Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-05 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:54:30 +0200 Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Wise wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:15 PM, William Pitcock > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Honestly, policy really needs to be updated to use the XDG > >> standards menu spec, and every WM at this po

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-05 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:54:30 +0200 Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Another solution would be to make debian-menu build .desktop > >> entries for the menu in the main menu namespace and not the > >> 'Debian' namespace; this seems like the easiest solution. > > > +1 > > I don'

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-05 Thread William Pitcock
Hi, On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 01:46 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > You mean the specification that is followed mostly in the breech by actual > implementations and to which KDE at least has a whole ton of extensions? > I think the XDG standard is actually *based* on the Desktop Entry spec from KDE1/KD

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You mean the specification that is followed mostly in the breech by > actual implementations and to which KDE at least has a whole ton of > extensions? Or in the breach, even. Although in the breech does sum up my opinion on parts of it. :) Some examp

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-05 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Paul Wise wrote: > On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:15 PM, William Pitcock > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Honestly, policy really needs to be updated to use the XDG standards >> menu spec, and every WM at this point really should be using them for >> their menus. >> >> I think the debian-menu system sh

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-05 Thread Russ Allbery
William Pitcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Honestly, policy really needs to be updated to use the XDG standards > menu spec, and every WM at this point really should be using them for > their menus. You mean the specification that is followed mostly in the breech by actual implementations and

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-05 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 02:42:27AM -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > For discussion: > > Gnome, KDE, and XFCE are the the top three desktops used in debian and > cover most users of desktops in debian. > > They all use xdg .desktop-based menus as their main menu. You already opened a bug against

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:15 PM, William Pitcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Honestly, policy really needs to be updated to use the XDG standards > menu spec, and every WM at this point really should be using them for > their menus. > > I think the debian-menu system should be seen as legacy, sinc

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-05 Thread William Pitcock
Hi, On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 02:42 -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > For discussion: > > Gnome, KDE, and XFCE are the the top three desktops used in debian and > cover most users of desktops in debian. > > They all use xdg .desktop-based menus as their main menu. > > xdg .desktop-based menus are no

Re: Gnome 2.21???

2008-01-23 Thread Cyril Jaquier
Hi Julien, >>> We currently maintain a little amount of GONME 2.21 modules in >>> experimental, mostly platform stuff, lacking the manpower to follow >>> the full set, send bugs upstream etc. >> Sad :( But why don't you "backport" Ubuntu packages? >> > How would that solve the lack of manpower? >

Re: Re: Gnome 2.21???

2008-01-23 Thread Julien Cristau
On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 18:35:50 +0100, Cyril Jaquier wrote: > Hi Loïc, > > > We currently maintain a little amount of GONME 2.21 modules in > > experimental, mostly platform stuff, lacking the manpower to follow > > the full set, send bugs upstream etc. > > Sad :( But why don't you "backport" Ubu

Re: Re: Gnome 2.21???

2008-01-23 Thread Cyril Jaquier
Hi Loïc, > We currently maintain a little amount of GONME 2.21 modules in > experimental, mostly platform stuff, lacking the manpower to follow > the full set, send bugs upstream etc. Sad :( But why don't you "backport" Ubuntu packages? Please, could you CC me next time? Thanks. Regards, Cyri

Re: Gnome 2.21???

2008-01-23 Thread Loïc Minier
On Wed, Jan 23, 2008, Cyril Jaquier wrote: > A few months ago, I switched from Gentoo to Debian. I used to install/test > the development version of Gnome when it reached the API/UI freeze. Gentoo > has the "Gentoo Gnome Overlay" [1] where Gnome packages are tested before > going into the main P

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-16 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 11:53:50PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > As per release goal, gnome 1.x won't be shipped in Lenny. I just started > > a first round of bugs (severity important for now), with user/usertag > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]/gnome-1.x-removal so that people

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-16 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Thomas Bushnell BSG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Because the last time you all did this it got all the way to deleting > the packages and I had to run around and clean that up. I'm asking you > to give the maintainers a chance. That's all. Is it really that hard > to do? Isn't this what is h

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 10:53:50PM +, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > As per release goal, gnome 1.x won't be shipped in Lenny. I just started > > a first round of bugs (severity important for now), with user/usertag > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]/gnome-1.x-removal so that people

