Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 06:52:34PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Look at perl for example:
Package: perl-base
Provides: perlapi-5.10.0
I suggest to also provide perlabi-$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) or
perlabi-5.10.0-$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE). Perl
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud did...@raboud.com writes:
I would largely prefer if ia32-* in its actual shape would be released in
experimental (where, with this level of touching the base of Debian
repositories handling, it should sit) and version 2.7 uploaded back in
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 09:02:05PM +0100, Matthew Johnson wrote:
I've also CC'd Hector and Steve who are listed as owners on that
document because whatever we do to get multiarch working (and I have no
strong views on the right way to do it) we should definitely not do it
differently to
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 09:31:24PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Mark Brown broo...@sirena.org.uk writes:
There seems to be at least some crossover between the people who were
looking at multiarch and the people doing this stuff.
But not the people blocking the inclusion of patches
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 09:50:01PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
There is work going on recently. Steve Langasek drafted a plan that he
wants to bring forward in Ubuntu Karmic Koala and it has been
Mark Brown broo...@sirena.org.uk writes:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 09:31:24PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Mark Brown broo...@sirena.org.uk writes:
There seems to be at least some crossover between the people who were
looking at multiarch and the people doing this stuff.
But not the
Le mardi 30 juin 2009 à 18:52 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit :
Please stop confusing ia32-apt-get with multiarch. It clearly is a
kludge to keep 32bit binaries working till there is multiarch. It is
not ment as a replacement.
No, it is not a kludge. It is a horrible pile of trash.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 06:56:11PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Mark Brown broo...@sirena.org.uk writes:
Then bring that up and try to move the discussion forward (as now seems
to be happening). The approach that's currently being pused seems like
a blind alley.
People really do
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
Le mardi 30 juin 2009 à 18:52 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit :
Please stop confusing ia32-apt-get with multiarch. It clearly is a
kludge to keep 32bit binaries working till there is multiarch. It is
not ment as a replacement.
No, it is not a
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 06:52:34PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Patches implementing what? I don't see any public discussion of an agreed
design for the package manager.
Patches for dpkg to accept the Multi-Arch field as a tristate of Yes,
No or missing and for packages to set that
Hi,
as the topic says, I noticed the new ia32-libs package depends on
ia32-apt-get.
This package was already enough of a hack, but at least it worked
without fiddling in horrible ways with the packaging system.
How can we have a working wine or nspluginwrapper now?
--
.''`. Josselin
On Mo, 29 Jun 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote:
This package was already enough of a hack, but at least it worked
without fiddling in horrible ways with the packaging system.
How can we have a working wine or nspluginwrapper now?
Not that I know about nspluginwrapper, but I got my skype working
)...
- calling apt-get update from the commandline
It dpkg-diverts apt-get but not aptitude... How can we accept to see apt-get
diverted for such a hack ?
- installing skype from aptitude
Personnally, I don't care for non-free stuff, but main's wine depends on
ia32-apt-get through ia32-libs…
Regards
On Mo, 29 Jun 2009, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
OdyX, who points to multiarch and suggests it is maybe time to go the real
route instead…
Not that i am happy with the current status, but at least I managed to
get some things working again.
Best wishes
Norbert
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud did...@raboud.com writes:
Hi,
Norbert Preining wrote:
On Mo, 29 Jun 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote:
This package was already enough of a hack, but at least it worked
without fiddling in horrible ways with the packaging system.
How can we have a working wine or
Le lundi 29 juin 2009 à 11:54 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit :
The reasons for ia32-apt-get are this:
[snip]
There are good reasons for ia32-apt-get to exist. But the implementation
is so horribly wrong that it gives me headaches only thinking about it.
