debian-private archives

1997-12-01 Thread Christian Meder
Hi, as my email is still not added to debian-private (I don't want to bug anyone) and it's election time I would like to ask some kind soul to send me the archives of the last two months of debian-private (need some background material for voting :-) If possible please in the next couple of days

Re: debian-private archives

1997-12-05 Thread Martin Schulze
Christian Meder writes: > as my email is still not added to debian-private (I don't want to bug > anyone) and it's election time I would like to ask some kind soul to > send me the archives of the last two months of debian-private (need > some background material for voting :-) It would be a good

Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Rationale: I have been thinking about the kinds of reasons for not wanting to have a post to -private published. I came up with two major (reasonable) scenarios: a) The post contained sensitive material. In this case, if a reasonable case has been made for the m

Proposal for *Real* Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Daniel Ruoso
As dicussion follows, I decided to formalize a proposal for a real declassification of the content on -private. As I said before, if we're going to choose which material is made public, we can't call it "declassification". The main points are: 1) Everything except financial information about oth

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Jérôme Marant
Quoting Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > * The team will automatically declassify and publish posts made to > that list that are three or more years old, with the following > exceptions: > > - the author and other individuals quoted in messages being reviewed > will be

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Simon Richter
Hello, Jérôme Marant wrote: What is this supposed to mean? If no comments have been made by the author for eight weeks, messages will be automatically declassified? It looks like a kind of opt out to me. True. It may be an idea to have another proposed amendment reversing the logic, and see

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Thursday 01 December 2005 15.32, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > +   - If the author indicates he does not wish to be associated with a > +     post, any identifying information is redacted from that post, > +     and any quotes in subsequent posts, but the rest of the material > +     is published.

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > a) The post contained sensitive material. > > In this case, if a reasonable case has been made for the > material being sensitive, and one that the declassification > teams accepted, then the material should be redacted from the > post, a

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Joey Hess
Here are the urls I didn't find for my other post: http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/nb/nb.cgi/view/vitanuova/2005/03/13/0 http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/sec2000/full_papers/rao/rao.pdf http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/NewsBruiser-2.6.1/nb.cgi/view/vitanuova/2005/04/06/0 http://en.w

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Jérôme Marant
Simon Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello, > > Jérôme Marant wrote: > >> What is this supposed to mean? If no comments have been made by the >> author for eight weeks, messages will be automatically declassified? >> It looks like a kind of opt out to me. > > True. It may be an idea to have

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Robert Collins
On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 08:32 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > ... > - the author and other individuals quoted in messages being reviewed > will be contacted, and allowed between four and eight weeks > to comment; I think the default behaviour should be to keep the post pri

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Dave Holland
On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 08:30:37AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: > I think the default behaviour should be to keep the post private, not to > open it up. That is, if the author and other individuals do not reply, > the message is kept hidden. > > The primary reason for this is that the existing mes

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 09:56:48PM +, Dave Holland wrote: > On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 08:30:37AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: > > I think the default behaviour should be to keep the post private, not to > > open it up. That is, if the author and other individuals do not reply, > > the message is

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Qui, 2005-12-01 às 08:32 -0600, Manoj Srivastava escreveu: > a) The post contained sensitive material. > In this case, if a reasonable case has been made for the > material being sensitive, and one that the declassification > teams accepted, then the material should be

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Anthony Towns
(Followups to -vote) On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 08:30:37AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: > The primary reason for this is that the existing messages were sent to > debian-private with an expectation of privacy. As Matthew pointed out in [0] this expectation of privacy isn't really that strong, fundam

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-01 Thread Robert Collins
On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 12:35 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > (Followups to -vote) > > On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 08:30:37AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: > > The primary reason for this is that the existing messages were sent to > > debian-private with an expectation of privacy. > > As Matthew pointed o

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-02 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Jérôme Marant wrote: - the list of posts to be declassified will be made available to developers two weeks before publication, so that the decisions Two weeks is too short to review, IMO. I didn't read that as a hard time limit between announcement and publication, but rather as t

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-02 Thread Paul Hedderly
My biggest problem with all this is that it's gonna mean a lot of work - for the 'declassifying team' and for people who want to be bothered about commenting on the process is respect of particular email. Thats time that I feel could be better spent. I do understand the motives... -- Paul On Thu

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:35:28 +1000, Anthony Towns said: > (Followups to -vote) > On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 08:30:37AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: >> The primary reason for this is that the existing messages were sent >> to debian-private with an expectation of privacy. > As Matthew pointed out in

Re: Alternate proposal for Declassification of debian-private archives

2005-12-04 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 08:32:59AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > - - requests by the author of a post for that post not to be published > - will be honoured; > + - If the author makes a resonable case that some material is > + sensitive, then that material is redacted from that post