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Pierre Habouzit wrote: > As per release goal, gnome 1.x won't be shipped in Lenny. I just started > a first round of bugs (severity important for now), with user/usertag > [EMAIL PROTECTED]/gnome-1.x-removal so that people > interested in that goal can track our progress. Two thumbs up, thanks for

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 19:56 +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > We can surely keep all old cruft in the archive and never release again > (or not with these packages anyway), though I don't think that is > preferred from a quality assurance, security nor release point of view... Of course, this isn't what

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Ben Finney
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Instead of saying "we're deleting this, you will all have to adapt", > say, "we aren't maintaining this anymore; if you want it, you'll > have to start taking it over." Isn't that exactly what bug #369130 means? I thought it was the responsibility

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I wouldn't. I don't keep tabs on every package that my packages depend > on. One of them could be orphaned and I would never know. Running wnpp-alert weekly out of cron is a good idea for any DD, IMO. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Luk Claes
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 13:39 +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: >> "cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> "As long as there's interest the software will stay alive" is one of the >>> main tenets of Free Software. Consequently, IMHO, as long as th

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 17:02 +, Neil McGovern wrote: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 11:35:54AM -0500, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > So please, let these maintainers choose, rather than ordering them > > about. It is *they* who are in a position to decide whether maintaining > > gnome 1.x is worth

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 13:39 +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > "cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > "As long as there's interest the software will stay alive" is one of the > > main tenets of Free Software. Consequently, IMHO, as long as there's people > > willing to

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 17:56 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > So please, let these maintainers choose, rather than ordering them > > about. It is *they* who are in a position to decide whether maintaining > > gnome 1.x is worth it. Of course, it will also be up to them to do the > > maintenance.

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 11:35:54AM -0500, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > So please, let these maintainers choose, rather than ordering them > about. It is *they* who are in a position to decide whether maintaining > gnome 1.x is worth it. Of course, it will also be up to them to do the > maintenanc

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 04:35:54PM +, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 10:34 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 01:10:26AM +, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > > Don't start filing remove requests until other maintainers have a > > > chance. Take th

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 10:34 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 01:10:26AM +, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Don't start filing remove requests until other maintainers have a > > chance. Take the step of contacting those who maintain packages that > > depend on the librari

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Tuesday 15 January 2008, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > "cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > "As long as there's interest the software will stay alive" is one of > > the main tenets of Free Software. Consequently, IMHO, as long as > > there's people willing to maintain i

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
"cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "As long as there's interest the software will stay alive" is one of the > main tenets of Free Software. Consequently, IMHO, as long as there's people > willing to maintain it, it shouldn't be removed regardless of how old it > is. GNO

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Tuesday 15 January 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 01:10:26AM +, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Don't start filing remove requests until other maintainers have a > > chance. Take the step of contacting those who maintain packages that > > depend on the libraries you w

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 09:34:54AM +, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 01:10:26AM +, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Don't start filing remove requests until other maintainers have a > > chance. Take the step of contacting those who maintain packages that > > depend on the l

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 01:10:26AM +, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Don't start filing remove requests until other maintainers have a > chance. Take the step of contacting those who maintain packages that > depend on the libraries you want to remove, post RFAs instead of remove > requests, and

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-14 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/14/08 19:20, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > (Dropping -release, which is not a discussion list, and Pierre, who is > obviously subscribed to both.) > > On 15/01/2008, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> This is not the right process for something like this.

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-14 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 02:20 +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > (Dropping -release, which is not a discussion list, and Pierre, who is > obviously subscribed to both.) > > On 15/01/2008, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > This is not the right process for something like this. Instead, I > > believe you s

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-14 Thread Cyril Brulebois
(Dropping -release, which is not a discussion list, and Pierre, who is obviously subscribed to both.) On 15/01/2008, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > This is not the right process for something like this. Instead, I > believe you should find out specifically which packages depend on > gnome 1.x, and o

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-14 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 00:07 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Then I'll do some more runs of the same principle on other gnome 1.x > related libs until we got rid of them al. > > If you know your package depends on gnome 1.x one way or the other, now > is the time to fix that, package a new upstrea

Re: Nice use of profanity...(Re: GNOME and trolls)

2007-02-20 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On mar, 2007-02-20 at 19:40 +0100, Florian Ludwig wrote: > Anyway I just wondering: Why, WHY are you telling debian-devel that > you > switched from gnome to xfce? To please Xfce maintainers! -- Yves-Alexis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble?