It is nothing but a giant hack on
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud did...@raboud.com writes:
Norbert Preining wrote:
- calling /usr/share/ia32-apt-get/convert-all-sources.list
Which horribly breaks with anything a little custom (proxies, custom
repositories, ...) and fills your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ with
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud did...@raboud.com writes:
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud did...@raboud.com writes:
Norbert Preining wrote:
- calling /usr/share/ia32-apt-get/convert-all-sources.list
Which horribly breaks with anything a little custom (proxies, custom
repositories,
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud did...@raboud.com writes:
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud did...@raboud.com writes:
Norbert Preining wrote:
- calling /usr/share/ia32-apt-get/convert-all-sources.list
Which horribly breaks with anything a little custom
Didier Raboud did...@raboud.com writes:
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud did...@raboud.com writes:
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud did...@raboud.com writes:
Norbert Preining wrote:
- calling /usr/share/ia32-apt-get/convert-all-sources.list
Which horribly
Le lundi 29 juin 2009 à 15:14 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit :
I never use aptitude and after doing a test upgrade of an older sid to
current with aptitude I'm verry much affirmed on that. The last ~50
packages I upgraded with apt-get upgrade again because the aptitude
interface just
While we are on the subject of ia32-apt-get, I'm not sure _what_
happened, but after the upgrade of ia32-apt-get 14 to 18, suddenly
aptitude had about 200 package in upgradable state that were not
upgradable before.
The issue is I don't remember for sure what /etc/apt/sources.list
looked like
Aptitude’s (well-known) brokenness is irrelevant. There are many other
APT frontents, like synaptic, which don’t have broken dependency
management, and which will fail just as well with ia32-apt-get.
I wonder how you could even think once that diverting apt-get was a good
idea. If you need
Le lundi 29 juin 2009 à 15:33 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich a écrit :
Hmm, o.k., apt-get is working for me, this is o.k., but I ask myself now:
What
is the recommended tool in future? Especially, as the handling of
dependencies
and packages in apt-get, aptitude and synaptic are in each different
Lionel Elie Mamane lio...@mamane.lu writes:
While we are on the subject of ia32-apt-get, I'm not sure _what_
happened, but after the upgrade of ia32-apt-get 14 to 18, suddenly
aptitude had about 200 package in upgradable state that were not
upgradable before.
ia32-apt-get encodes its own
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org (29/06/2009):
All existing frontends use the same dependency resolution engine,
except for aptitude. Installing a package with synaptic, apt-get,
adept or gnome-app-install should give the same result.
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 03:57:28PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Lionel Elie Mamane lio...@mamane.lu writes:
While we are on the subject of ia32-apt-get, I'm not sure _what_
happened, but after the upgrade of ia32-apt-get 14 to 18, suddenly
aptitude had about 200 package in upgradable
Josselin Mouette wrote:
Hi,
as the topic says, I noticed the new ia32-libs package depends on
ia32-apt-get.
I searched the list archive and found only one thread[1] related to
ia32-apt-get. Correct me if I'm wrong but it was clear for me, when
reading comments, that the solution
Mehdi Dogguy mehdi.dog...@pps.jussieu.fr writes:
Josselin Mouette wrote:
Hi,
as the topic says, I noticed the new ia32-libs package depends on
ia32-apt-get.
I searched the list archive and found only one thread[1] related to
ia32-apt-get. Correct me if I'm wrong but it was clear
Le lundi 29 juin 2009 à 17:30 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit :
consider it as a âreleasableâ solution?
Going to be.
No, it is not going to be. The whole design needs work before it can be.
How would aptitude users do now?
apt-get update; aptitude
And how would synaptic users
Lionel Elie Mamane lio...@mamane.lu writes:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 03:57:28PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Lionel Elie Mamane lio...@mamane.lu writes:
While we are on the subject of ia32-apt-get, I'm not sure _what_
happened, but after the upgrade of ia32-apt-get 14 to 18, suddenly
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 17:30:35 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
There where 3 options:
1) ia32-libs + ia32-libs-gtk (+ ia32-libs-kde + ia32-libs-qt)
ftp-master asked us to clean that up basically and
it would not pass NEW if it where uploaded now
2) ia32-lib* packages in the
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 05:59:32PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 17:30:35 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
So strike option 1 and 2 and what are you left with?
Figure out an acceptable option 4.
Multiarch was mentioned in the original thread.
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On Mo, 29 Jun 2009, Mark Brown wrote:
Figure out an acceptable option 4.
Multiarch was mentioned in the original thread.
