Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-02 Thread Michael Neuffer
On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, Thomas Koenig wrote: > Michael Neuffer wrote: > > >This is not necessary. gcc 2.8 includes the pentium optimizations > >from pgcc. > > All of it? No not all, they took a stable subset. Mike -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAI

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-02 Thread Thomas Koenig
Michael Neuffer wrote: >This is not necessary. gcc 2.8 includes the pentium optimizations >from pgcc. All of it? My impression from the pgcc FAQ at http://www.goof.com/ was that only some optimizations (mostly instruction scheduling) will be taken from pgcc. The rather active pgcc development

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-02 Thread Michael Neuffer
On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, Thomas Koenig wrote: > >I don't think it does any optimization at all for pentium. > > Correct. Of course, there's the experimental pgcc (http://www.goof.com/, > if anybody wants to look). > > I'd like to pack this up and stuff it into experimental, if I had a > little more t

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-02 Thread Ben Pfaff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen) writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Schwarz) wrote on 01.06.97 in <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]>: > > > Where is the arch specification string used, i.e. what will break if we > > change it to be "i386-linux" on intel systems? > > I'm not competent enough to answer

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-01 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Schwarz) wrote on 01.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Where is the arch specification string used, i.e. what will break if we > change it to be "i386-linux" on intel systems? I'm not competent enough to answer this. Anything tightly integrated with gcc, but is there

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-01 Thread Galen Hazelwood
Rob Browning wrote: > > Galen Hazelwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I think it also chooses some instructions differently for a 486, and > > these choices are also good on the pentium. That's why, when building > > binaries for my use, I use -m486 but add flags which turn off the > > align

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-01 Thread Rob Browning
Galen Hazelwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think it also chooses some instructions differently for a 486, and > these choices are also good on the pentium. That's why, when building > binaries for my use, I use -m486 but add flags which turn off the > alignment. Right, I had heard that thes

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-01 Thread Michael Neuffer
On 1 Jun 1997, Guy Maor wrote: > Galen Hazelwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Perhaps. Anybody have any serious arguments? I think the reason we > > configure gcc as i486 is so it automatically optimizes for the 486; it's > > a good middle ground. > > I think the only optimization gcc 2.7

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-01 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, Galen Hazelwood wrote: > Raul Miller wrote: > > > > On May 31, Galen Hazelwood wrote > > > Perhaps. Anybody have any serious arguments? I think the reason we > > > configure gcc as i486 is so it automatically optimizes for the 486; it's > > > a good middle ground. > > > >

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-01 Thread Christian Schwarz
On 1 Jun 1997, Kai Henningsen wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Galen Hazelwood) wrote on 31.05.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Christian Schwarz wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 29 May 1997, Galen Hazelwood wrote: > > > > (Don't ask me what the historical reasons are, though. I might start to > > > > whi

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-01 Thread Galen Hazelwood
Guy Maor wrote: > I think the only optimization gcc 2.7.* does for i486 is instruction > alignment. The Pentium has a better fetch unit so doesn't need any > alignment (it never incurs a misfetch penalty) so optimizing for i486 > will at least give some code bloat. I think it also chooses some in

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-01 Thread Thomas Koenig
Guy Maor wrote: [gcc 2.7.2] >I don't think it does any optimization at all for pentium. Correct. Of course, there's the experimental pgcc (http://www.goof.com/, if anybody wants to look). I'd like to pack this up and stuff it into experimental, if I had a little more time *sigh*. -- Thomas Ko

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-01 Thread Guy Maor
Galen Hazelwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Perhaps. Anybody have any serious arguments? I think the reason we > configure gcc as i486 is so it automatically optimizes for the 486; it's > a good middle ground. I think the only optimization gcc 2.7.* does for i486 is instruction alignment. Th

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-01 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Galen Hazelwood) wrote on 31.05.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Christian Schwarz wrote: > > > > On Thu, 29 May 1997, Galen Hazelwood wrote: > > > (Don't ask me what the historical reasons are, though. I might start to > > > whimper...) > > > > Sorry, but I couldn't resist :-) Wh

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-01 Thread Galen Hazelwood
Raul Miller wrote: > > On May 31, Galen Hazelwood wrote > > Perhaps. Anybody have any serious arguments? I think the reason we > > configure gcc as i486 is so it automatically optimizes for the 486; it's > > a good middle ground. > > If I remember right, configuring for pentium leaves an execut

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-01 Thread Raul Miller
On May 31, Galen Hazelwood wrote > Perhaps. Anybody have any serious arguments? I think the reason we > configure gcc as i486 is so it automatically optimizes for the 486; it's > a good middle ground. If I remember right, configuring for pentium leaves an executable that might not run on 386 or

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-01 Thread Galen Hazelwood
Christian Schwarz wrote: > > On Thu, 29 May 1997, Galen Hazelwood wrote: > > (Don't ask me what the historical reasons are, though. I might start to > > whimper...) > > Sorry, but I couldn't resist :-) What are the reasons? I don't know. That's why I whimper... > If we make this policy, we sh

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-06-01 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Thu, 29 May 1997, Galen Hazelwood wrote: > Christian Schwarz wrote: > > > > Next step: GNU's "configure" utility. I thought that we had agreed on > > using > > i386-unknown-linux > > (and similar for the other architectures), but then I had just discovered > > that GCC uses > >

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-05-30 Thread Tom Lees
On Thu, 29 May 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > Hi folks! > > As I'm working on a new Policy I'm handling the request to include a > policy for "correct architecture spec strings". However, I've discovered > _several_ threads here on debian-devel without any (obvious) results. > > Is it correct

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-05-30 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Thu, 29 May 1997, Vincent Renardias wrote: > > On Thu, 29 May 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > > > Is it correct, that we are currently working on ports to the following > > platforms (the abbrevs should be the ones that dpkg is using in the file > > names): > > i386 > > alpha > >

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-05-29 Thread Galen Hazelwood
Christian Schwarz wrote: > > Next step: GNU's "configure" utility. I thought that we had agreed on > using > i386-unknown-linux > (and similar for the other architectures), but then I had just discovered > that GCC uses > /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/ >

Re: RFC: Policy for arch specs

1997-05-29 Thread Vincent Renardias
On Thu, 29 May 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > Is it correct, that we are currently working on ports to the following > platforms (the abbrevs should be the ones that dpkg is using in the file > names): > i386 > alpha > arm > m68k > powerpc > sparc > Are thes