Re: Nice use of profanity...(Re: GNOME and trolls)

2007-02-20 Thread Florian Ludwig
Am Montag, den 19.02.2007, 14:37 -0500 schrieb Greg Folkert: > On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 20:27 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > > If you could also shut the fuck up, that would be even better. > > I see you have a great command of the language. Really... I'd expect > nothing better. You should re

Re: Nice use of profanity...(Re: GNOME and trolls)

2007-02-20 Thread Russell Coker
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 09:30, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why the gratuitous insult to Indian and Indians here? Or do > > you think only one country has people who deserve pity? there are > > no unfortunate people in developed countries? > > It has been

Re: Nice use of profanity...(Re: GNOME and trolls)

2007-02-20 Thread Russell Coker
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 21:05, "Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Why the gratuitous insult to Indian and Indians here? Or do > > > > you think only one country has people who deserve pity? there are > > > > no unfortunate people in developed countries? > > >

Re: Nice use of profanity...(Re: GNOME and trolls)

2007-02-20 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
On 2/20/07, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 20 February 2007 09:30, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why the gratuitous insult to Indian and Indians here? Or do > > you think only one country has people who deserve pity? there are > > no unfortunate p

Re: Nice use of profanity...(Re: GNOME and trolls)

2007-02-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:09:10 -0600, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:53:55 +0100, Josselin Mouette > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> Currently, there are people in India that need your pity more than >> Debian developers having fun of your stupidity. > Wh

Re: Nice use of profanity...(Re: GNOME and trolls)

2007-02-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:53:55 +0100, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Currently, there are people in India that need your pity more than > Debian developers having fun of your stupidity. Why the gratuitous insult to Indian and Indians here? Or do you think only one country h

Re: Nice use of profanity...(Re: GNOME and trolls)

2007-02-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 19 février 2007 à 14:37 -0500, Greg Folkert a écrit : > I see you have a great command of the language. Really... I'd expect > nothing better. You should realize that you are just making a better and > better case for how much the GNOME teams alienate the users they are > supposedly servic

Nice use of profanity...(Re: GNOME and trolls)

2007-02-19 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 20:27 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > If you could also shut the fuck up, that would be even better. I see you have a great command of the language. Really... I'd expect nothing better. You should realize that you are just making a better and better case for how much the

Re: GNOME and trolls

2007-02-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 19 février 2007 à 11:05 -0500, Greg Folkert a écrit : > I guess, even when someone really does try to be level headed and cool > about the whole thing, they get shutdown exactly the same way I do... > just a bit more gentle. You mean, like Christian Schaller who actually chose to submit T

Re: GNOME and trolls

2007-02-19 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 16:20 +0100, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > That said, he should have just used reportbug and let the maintainers > work it out :) s/work\ it\ out/reject\ it\/won\'t\ fix\ it/ Sorry, but when I see things like this: http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/desktop_archi

Re: GNOME and trolls

2007-02-19 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 2/17/07, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ah, finally found them by searching on Slashdot. http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2007-February/001129.html Basically, there's zero chance they get accepted this way, as a patch not in bugzilla simply doesn't g

Re: GNOME and trolls

2007-02-17 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Josselin Mouette may or may not have written... [snip] > For people more interested in improving window manager experience than > trolling or adding more options to an already cluttered control center, > there is an ongoing discussion about the general window design on > desktop-deve

Re: GNOME and trolls

2007-02-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 17 février 2007 à 10:59 +0100, Josselin Mouette a écrit : > Do you have some pointers to more constructive actions, like the patches > you are claiming he wrote? Ah, finally found them by searching on Slashdot. http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2007-February/

Re: GNOME and usability.

2007-02-17 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Seems I am not the only one that believes GNOME is limiting. > > Linus Torvalds has submitted patches. I am betting they get ignored or > rejected with "to complex for our idiot users". > > Yes, Joss could you please explain this away for me? Errrm, I kno

Re: GNOME and usability.

2007-02-17 Thread sean finney
could you please take your trolling elsewhere? kthxbye. sean On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 21:09 -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > Seems I am not the only one that believes GNOME is limiting. > > Linus Torvalds has submitted patches. I am betting they get ignored or > rejected with "to complex for

Re: GNOME and usability.

