Hurd friendly Makefile

2001-05-02 Thread Glenn McGrath
I was trying to make a hurd busybox package the other day, but i got stuck trying to workout how to change the Makefile so it does different steps if its compiling for the Hurd or Linux. I was going to do this ifeq ($(strip $(shell uname)),Linux) LIBBB_CSRC+= interface.c module_syscalls.c sysca

Re: Hurd Roadmap for Woody Release

2001-05-02 Thread Glenn McGrath
Neal H Walfield wrote: > > > The boot-floppies currently and most likely for woody also uses > > libfdisk, its a small (20K) partitioning program. (see > > http://cvs.debian.org/boot-floppies/utilities/libfdisk/ ) > > Is this still the plan? Or is it libparted now? > The plan (as far as i know

Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting

2001-05-02 Thread Farid Hajji
> On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:04:33AM -0400, Russell Francis wrote: > > I am rather new to the list but, if you are thinking of new ways to > > package and distribute a shiny new Hurd system I have a suggestion. > > I used to use FreeBSD and I absolutely loved the ports collection! > > You simply

Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting

2001-05-02 Thread Daniel E Baumann
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 07:56:46AM -0700, Jeff Bailey wrote: > On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:04:33AM -0400, Russell Francis wrote: > > > I am rather new to the list but, if you are thinking of new ways to > > package and distribute a shiny new Hurd system I have a suggestion. > > I used to use FreeBS

Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting

2001-05-02 Thread Jeff Bailey
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 05:53:52PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > First step is to port the Debian package of rpm and check if cpio and alien > do work on the Hurd (they should). I added popt to turtle1 this morning, which is a pre-depend of rpm. rpm didn't build, however. I don't actually car

Hurd FAQ

2001-05-02 Thread Neal H Walfield
I have written up a FAQ; I am interested in feedback and contributions: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-faq/FAQ pgpa20z0Pzybj.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Hurd Roadmap for Woody Release

2001-05-02 Thread Neal H Walfield
> The boot-floppies currently and most likely for woody also uses > libfdisk, its a small (20K) partitioning program. (see > http://cvs.debian.org/boot-floppies/utilities/libfdisk/ ) Is this still the plan? Or is it libparted now? pgp7qY2PNZfSl.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: RPM-based Hurd distro (was : Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting)

2001-05-02 Thread Henk Janssen
First post! [snap] > Well, I had only been using RPM-based Linux distibutions before I tried out > the Hurd, so I can understand how dpkg can seem confusing to you at first. > OTOH, if you keep on learning how to use it, I think you will find that > there isn't anything that makes rpm better than p

Re: The Hurd package system

2001-05-02 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 12:24:32PM -0400, Russell Francis wrote: > > 2 things: > > > > 1) In what way would it benefit? > [a BSD style ports/system collection/release] > > Linux seems to be a loosly knit collection of different packages where BSD > seems to be a complete system. Linux is just

The Hurd package system

2001-05-02 Thread Russell Francis
> 2 things: > > 1) In what way would it benefit? [a BSD style ports/system collection/release] Linux seems to be a loosly knit collection of different packages where BSD seems to be a complete system. ex: To upgrade your Linux kernel you have to download the kernel, read the Documentation/Cha

RPM-based Hurd distro (was : Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting)

2001-05-02 Thread David Coquil
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:29:59AM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote: > > OK, I have often read that getting Hurd to run on top of many different > microkernels is one main goal. I guess it is still focused on mach > then? Probably a good at idea at this time. > There is (was?) an effort to get

Re: status

2001-05-02 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 09:59:33AM -0700, Jeff Bailey wrote: > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 06:51:29PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > > > netpbm-free is broken based on turtle's bad handling of ':'. I > > >will force all of these through by hand. (Maybe in time for > > >today's update...) > > >

Re: exim

2001-05-02 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 01:02:01AM -0700, Jeff Bailey wrote: > I've got the cyrus-sasl package built, with the patch no prob. > > openldap2 appears to have a series of problems: > > 1) it doesn't run autoconf after it patches configure.in > 2) when I run autoconf by hand it triggers the empty-./c

Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting

2001-05-02 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:12:26AM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote: > But of course not! It's never easy to start a new distrobution. I just > found the idea interesting. I don't know .deb but I know rpm and Solaris > pkgadd and I'd like to use them. If someone else hav had the same thought, > p

Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting

2001-05-02 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:19:43AM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote: > After getting the link mailed me I now see I must have been blind not to > find it earlier. But, considering that there's first a row of buttons, > blue on red, and then another row of choices which are, almost but not > reall

Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting

2001-05-02 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 07:57:52AM +0200, Henning Riedel wrote: > So either I missed some driver to enable, or I did maybe the wrong MAKEDEV? > Since the kernel boots that fast, the messages are gone before I catch up. > Is there some kind of kernel-message logging at boottime like dmesg under > Li

Re: autobuilder

2001-05-02 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:36:22PM -0400, Roland McGrath wrote: > > zlib: EIO from tar? Wat's that? And how does this rcmd come into the game? > > What is rcmd? This looks very suspicious. > > rcmd is the libc function that does the client side of the rsh protocol. > tar uses this for rmt. If yo

Re: Xterm library failure...

