Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-04-03 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Henrique de Moraes Holschuh (2015-04-02 21:52:50) In this era of wider displays (even text-mode), it would make a lot of sense to change its default display filter to include the archive by default. FWIW, here's the display format I use in aptitude (changeable through the

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-04-02 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 31 mar 15, 17:29:25, Andrew Shadura wrote: Hi, On 31 March 2015 at 17:00, Matt Zagrabelny mzagr...@d.umn.edu wrote: I've grepped debian-devel, but cannot find an email that was sent to the list some months ago about tweaks to /etc/apt/apt.conf (IIRC) to make aptitude behave more

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-04-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015, at 16:43, The Wanderer wrote: On 04/01/2015 at 12:02 PM, Peter Samuelson wrote: That sounds like you believe aptitude has only a command-line interface. I was indeed only aware of its command-line interface, until just yesterday; comments in this thread mentioning a

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-04-01 Thread Peter Samuelson
[The Wanderer] it is IMO not viable for actual use - except perhaps by people who already know completely what they are doing and how to override aptitude's suggestions. That sounds like you believe aptitude has only a command-line interface. Mostly I use its full-screen interface. (To see

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-04-01 Thread Russ Allbery
The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm writes: I remember, years ago, I asked on some Debian list what the intended replacement for apt-cache was, since I'd been told that apt-get was deprecated in favor of aptitude and I'd seen that aptitude did not seem to have equivalents for the apt-cache

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-04-01 Thread The Wanderer
(Sorry for the delay in replying; I had a response within minutes, but I've been having bizarre Internet-access issues all day, and I'm not even sure they're gone yet.) On 04/01/2015 at 12:02 PM, Peter Samuelson wrote: [The Wanderer] it is IMO not viable for actual use - except perhaps by

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-04-01 Thread Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo
2015-04-01 20:43 The Wanderer: (Sorry for the delay in replying; I had a response within minutes, but I've been having bizarre Internet-access issues all day, and I'm not even sure they're gone yet.) On 04/01/2015 at 12:02 PM, Peter Samuelson wrote: [The Wanderer] it is IMO not viable for

aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Hi there, I am curious why the aptitude package still has Priority: standard, i.e. why it is installed next to apt in each and every Debian installation? Aptitude isn't recommended for dist-upgrading since Lenny, I think. Do we really need to have two CLI package management tools installed, is

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Tue, 2015-03-31 at 19:34 -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote: Note that this does not seem to be due to a lack of people willing to work on it though, cf. #750135. Yeah, I was following that bug in silence ;-) Cheers, Chris. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Mar 31 2015, Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net wrote: On Tue, 2015-03-31 at 23:18 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: No, it is not. It used to be, but apt's dependency resolver is far superior to aptitude's these days. Are there so many cases where you need it? I usually just

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Andrew Shadura
Hi, On 31 March 2015 at 17:00, Matt Zagrabelny mzagr...@d.umn.edu wrote: I've grepped debian-devel, but cannot find an email that was sent to the list some months ago about tweaks to /etc/apt/apt.conf (IIRC) to make aptitude behave more sanely. Thus, I believe there are a couple of knobs to

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread The Wanderer
On 03/31/2015 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Shadura wrote: Hi, On 31 March 2015 at 17:00, Matt Zagrabelny mzagr...@d.umn.edu wrote: I've grepped debian-devel, but cannot find an email that was sent to the list some months ago about tweaks to /etc/apt/apt.conf (IIRC) to make aptitude behave more

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-03-31 15:18 GMT+02:00 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org: On Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 05:14, Fabian Greffrath wrote: I am curious why the aptitude package still has Priority: standard, i.e. why it is installed next to apt in each and every Debian installation? Aptitude isn't

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread The Wanderer
On 03/31/2015 at 09:18 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 05:14, Fabian Greffrath wrote: I am curious why the aptitude package still has Priority: standard, i.e. why it is installed next to apt in each and every Debian installation? Aptitude isn't recommended

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Josh Triplett
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: It's tangential to the main topic of this thread, but you might want to give /usr/bin/apt a try: it abstracts over apt-get / apt-cache, offering a single CLI entry point to (some of) the functionalities of both. I've used the new apt tool, and I do find it quite an

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Matt Zagrabelny
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:32 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: Repeatedly over the years - I'd almost say consistently - I've seen aptitude report that a requested package change (install, remove, or some combination) would result in an invalid or conflicting dependency situation,

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 10:14:16 +0200, Fabian Greffrath fab...@greffrath.com wrote: I am curious why the aptitude package still has Priority: standard, i.e. why it is installed next to apt in each and every Debian installation? Aptitude isn't recommended for dist-upgrading since Lenny, I think. Do

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 05:14, Fabian Greffrath wrote: I am curious why the aptitude package still has Priority: standard, i.e. why it is installed next to apt in each and every Debian installation? Aptitude isn't recommended for dist-upgrading since Lenny, I think. Do we really need to

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:18:50AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: apt-get is the simple tool everyone knows about, though. It also needs another simple tools like apt-cache to be really usable. It's tangential to the main topic of this thread, but you might want to give /usr/bin/apt

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 10:22, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:18:50AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: apt-get is the simple tool everyone knows about, though. It also needs another simple tools like apt-cache to be really usable. It's tangential to the main

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 31.03.2015 um 15:18 schrieb Henrique de Moraes Holschuh: On Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 05:14, Fabian Greffrath wrote: I am curious why the aptitude package still has Priority: standard, i.e. why it is installed next to apt in each and every Debian installation? Aptitude isn't recommended for

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Tue, 2015-03-31 at 23:18 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: No, it is not. It used to be, but apt's dependency resolver is far superior to aptitude's these days. Are there so many cases where you need it? I usually just select what I want and install it... IMHO aptitude is one of the hearts of

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:18:50AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 05:14, Fabian Greffrath wrote: I am curious why the aptitude package still has Priority: standard, i.e. why it is installed next to apt in each and every Debian installation? Aptitude

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Wookey
+++ The Wanderer [2015-03-31 11:36 -0400]: On 03/31/2015 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Shadura wrote: On 31 March 2015 at 17:00, Matt Zagrabelny mzagr...@d.umn.edu wrote: Thus, I believe there are a couple of knobs to turn to make aptitude behave more expectedly. Here is it: $ cat