2007-02-17 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 09:09:35PM -0500, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seems I am not the only one that believes GNOME is limiting. > > Linus Torvalds has submitted patches. I am betting they get ignored or > rejected with "to complex for our idiot users". > > Yes, Joss could you pl

Re: Gnome crashing/freezing on testing machine

2006-12-03 Thread Sam Morris
On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 13:30:11 +, Julian Gilbey wrote: > occasions), I can't even kill the GNOME process (kill -9 failed on > several processes running under GNOME). That's really weird, and I've > never seen this sort of behaviour before. That can happen if the process is in uninterruptible sl

Re: gnome 1 packages up for adoption

2006-09-18 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Steve Langasek wrote: > Hmm, I've looked over the packages mentioned above, and none of the others > seem to be removable. I think someone's been sneaking new GNOME1 packages > into the archive when I wasn't looking. :) > > libcapplet is closest, only python-gnome-1.2 as a reverse-dep after the

Re: gnome 1 packages up for adoption

2006-09-12 Thread Steve Langasek
reassign 385417 ftp.debian.org retitle 385417 RM: gwrapguile -- RoQA; orphaned, obsolete library thanks On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 02:30:42PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-27 15:39]: > > > I have been maintaining the following gnome-1 support packages:

Re: gnome 1 packages up for adoption

2006-09-12 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-27 15:39]: > > I have been maintaining the following gnome-1 support packages: > > bonobo gal0.x gnome-libs gnome-print gtkhtml gwrapguile imlib > > libcapplet libglade oaf > gwrapguile and gtkhtml have no reverse-dependencies in Debian except for >

Re: gnome 1 packages up for adoption

2006-05-28 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, May 27, 2006, Steve Langasek wrote: >>python-gnome has a build-dependency on libgtkhtml-dev which >> should be trivially removable since none of its binary packages use it. > > python-gnome is also deprecated and should go away when po

Re: gnome 1 packages up for adoption

2006-05-28 Thread Loïc Minier
On Sat, May 27, 2006, Steve Langasek wrote: >python-gnome has a build-dependency on libgtkhtml-dev which > should be trivially removable since none of its binary packages use it. python-gnome is also deprecated and should go away when possible, I've filed bugs on the rdeps already.

Re: gnome 1 packages up for adoption

2006-05-27 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Thomas Bushnell BSG [Sat, 27 May 2006 15:49:41 -0700]: Hi Thomas, > (indeed, whenever I use rdepends I get a lot of > spurious entries, and I don't know why, and it requires gobs of manual > work to figure out which ones are real). One scenario in which it does not work: http://chistera.yi.

Re: gnome 1 packages up for adoption

2006-05-27 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 12:00:43PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > >> I have been maintaining the following gnome-1 support packages: > >> bonobo gal0.x gnome-libs gnome-print gtkhtml gwrapguile imlib >> libcapplet libglade oaf > > gwrapguile an

Re: gnome 1 packages up for adoption

2006-05-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 12:00:43PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > I have been maintaining the following gnome-1 support packages: > bonobo gal0.x gnome-libs gnome-print gtkhtml gwrapguile imlib > libcapplet libglade oaf gwrapguile and gtkhtml have no reverse-dependencies in Debian excep

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-17 Thread Ondrej Sury
On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 12:12 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! > > and then apt doesn't run, and instead prints: > > E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes pbuilder login --save-after-login [...] # apt-get install gnupg

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-17 Thread Henning Glawe
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 12:12:30PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > /usr/sbin/pbuilder update --override-config --configfile /etc/pbuilderrc.sid > > Ok, this gets me a good sid chroot. But I can't build with it. When > I try to build, using, say

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
David Goodenough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:24, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> David Goodenough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > So are we getting close to the point where you will build gnucash-sql? >> >> Upstream reports that the SQL subsystem is known not to work. S

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-16 Thread David Goodenough
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:24, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > David Goodenough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > So are we getting close to the point where you will build gnucash-sql? > > Upstream reports that the SQL subsystem is known not to work. So that > means that until it gets to working, I cert