2001-05-02 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 08:00:21AM +0100, Neil Levine wrote: > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 01:36:00AM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann a ecrit: > > > > > > Thanks. Is there any reason why this works as root but not as a > > > regular user? > > > > If you attempt to run a suid binary (check with ls -l), then

Re: Xterm library failure...

2001-05-02 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 01:00:47PM -0700, Jeff Bailey wrote: > Is there a copy of the ELF standard publicly available? On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 08:37:08AM -0500, Jonathan Bartlett wrote: > Is there an "easy guide to ELF" which explains all this stuff? I don't know the answer to either question. I

Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting

2001-05-02 Thread Jeff Bailey
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:04:33AM -0400, Russell Francis wrote: > I am rather new to the list but, if you are thinking of new ways to > package and distribute a shiny new Hurd system I have a suggestion. > I used to use FreeBSD and I absolutely loved the ports collection! > You simply change to t

Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting

2001-05-02 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 10:04:33AM -0400, Russell Francis wrote: > I am rather new to the list but, if you are thinking of new ways to > package and distribute a shiny new Hurd system I have a suggestion. > I used to use FreeBSD and I absolutely loved the ports collection! > You simply change to

RE: Hurd F1 ISO and booting

2001-05-02 Thread Martin . Kretzschmar
> -Original Message- > From: Russell Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 4:05 PM > To: Andreas L. Gustafsson > Cc: Robert Bihlmeyer; debian-hurd@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting > > > > > > Seriously, I do think that to make Hurd more

Re: exim

2001-05-02 Thread Philip Charles
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Jeff Bailey wrote: > It isn't for lack of trying. =( This is appreciated. We survived F1 without it and we can survive F2 just as well. > good night! Sleep well. Phil. - Philip Charles; 39a Paterson St., Dunedin, New Zealand; +64 3 4882818 Mobile 025 267 9420. I sell

Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting

2001-05-02 Thread Russell Francis
> > > Seriously, I do think that to make Hurd more popular and more widely used > > > we need to move away from the .deb way only as fast as possible. > > > > What Farid said: nobody stops anybody from doing things differently. > > Nope, and if I learn how to do it, I might try. > > > > The most

Re: exim

2001-05-02 Thread Jeff Bailey
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 05:19:08AM +, Philip Charles wrote: > Need I say more? > > I should be ready to freeze the Hurd sub-archive within the next 24 hours > and I would like to include a working exim. Is there a working package > somewhere that I could download? It isn't for lack of trying

Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting

2001-05-02 Thread Andreas L. Gustafsson
On 29 Apr 2001, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > "Andreas L. Gustafsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Huh!? Is there two different kernels available? > > Yes, GNU Mach and oskit Mach. Debian GNU/Hurd will install the former. > I don't think there deb packages for oskit mach, you'll have to roll >

Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting

2001-05-02 Thread Andreas L. Gustafsson
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote: > > Huh!? Is there two different kernels available? I think Uhurd has a big > > documentation problme. This ought to be mentioned on some webpage. > > > > What is diffrent? Which

Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting

2001-05-02 Thread Andreas L. Gustafsson
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Jeff Bailey wrote: > On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +0200, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote: > > > I for one just hate dpkg and friends! :) > > > > If I just can get gcc to work under Hurd I'll be happy again! :) > > > > Seriously, I do think that to make Hurd more popular a

Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting

2001-05-02 Thread Andreas L. Gustafsson
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Philip Charles wrote: > On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Andreas L. Gustafsson wrote: > > > F1 F2 E1? Where do I find these ISO images? I can't find any links to it > > from the Debian/Hurd ports page. There are just a link telling about it's > > in "active development". Time to update t

exim

2001-05-02 Thread Philip Charles
Need I say more? I should be ready to freeze the Hurd sub-archive within the next 24 hours and I would like to include a working exim. Is there a working package somewhere that I could download? Phil. - Philip Charles; 39a Paterson St., Dunedin, New Zealand; +64 3 4882818 Mobile 025 267 9420