Not that I was happy with the original situation (filing myself a bug),
but all that multiarch blabla and nothing is going forward in this
direction, so this is not a
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 06:12:20PM +0200, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Mo, 29 Jun 2009, Mark Brown wrote:
Multiarch was mentioned in the original thread.
Not that I was happy with the original situation (filing myself a bug),
but all that multiarch blabla and nothing is going forward in this
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Mo, 29 Jun 2009, Mark Brown wrote:
Figure out an acceptable option 4.
Multiarch was mentioned in the original thread.
Not that I was happy with the original situation (filing myself a bug),
but all that multiarch blabla and nothing is
On Mon Jun 29 20:18, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Mo, 29 Jun 2009, Mark Brown wrote:
Figure out an acceptable option 4.
Multiarch was mentioned in the original thread.
Not that I was happy with the original situation (filing myself a
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
Le lundi 29 juin 2009 à 17:30 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit :
consider it as a âÂÂreleasableâ solution?
Going to be.
No, it is not going to be. The whole design needs work before it can be.
There is a better design. It is called
Mark Brown broo...@sirena.org.uk writes:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 06:12:20PM +0200, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Mo, 29 Jun 2009, Mark Brown wrote:
Multiarch was mentioned in the original thread.
Not that I was happy with the original situation (filing myself a bug),
but all that multiarch
Le lundi 29 juin 2009 à 21:30 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit :
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
No, it is not going to be. The whole design needs work before it can be.
There is a better design. It is called multiarch. But some people are
blocking that.
Identify the blockers.
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Norbert Preining wrote:
On Mo, 29 Jun 2009, Mark Brown wrote:
Figure out an acceptable option 4.
Multiarch was mentioned in the original thread.
Not that I was happy with the original situation (filing myself a bug),
On Mon Jun 29 21:50, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
There is work going on recently. Steve Langasek drafted a plan that he
wants to bring forward in Ubuntu Karmic Koala and it has been reviewed by
Guillem Jover, the dpkg maintainer. Guillem also has plans to make it a
reality inside Debian
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Better add the pinings from /usr/share/doc/ia32-apt-get/NEWS.Debian.gz
as well.
Goswin, you should put a debconf warning to point the apt pining solution
to the user.
Yannick
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Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
There where 3 options:
1) ia32-libs + ia32-libs-gtk (+ ia32-libs-kde + ia32-libs-qt)
ftp-master asked us to clean that up basically and
it would not pass NEW if it where uploaded now
2) ia32-lib* packages in the same schema as ia32-libs
vetoed by ftp-master
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 05:30:35PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Mehdi Dogguy mehdi.dog...@pps.jussieu.fr writes:
Because there where no ideas brought forward to discuss.
There where 3 options:
1) ia32-libs + ia32-libs-gtk (+ ia32-libs-kde + ia32-libs-qt)
ftp-master asked us to
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Too bad they did that without involving the people already working on
multiarch via the alioth project.
They messed up some finer details, broke the existing patches, made
the whole thing need a full release cycle for a transition due to
Le lundi 29 juin 2009 à 23:06 +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
I would also not merge patches without knowing if the full plan is
credible.
This is the precise point that seems to be missing.
Goswin, if you have a prototype multiarch system based on unstable that
mostly works, with patches for
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
Le lundi 29 juin 2009 à 21:30 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit :
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
No, it is not going to be. The whole design needs work before it can be.
There is a better design. It is called multiarch. But some people
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Too bad they did that without involving the people already working on
multiarch via the alioth project.
They messed up some finer details, broke the existing patches, made
the whole thing need a
because the
libc6-i386 upload forced a bit of a rush job on the latest changes but
if you look at it you get the idea.
Once I have time to verrify ia32-archive still works right and have
time to introduce an ia32-remote-archive dummy package I will probably
change ia32-libs to Depends: ia32-apt-get
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 09:50:01PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
There is work going on recently. Steve Langasek drafted a plan that he
wants to bring forward in Ubuntu Karmic Koala and it has been reviewed by
Guillem Jover, the dpkg
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 05:43:16AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
See the various links on http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch for the work
on multiarch going back to 2004.
I reviewed that page prior to the UDS session.
It was all but useless (and I had to edit the page to update several
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