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Doesn't work for me. > > # grep apt.config /etc/pbuilderrc > APTCONFDIR="/etc/pbuilder/apt.config/" > # cat /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/apt.conf.d/allow-unauthenticated > APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1; > > but the same errors persist. Apparently

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Presumably the problem is that the packages cannot be authenticated. >> Presumably that's because the key inside the chroot is the old 2005 >> one? How do I fix that? > > $ grep apt.config /etc/pbuilder

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Presumably the problem is that the packages cannot be authenticated. >> Presumably that's because the key inside the chroot is the old 2005 >> one? How do I fix that? > > $ grep apt.config /etc/pbuilder

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-16 Thread Frank Küster
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Presumably the problem is that the packages cannot be authenticated. > Presumably that's because the key inside the chroot is the old 2005 > one? How do I fix that? $ grep apt.config /etc/pbuilderrc.sid APTCONFDIR="/etc/pbuilder/apt.config/" $ cat

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > /usr/sbin/pbuilder update --override-config --configfile /etc/pbuilderrc.sid Ok, this gets me a good sid chroot. But I can't build with it. When I try to build, using, say, pbuilder build gnucash_1.9.6-3.dsc, I get seemingly normal pbuilder output, lot

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No solution to the bug, but an easy workaround: Create a sarge chroot > tar.gz on your sarge machine, change pbuilderrc to point to sid (I have > copies for each distribution), and then update the tar.gz to sid, like > this: > > /usr/sbin/pbuilder update

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
David Goodenough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So are we getting close to the point where you will build gnucash-sql? Upstream reports that the SQL subsystem is known not to work. So that means that until it gets to working, I certainly won't be building it for Debian. Thomas -- To UNSUBSC

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-16 Thread Frank Küster
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pardon me if I've missed something obvious or misunderstood > something. No solution to the bug, but an easy workaround: Create a sarge chroot tar.gz on your sarge machine, change pbuilderrc to point to sid (I have copies for each distribution), an

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 11:11:16PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> I have just uploaded gnucash 1.9.6, > > And you should've used pbuilder to check if it is buildable. So I would love to use pbuilder on my fancy fast computer. It runs sarge. So w

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
David Goodenough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tuesday 16 May 2006 09:08, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> David Goodenough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > So are we getting close to the point where you will build gnucash-sql? >> >> I think so. > Great. If you want someone to test the builds ple

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-16 Thread David Goodenough
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 09:08, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > David Goodenough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > So are we getting close to the point where you will build gnucash-sql? > > I think so. Great. If you want someone to test the builds please let me know when they are ready and where I can d

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
David Goodenough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So are we getting close to the point where you will build gnucash-sql? I think so. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-15 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
David Goodenough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So are we getting close to the point where you will build gnucash-sql? The SQL backend is known to suffer from neglect, it's probably not a good thing to start encouraging people to use at this time. I gather that the gnucash developers intend to add

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-15 Thread David Goodenough
On Monday 15 May 2006 07:11, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > I have just uploaded gnucash 1.9.6, the first beta release of the new > gnome 2 gnucash. Since this is now in beta, I judged it opportune to > upload it to unstable. The final 2.0 release is expected in a short > number of weeks. Many tha

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Thomas Bushnell BSG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> >> I have just uploaded gnucash 1.9.6, the first beta release of the new >> gnome 2 gnucash. Since this is now in beta, I judged it opportune to >> upload it to unstable. The final 2.0 release is expe

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-15 Thread Eric Dorland
* Thomas Bushnell BSG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I have just uploaded gnucash 1.9.6, the first beta release of the new > gnome 2 gnucash. Since this is now in beta, I judged it opportune to > upload it to unstable. The final 2.0 release is expected in a short > number of weeks. Many thanks

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 11:11:16PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> I have just uploaded gnucash 1.9.6, > > And you should've used pbuilder to check if it is buildable. Sorry, but I don't have the resources to use pbuilder for every single upload of

Re: gnome 2 gnucash into unstable

2006-05-15 Thread Bastian Blank
On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 11:11:16PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > I have just uploaded gnucash 1.9.6, And you should've used pbuilder to check if it is buildable. > Is there any particular thing I should do to have the series in the > experimental distribution deleted? Ideally, they should

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-15 Thread Steve Greenland
On 14-Nov-05, 20:22 (CST), Pierre THIERRY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You trust them, but not any user of Debian will want to trust them so > much. Some will want some degree of confidence that the binaries are > clean... Then they need to download the source, examine it, and build the binary. W

