattie
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 08:44:16PM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: > > This was what I had to write to make a Packages file in a flat dir: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/public_html/debian$ dpkg-scanpackages . override ./ > > >Packages > > You don't have to supply a third argument. and /dev/null works fine f

Re: dpkg-scanpackages arguments, output Packages files, and apt

2000-08-31 Thread Herbert Xu
Eray Ozkural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This was what I had to write to make a Packages file in a flat dir: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/public_html/debian$ dpkg-scanpackages . override ./ > >Packages You don't have to supply a third argument. -- Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 is out! ( http://www.debian.org

dpkg-scanpackages arguments, output Packages files, and apt

2000-08-30 Thread Eray Ozkural
I was running dpkg-scanpackages to construct a custom apt source. This was the first time I really ran it, so I encountered the peculiar style that I had to conform to. This was what I had to write to make a Packages file in a flat dir: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/public_html/debian$ dpkg-scanpackages .

Re: How to create those "Packages" files?

1999-05-18 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 06:17:40PM +0200, Thomas Schoepf was heard to say: > > How are those Packages(.gz) files on ftp.debian.org created? Is there a > .deb package available for download that provides that functionality? > I believe that dpkg-scanpackages, available in the dpkg-dev package,

Re: How to create those "Packages" files?

1999-05-18 Thread Remco van de Meent
Thomas Schoepf wrote: > > How are those Packages(.gz) files on ftp.debian.org created? Is there a > .deb package available for download that provides that functionality? dpkg-scanpackages from the dpkg-dev package creates the Packages file. HTH, -Remco

How to create those "Packages" files?

1999-05-18 Thread Thomas Schoepf
How are those Packages(.gz) files on ftp.debian.org created? Is there a .deb package available for download that provides that functionality? TIA! Thomas -- Debian GNU/Linux Developer PGP public key http://www.debian.org/ KeyID 2EA7BBBD

Re: Missing packages files

1999-01-21 Thread Bob Nielsen
It must have been a temporary glitch, the files are now available. Bob On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Bob Nielsen wrote: > It seems that all the hamm and slink packages files, as well as those for > contrib and non-free (but not main) in potato are currently missing on > three mirrors I hav

Re: Missing packages files

1999-01-21 Thread Bob Nielsen
is helps. > Paul > > On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Bob Nielsen wrote: > > It seems that all the hamm and slink packages files, as well as those for > contrib and non-free (but not main) in potato are currently missing on > three mirrors I have checked today. > > Agggh! >

Re: Missing packages files

1999-01-21 Thread Paul McDermott
/dh_builddeb.1.gz php3-doc: /usr/doc/php3-doc/html/function.hw-getchilddoccoll.html debhelper: /usr/bin/dh_builddeb [paul:~]$ hope this helps. Paul On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Bob Nielsen wrote: It seems that all the hamm and slink packages files, as well as those for contrib and non-free (but not main) in

Missing packages files

1999-01-21 Thread Bob Nielsen
It seems that all the hamm and slink packages files, as well as those for contrib and non-free (but not main) in potato are currently missing on three mirrors I have checked today. Agggh! Bob

Re: On adding size info to Packages files

1998-06-09 Thread Michael Bramer
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 09:31:01AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>"Michael" == Michael Bramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Michael> If the the size information isn't in the debian-package, > Michael> then i must download two files (NAME-VERSION.deb and > Michael> NAME-VERSION.size.gz) or

Re: On adding size info to Packages files [very long]

1998-06-07 Thread Raul Miller
Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is du -k not the answer? du -S, but you need to know how many files are in each directory to estimate block-size overhead -- assume that each file requires two thirds of a block of unused space and you won't be too far off. -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, ema

Re: On adding size info to Packages files [very long]

1998-06-07 Thread Jules Bean
On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Raul Miller wrote: > Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How is it possible to check for block sizes with lintian? And what do you > > expect a maintainer to do if they use a different block size and lintian > > dislikes that? Reformat? > > To deal with block sizes we'll

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