Re: Hurd Survey (second request) - please respond - just four quick q uestions

2000-07-27 Thread Supreet Sethi
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 03:13:30PM -0400, Christensen, Brian C wrote: > If you haven't already responded, please do. > > The chart that Marcus sent us showing the growth in mailing list > membership raises many questions. Let's get some of them > answered. Please answer the following four quick

Re: ls /dev

2000-07-27 Thread Tomasz Wegrzanowski
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 04:06:10PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 03:34:17PM +0200, Juli-Manel Merino Vidal wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > when doing an 'ls /dev', hurd starts automatically each transator of > > each device file. Why? > > This produces a delay before the dire

readline development?

2000-07-27 Thread Juli-Manel Merino Vidal
Hi all, it is not there the libreadline development package for the hurd ? If it isn't there, how has been bash built ? Bye!

Re: hurd progress and bugs

2000-07-27 Thread Juli-Manel Merino Vidal
> Do you plan to port the GNU Hurd to the Fiasco µ-kernel? > This indeed sounds like an interesting project -- but we currently > don't have the resources to do it. Maybe you would like to do it? > (hohmuth 98/10/10) > > > Perhaps its really time to think about it. > How much time w

Hurd Survey (second request) - please respond - just four quick q uestions

2000-07-27 Thread Christensen, Brian C
If you haven't already responded, please do. The chart that Marcus sent us showing the growth in mailing list membership raises many questions. Let's get some of them answered. Please answer the following four quick questions. When you finish, send your responses directly to me. Do NOT copy "

Re: GNU GRUB 0.5.95 boot image available

2000-07-27 Thread Ognyan Kulev
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 06:58:39PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > I am willing to spend the time necessary to get the install instructions up > to date. I can host them at debian.org, too, but gnu.org is probably > better(?) Installation instructions are for Debian GNU/Hurd, so I think they shou

Re: GNU GRUB 0.5.95 boot image available

2000-07-27 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 11:03:05AM -0600, Gordon Matzigkeit wrote: > > Marcus Brinkmann writes: > > MB> I am now going to move the above grub disk out of the way. > > If you leave a readme there, that would be good, too. For now, I felt a little more obvious sign was needed: lftp alpha.gnu

Re: GNU GRUB 0.5.95 boot image available

2000-07-27 Thread Gordon Matzigkeit
> Marcus Brinkmann writes: MB> I am now going to move the above grub disk out of the way. If you leave a readme there, that would be good, too. -- Gordon Matzigkeit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> //\ I'm a FIG (http://fig.org/) Committed to freedom and diversity \// I use GNU (http://www.gnu.org/)

Re: GNU GRUB 0.5.95 boot image available

2000-07-27 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 10:29:14AM -0600, Gordon Matzigkeit wrote: > [Please direct followups to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I've updated the GRUB boot image to 0.5.95. You can get it from: > > ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ > > Sorry I didn't do this earlier, but this should solve all the problems >

Re: how to get gnumach (cvs-version) compiling

2000-07-27 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 01:52:18PM +0200, Daniel Wagner wrote: > Hi, > > In order to compiling a recent checkout of gnumach I had to remove > gnumach/linux/src/arch/i386/lib/delay.S and use the delay.c from > linux-2.2.12 with a small change (remove "current_cpu_data" structure). I > guess the "__

Mach documentation

2000-07-27 Thread Nathan Valentine
I posted this on help-hurd a day or two ago but haven't had any repsonses. Sorry if this is a repost for some of you who are subscribed to that list also. I've been reading a lot of the docs about Mach and L4. Most of the documentation at Utah and CMU is pretty old. Is there a "you must read a

GNU GRUB 0.5.95 boot image available

2000-07-27 Thread Gordon Matzigkeit
[Please direct followups to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've updated the GRUB boot image to 0.5.95. You can get it from: ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ Sorry I didn't do this earlier, but this should solve all the problems new folks were seeing because they were using grub-0.5.93.1. -- Gordon Matzigkei

Re: hurd progress and bugs

2000-07-27 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Kalle Niemitalo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I took a look at L4/Fiasco some months ago. Its IPC was quite unlike that > of Mach. With Mach, references to ports are much like Unix file > descriptors. With L4, they were more like IP addresses and IIRC they > could even be guessed -- but the recipient

oskit-mach missing targets in Makefile

2000-07-27 Thread Daniel Wagner
Hello, I'm trying to compile oskit-mach. Few months ago it was no problem. But now I'm not able to compile it properly: -- (newest cvs version) it starts compiling till: ... make: *** No rule to make target kernel', needed by all'. Stop. -- there was a change in the makefile so testet the old o

Re: ls /dev

2000-07-27 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 03:34:17PM +0200, Juli-Manel Merino Vidal wrote: > Hi all, > > when doing an 'ls /dev', hurd starts automatically each transator of > each device file. Why? > This produces a delay before the directory contents is shown. Because your ls is really an alias, and you are usin

Re: Mach console

2000-07-27 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 03:21:50PM +0200, Juli-Manel Merino Vidal wrote: > Please, make the patch available, or even better, include that in the > Debian binary. (will do) > I've tried colortext, but some programs seems not to work trought > it. For example, mutt fails, ncurses programs too, and

Re: hurd progress and bugs

2000-07-27 Thread Gordon Matzigkeit
> Marcus Brinkmann writes: MB> On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 01:05:30PM +0200, Juli-Manel Merino Vidal MB> wrote: >> I don't know, but I've an idea that I'm not sure if it is correct; >> if it isn't, please correct me. A library can be developed to >> hide the internal functions of the microke

ls /dev

2000-07-27 Thread Juli-Manel Merino Vidal
Hi all, when doing an 'ls /dev', hurd starts automatically each transator of each device file. Why? This produces a delay before the directory contents is shown. Thanks.