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-14 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Josselin Mouette dies 12/11/2005 hora 18:37: > It was already suggested to accept only source+binary uploads, but to > rebuild the binaries on the upload's architecture anyway. Has there been a consensus on rejecting that solution? Curiously, Nowhere man -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP 0xD9

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-14 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Manoj Srivastava dies 11/11/2005 hora 22:35: > You gotta start trusting somewhere. Our web of trust starts with the > Developers in the keyring, we trust these people not to muck with the > binaries. You trust them, but not any user of Debian will want to trust them so much. Some will want

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 12 novembre 2005 à 02:29 +0100, Pierre THIERRY a écrit : > And I see a rationale for allowing them: what prevents a DD to upload > binaries that include exploits or some trojan code, along with a clean > source? It was already suggested to accept only source+binary uploads, but to rebuil

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 11 novembre 2005 à 23:19 +0100, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo a écrit : > Sorry, Joss, but I can't believe disk space can be a problem nowadays. > Of course you can be short of disk space, but a 160GB HDD is quite > affordable, and you can cache Debian lot of times there. I can't believe I

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 02:29:56 +0100, Pierre THIERRY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Scribit Josselin Mouette dies 10/11/2005 hora 22:45: >> Le jeudi 10 novembre 2005 à 13:32 -0800, Debian Installer a écrit : >> > Rejected: source only uploads are not supported. >> I can't see the rationale for rejecti

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-11 Thread Pierre THIERRY
Scribit Josselin Mouette dies 10/11/2005 hora 22:45: > Le jeudi 10 novembre 2005 à 13:32 -0800, Debian Installer a écrit : > > Rejected: source only uploads are not supported. > I can't see the rationale for rejecting source uploads, and they used > to be accepted in the past. And I see a rational

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-11 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
El jue, 10-11-2005 a las 23:43 +0100, Josselin Mouette escribió: > Le jeudi 10 novembre 2005 à 23:00 +0100, Adeodato Simó a écrit : > > * Josselin Mouette [Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:45:20 +0100]: > > > > > (And don't tell me to use pbuilder, I don't have the disk space nor the > > > bandwidth for it.) >

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-11 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Brian Nelson] > Oh, so Ubuntu packages are fucked up more by their maintainers more > than Debian packages are? Yes, or so it's been alleged. Not being a user of ubuntu unstable, I can't confirm or deny. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-11 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 11/10/05, Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [Josselin Mouette] > > I can't see the rationale for rejecting source uploads, and they used > > to be accepted in the past. > > It's the first line of defense against people uploading things that > don't build, wasting various infrastruct

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-11 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 11 novembre 2005 à 00:55 +0100, Bernd Eckenfels a écrit : > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > > Why is this the case ? I'm running with experimental GNOME packages; if > > I upload a binary package depending on them, it will be uninstallable on > > unstable systems. > > How c

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-11 Thread Daniel Kobras
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 12:18:00AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 10469 March 1977, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > I can't see the rationale for rejecting source uploads, and they used to > > be accepted in the past. > > Because people then fuck up their packages even more. > > No, they havent bee

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-10 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > Why is this the case ? I'm running with experimental GNOME packages; if > I upload a binary package depending on them, it will be uninstallable on > unstable systems. How can you test your packages if you dont build them? Gruss Bernd -- To UNSUBSCRIB

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-10 Thread Brian Nelson
Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 10469 March 1977, Josselin Mouette wrote: > >>> Rejected: source only uploads are not supported. >> I can't see the rationale for rejecting source uploads, and they used to >> be accepted in the past. > > Because people then fuck up their packages eve

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10469 March 1977, Josselin Mouette wrote: >> Rejected: source only uploads are not supported. > I can't see the rationale for rejecting source uploads, and they used to > be accepted in the past. Because people then fuck up their packages even more. No, they havent been accepted in the past.

Re: gnome-swallow_1.2-2_source.changes REJECTED

2005-11-10 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 10:45:20PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > I can't see the rationale for rejecting source uploads, and they used to > be accepted in the past. AFAIK, this is false. Source-only uploads were never allowed in Debian. Gruesse, -- Frank Lichtenheld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> www: h

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