Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-26 Thread Russell Stuart
On Thu, 2016-05-26 at 12:15 -0800, Britton Kerin wrote: > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:35 AM, Andrew Shadura > wrote: > > There's no need in any of this, ifupdown already supports this mode > > without anything apart from wpa-conf. > > > > See /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz for more d

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-26 Thread Russell Stuart
On Thu, 2016-05-26 at 10:24 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > It's hard to say though. For this we'd need proper debug logs to > further investigate this. You shamed me into doing something about it.  But now I test it, network-manager works.  It's been 3 months and a similar number of kernels, so who

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-26 Thread Britton Kerin
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:35 AM, Andrew Shadura wrote: > On 26 May 2016 at 09:16, Russell Stuart wrote: >> auto wifi_interface >> iface wifi_interface inet dhcp >> pre-up systemctl stop wpa_supplicant || : >> post-down systemctl start

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-26 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2016-05-26 at 05:26 +, darkestkhan wrote: [...] > It is worth remembering that network manager depends indirectly on > systemd - not all of us have systemd installed. And not all of us know > (or knew in this case) the invocation to bring up the wifi connection. It doesn't require syst

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-26 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 26.05.2016 um 09:16 schrieb Russell Stuart: > partly. Among the things that didn't work were wicd (kept on > reinitialising the interface every 10 seconds or so) and network- > manager (didn't recognise the interface at all). This initially caused > a lot of head scratching and wasted time bec

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-26 Thread Russell Stuart
On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 08:28 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > Using low-level tools can indeed be tricky, so while they're more > powerful than anything NM or wicd can do, they're an overkill and a > waste of learning time if what you want is regular use of a single > interface. I have a new laptop on

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-25 Thread darkestkhan
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Andrew Shadura wrote: > > On 23 May 2016 15:50, "Wookey" wrote: >> >> +++ Adam Borowski [2016-05-23 12:10 +0200]: >> >> > we keep wicd for non-Gnome users who want a clicky-clicky wifi manager. >> > >> > The rest, well, are on their own with console tools. >> >> w

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-25 Thread darkestkhan
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 01:17:08PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: >> On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 12:10 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: >> > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 11:39:06AM +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: >> > > Login in Gnome once, activate wifi and as

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-25 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On May 24 2016, Britton Kerin wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Nikolaus Rath wrote: >> On May 22 2016, Britton Kerin wrote: >>> Got a new laptop after 10 years of excellent stable ancient debian, >>> and my wireless works from gnome, and only from gnome. Unfortunately >>> I find that g

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-24 Thread Britton Kerin
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > On May 22 2016, Britton Kerin wrote: >> Got a new laptop after 10 years of excellent stable ancient debian, >> and my wireless works from gnome, and only from gnome. Unfortunately >> I find that gnome3 is not for me. I've been trying dwm.

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Adam Borowski writes ("Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?"): > But it's not without problems. The one Britton met is that NM's interface > is closely married to Gnome. Yes, you can use nm-cli but it's nowhere near > prett

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-23 Thread Balasankar C
On 23 May 2016 10:12:12 am IST, Britton Kerin wrote: >No combination of nmcli ifconfig iw ip rfkill unblock wpa_supplicant >/etc/network/interfaces etc. that I've tried makes wireless work >outside of gnome, I've been using nmcli without GNOME and it worked just fine. network-manager is one of

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-23 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2016-05-24 at 00:06 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 01:17:08PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 12:10 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 11:39:06AM +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > > > > > > > > Login in Gnome on

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-23 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On May 22 2016, Britton Kerin wrote: > Got a new laptop after 10 years of excellent stable ancient debian, > and my wireless works from gnome, and only from gnome. Unfortunately > I find that gnome3 is not for me. I've been trying dwm. What trouble did you have? Network manager works perfectly

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-23 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On May 24 2016, Adam Borowski wrote: > But it's not without problems. The one Britton met is that NM's interface > is closely married to Gnome. I am not sure what you mean by "closely married", but NM works perfectly well for me in an i3 "environment". I am not disputing that it pulls in some Gn

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-23 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 01:17:08PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 12:10 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 11:39:06AM +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > > > Login in Gnome once, activate wifi and ask that the connection should be > > > used by > > > all user

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-23 Thread Andrew Shadura
On 23 May 2016 15:50, "Wookey" wrote: > > +++ Adam Borowski [2016-05-23 12:10 +0200]: > > > we keep wicd for non-Gnome users who want a clicky-clicky wifi manager. > > > > The rest, well, are on their own with console tools. > > wicd has curses and command-line interfaces too (as well as the > gtk

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-23 Thread Wookey
+++ Adam Borowski [2016-05-23 12:10 +0200]: > we keep wicd for non-Gnome users who want a clicky-clicky wifi manager. > > The rest, well, are on their own with console tools. wicd has curses and command-line interfaces too (as well as the gtk one). One of its nice features. Wookey -- Principal

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-23 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 23 mai 2016 12:10 +0200, Adam Borowski  : >> > NM is closely tied to Gnome so regressions in non-Gnome use aren't >> > surprising. >> Login in Gnome once, activate wifi and ask that the connection should be >> used by >> all users. >> Then NM will save the password some were so that it connect

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-23 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 12:10 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 11:39:06AM +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 08:28 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm posting here both in hope of a solution, and because this seems > > > > l

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-23 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 11:39:06AM +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 08:28 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > > > > I'm posting here both in hope of a solution, and because this seems > > > like a bug.  How come this only works from gnome?  nmcli in particular > > > looks like

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-23 Thread Abou Al Montacir
On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 08:28 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > > I'm posting here both in hope of a solution, and because this seems > > like a bug.  How come this only works from gnome?  nmcli in particular > > looks like it's trying to be a general-purpose solution, but somehow > > it too only wo

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-23 Thread Mechtilde
Hello, For Lan and WLan i use network-manager under XFCE succesfully. Regards Mechtilde Am 23.05.2016 um 08:28 schrieb Adam Borowski: > On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 08:42:12PM -0800, Britton Kerin wrote: >> Got a new laptop after 10 years of excellent stable ancient debian, >> and my wireless works

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-22 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 08:42:12PM -0800, Britton Kerin wrote: > Got a new laptop after 10 years of excellent stable ancient debian, > and my wireless works from gnome, and only from gnome. Unfortunately > I find that gnome3 is not for me. I've been trying dwm. > > No combination of nmcli ifconf

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Britton Kerin wrote: > Got a new laptop after 10 years of excellent stable ancient debian, > and my wireless works from gnome, and only from gnome. Please ask about this on a Debian user support channel: https://www.debian.org/support -- bye, pabs https://wik

trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-22 Thread Britton Kerin
Got a new laptop after 10 years of excellent stable ancient debian, and my wireless works from gnome, and only from gnome. Unfortunately I find that gnome3 is not for me. I've been trying dwm. No combination of nmcli ifconfig iw ip rfkill unblock wpa_supplicant /etc/network/interfaces etc. that