Re: hurd progress and bugs

2000-07-27 Thread Juli-Manel Merino Vidal
> This library would be called libmom and indeed was started. But it > was dropped and removed, I don't know the reasons why. > > If you can get hold of an older Hurd snapshot, you will find it in > the libmom directory. > > I can probably check out the reasons for the removal in my email archive

Re: hurd and vmware

2000-07-27 Thread Juli-Manel Merino Vidal
On Wed, Jul 26, 2000 at 02:01:40PM -0500, Prashant Singh wrote: > Hi, > There was a post recently about trying the mach kernel through vmware. Is > it possible to run hurd through vmware (under linux)? That would probably > help a lot of people who can't access the internet through hurd avoid > ha

Re: Mach console

2000-07-27 Thread Juli-Manel Merino Vidal
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 01:00:22PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > I have implemented color and other attributes for the GNU Mach console, > so if people are really dying to see colors on the Hurd, I am willing > to make the patch available. I could even include it in the Debian > binary. Pleas

Re: hurd progress and bugs

2000-07-27 Thread Kalle Niemitalo
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 01:05:30PM +0200, Juli-Manel Merino Vidal wrote: > Using this kind of library whould mean changing all mach calls inside > the hurd, but when all of this have been done, anyone could use mach > or fiasco. I took a look at L4/Fiasco some months ago. Its IPC was quite unlik

Re: hurd progress and bugs

2000-07-27 Thread Dave
On 27 Jul 2000, Andreas Rottmann wrote: > Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > I don't know, but I've an idea that I'm not sure if it is correct; if > > > it isn't, please correct me. > > > A library can be developed to hide the internal functions of the > > > microkernel. > >

Re: how to get gnumach (cvs-version) compiling

2000-07-27 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 01:52:18PM +0200, Daniel Wagner wrote: > Hi, > > In order to compiling a recent checkout of gnumach I had to remove > gnumach/linux/src/arch/i386/lib/delay.S and use the delay.c from > linux-2.2.12 with a small change (remove "current_cpu_data" structure). I > guess the "__

Re: hurd progress and bugs

2000-07-27 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 01:46:52PM +0200, Andreas Rottmann wrote: > Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > I don't know, but I've an idea that I'm not sure if it is correct; if > > > it isn't, please correct me. > > > A library can be developed to hide the internal functions of the >

how to get gnumach (cvs-version) compiling

2000-07-27 Thread Daniel Wagner
Hi, In order to compiling a recent checkout of gnumach I had to remove gnumach/linux/src/arch/i386/lib/delay.S and use the delay.c from linux-2.2.12 with a small change (remove "current_cpu_data" structure). I guess the "__delay(unsigned long loops)" function is not used so it could be just be an

Re: hurd progress and bugs

2000-07-27 Thread Andreas Rottmann
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I don't know, but I've an idea that I'm not sure if it is correct; if > > it isn't, please correct me. > > A library can be developed to hide the internal functions of the > > microkernel. > > This library would be called libmom and indeed was star

Cross-Compiler issue

2000-07-27 Thread Andreas Rottmann
Hi! I just made up a cross-compiler for the HURD, but the linker has minor problems: Given the minimal C program: int main() { return(0); } - and this command line: ~$ i586-pc-gnu-gcc test.c I get this output: [blah bloh] /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-gnu/2.96/collect2 -m

Re: hurd progress and bugs

2000-07-27 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 01:07:27PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > Note that you would only need to port glibc to the new microkernel. correction: *also* (in addition to the Hurd itself) Marcus

Re: hurd progress and bugs

2000-07-27 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 01:05:30PM +0200, Juli-Manel Merino Vidal wrote: > > The people from fiasco say in their faq: > > > > Do you plan to port the GNU Hurd to the Fiasco µ-kernel? > > This indeed sounds like an interesting project -- but we currently > > don't have the resources to do

Re: hurd progress and bugs

2000-07-27 Thread Juli-Manel Merino Vidal
> The people from fiasco say in their faq: > > Do you plan to port the GNU Hurd to the Fiasco µ-kernel? > This indeed sounds like an interesting project -- but we currently > don't have the resources to do it. Maybe you would like to do it? > (hohmuth 98/10/10) > > > Perhaps its re

Re: Mach console

2000-07-27 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 12:59:39PM +0200, Juli-Manel Merino Vidal wrote: > > in userspace terminal emulator > > > > C code (this is implementation-independent description, not how to patch > > Mach) = > > > > a) add unsigned char atribute; to struct terminal > > b) change it when you get \e[ * m

Re: Mach console

2000-07-27 Thread Juli-Manel Merino Vidal
On Wed, Jul 26, 2000 at 09:53:44PM +0200, Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote: > If you have 128 MB you can. > With 64 MB minimal minimum. > Oh, I've that amount of ram (128 mb) :) > > But... how should be implemented the color support? > > Do you mean how as C code or how as where ? > > where = > > i

Re: cross-compilation - the saga continues

2000-07-27 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Am Don, 27 Jul 2000 09:37:50 Seth Nickell Sie: > > Are there special reasons why you want to cross compile? > > I'm trying to port/compile XFree86 4.0.1, and I hate working w/o > x-terms. :-) Also I prefer to work w/ partitions over 1 gig when dealing > w/ larger compiles like X + gnome. If you a

Re: cross-compilation - the saga continues

2000-07-27 Thread Seth Nickell
> Are there special reasons why you want to cross compile? I'm trying to port/compile XFree86 4.0.1, and I hate working w/o x-terms. :-) Also I prefer to work w/ partitions over 1 gig when dealing w/ larger compiles like X + gnome. > Have you tried make-cross? What is make-cross? -Seth