Re: Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version"

2022-06-08 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Wed 08 Jun 2022 at 09:07pm +02, Helmut Grohne wrote: > I find it interesting that you seem to equate git-first with dgit. My > mental model separated those concepts and considered git-first workflows > on salsa as well. And once you equate them, you can derive a lot of > conclusions.

Re: PAC and BTI support on arm64

2022-06-08 Thread Wookey
On 2022-06-04 06:25 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Sun, 2022-05-29 at 14:19:05 +0100, Wookey wrote: > > Discussion: > > > The -mbranch-protection=standard option could be set either by dpkg or > > by gcc. I'm not quite sure how we decide which is most appropriate? > > I think if the option has

Re: Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version"

2022-06-08 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 08/06/22 at 21:07 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > I think I take more issue with non-dgit git-first workflows than with > dgit ones, because dgit is so well documented and is a workflow that is > already shared by a noticeable fraction of the archive. I'm curious: how do you measure dgit usage?

Re: Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version"

2022-06-08 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 08/06/22 at 21:07 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > Now we've turned a discussion about source package formats into a > discussion about workflows and git. So when I reason about uniformity, I > effectively want those idiosyncratic workflows to go away. If dgit > requires 1.0-with-diff for now,

Re: Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version"

2022-06-08 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi Sean, On Tue, Jun 07, 2022 at 04:35:24PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > I disagree with you that this is primarily about package ownership, and > I think that we agree on more than you realise we do :) Hmm. It's not that obvious. While it would be possible to remove the choice of workflow from

Re: Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version"

2022-06-08 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Wed 08 Jun 2022 at 12:06pm +02, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > On Tue, Jun 07, 2022 at 08:19:29PM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: >> Please keep in mind that this is about trade-offs. It is a question of >> how we value "package ownership". If we favour the strong ownership >> approach that

Re: Bug#1007717: Draft resolution for "Native source package format with non-native version"

2022-06-08 Thread Julian Andres Klode
On Tue, Jun 07, 2022 at 08:19:29PM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > Please keep in mind that this is about trade-offs. It is a question of > how we value "package ownership". If we favour the strong ownership > approach that Debian used for a long time, then yes accommodating the > needs of