Re: Feed-back please. Problem.

2001-09-25 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Philip Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am having problems with apt and I would like to know if people are > having the same difficulties using apt with the Hurd. > > After rebooting, apt-get update works well, as does apt-get install foo - > once. The next time it locks up at "Reading Pa

Re: [erbenson@alaska.net: Re: Still no base tarball]

2001-08-23 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would appreciate it if I could avoid to call ANY scripts. preinst scripts are there for a good reason (I hope). [Investigating some ...] Most of these, though, seem concerned with upgrading from older versions of the same (or a predecessor) package

Re: Strange behavior while copying files

2001-08-11 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Igor Khavkine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The strange thing happens when this is done, if I look in my / I > have a ton of pty* and tty* device files created there, even though > I copied no files to or from /. Just to be sure: you don't have (ana)cron that maybe decided to start a find over a

Re: HOWTO

2001-08-08 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Patrick Strasser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Does anyone know how Netcraft determines the Operating System? TCP fingerprinting a la queso or "nmap -O". Since pfinet is based largely on Linux's stack, the identification does not come as a surprise. > Is there a way to change network behaviour t

Re: Xgalaga

2001-08-06 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Dios Del Tiempo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I saw something like nas in xgalaga's Makefile; anyway, I tought there was no > sound support for Hurd at all. So, can I hear MP3 in Hurd (by example) if I > have a sound card? Not natively, but nas (and esd) have sound servers, which means that -- si

Re: public opinion about Debian GNU (Hurd)

2001-08-05 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > IMHO, the name "linux.debian.ports.hurd" explains that most people > outside the Debian GNU(Hurd) community are missinformed about > what the Hurd is. I don't think that's the case at all. People who are aware of the difference between Linux and Redhat

Re: patches for openssh

2001-08-05 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
James Morrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm looking for the openssh patches for HURD. They aren't on Robbe's > page anymore. They are in the official Debian source now => "apt-get source openssh", or (if apt is not available) from ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssh/ > Also to get th

apt-cdrom patch -- testers wanted

2001-07-15 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
I now have a hopefully clean patch for the apt-cdrom/umount issue. It is now in http://pluto.tuwien.ac.at/~robbe/debian/hurd/> Also available there are patched source and binary packages. The impatient can go straight to http://pluto.tuwien.ac.at/~robbe/debian/hurd/apt_0.5.3.robbe.1_hurd-i386.deb>

Re: 30% of the archive compiled

2001-07-14 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Jeff Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 2) Startup time on the turtle is about 30 minutes. Sometimes it can > take up to another hour for it to seek to where it left off. Whoa, that's evil. > I think I could improve that by not 'scp -R'ing. Apparently piping a > tar through ssh is far better,

Re: Playing with Lincity

2001-07-13 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Dios Del Tiempo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yesterday I get the sources and compiled in Hurd, and it compiled > only with warnings about assigning double values to int variables; > it seems to work fine (slow but fine). Good. > In this weekend I'll fix this warnings and when I understand why o

Re: 30% of the archive compiled

2001-07-13 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > let's all applaud Jeff, who did an amazing effort in the last week to get > us over the 30% mark. Yes indeed! > Please see http://buildd.debian.org/stats/graph.png to see where this got us > compared to other ports. "Unfortunately" our competitors

Re: Bug#104186: apt-cdrom: u/mount equivalents for the Hurd

2001-07-12 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[CCing and R-T debian-hurd. Please direct followups there, as I think this issue has little to do with the bug at hand, and people there can probably answer your question much better, too.] Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So why can't there be a umount compatiblity shell script? Sure t

Re: errno strageness (in lpr)

2001-07-11 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > printjob.o(.text+0x34ad): undefined reference to `__errno_location' [...] > Since it fails to compile I take it that this is an > unacceptable usage of errno as a modifiable lvalue. Hmm, setting errno to zero before the call is the only way to check for err

Re: Anyone has read the FSF Usenix speech ?

2001-07-11 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In my opinion, it would be quite important to enable the developer of user > applications to make use of the special features on the Hurd. Like, for > example, adding support for translators in tar etc. I'd also like more examples of real-world appl

Re: apt-cdrom and dselect works together!

2001-07-10 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 05:10:47AM +0200, Dios Del Tiempo wrote: > > I tried the attached 50apt-cdrom-hurd with dselect, and it works very well! > > It > > worked for me two days ago with > > > > apt-cdrom -c=/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50apt-cdrom-hurd add

Re: F3 CDs - final stages

2001-07-09 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Philip Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The Turtle has not beaten me! Still at two CDs, but this has meant that I > have had to work at the Exclusion list. Well, you're cheating now ... There are some packages on your list that are certainly useless, but others are more of the "extra" var

ssh & pam

2001-07-04 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Thanks to Matthew we now have ssh packages in the archives. If you upgrade to these, don't forget to comment out the line with pam_limits in /etc/pam.d/ssh, or you won't be able to login. That's because pam_limits is not built in our version of pam. A patch is in a bug filed against libpam-module

Re: man-db problem

2001-07-03 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
thomas poindessous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have some problems with man-db. I needed to edit > /var/lib/dpkg/info/man-db.postinst to install it. > > I added > || RET=false > to every lines with db_get or db_fget. During the configuration phase, I > didn't have any debconf screen. Does t

Re: F3 - lies, damned lies, and statistics.

2001-07-01 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Philip Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > agt Linux specific > aide > csh > mp3info > mp3info-gtk > tcl8.2 > tcl8.3 These all depend on libc6. Some are old versions, which could have been buggy, but tcl8.3 for example is up-to-date -- so something went wrong while building these. Jeff? > le

/X11R6/lib needs fixing

2001-07-01 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
I don't think the situation will get better by ignoring it. All shared libraries in /X11R6/lib are broken as-shipped. The dynamic loader simply can't find them until told by setting up of LD_LIBRARY_PATH. This won't work for s[ug]id programs. A couple of possible solutions come to mind: (a) Wait

Re: Updated inofficial experimental (etc.) ssh packages

2001-07-01 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Robert Bihlmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matthew Vernon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Robert Bihlmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > http://pluto.tuwien.ac.at/~robbe/debian/hurd/> > > > (*hurd2* is current). Now *rb1* is current

Re: F3 CDs - problematical packages.

2001-07-01 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Philip Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > dpkg_1.9.14_hurd-i386.deb Jun 27 14:42 Like Marcus said: dpkg 1.9.15 would be better. * Fix the arglist construction for maintainer scripts looks like one of the problems (bad interaction with debconf) he reported recently. So take that in. You

Re: labeling the CD set

2001-07-01 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Are you holding the existance of GNU/Linux is a mean to rename the > real GNU project that has been with this name since its creation in > 1984? Yes. -- Robbe signature.ng Description: PGP signature

Re: cannot find packages

2001-06-30 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
"kurian kattukaren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >this is in reply to the instruction by prabhu ramachandran for >compiling gnumach on linux. i could not find the packages >gcc-i386-gnu and mig-i386-gnu. it would help if you could point >out the ftp site. If you are using Debian,

Re: Updated inofficial experimental (etc.) ssh packages

2001-06-30 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
I wrote: > Some of your changes broke hurd compilation, though. Details and > patches later. * sa_restorer does not exist. Linux's sigaction(2) page says: The sa_restorer element is obsolete and should not be used. POSIX does not specify a sa_restorer element. Setting it to

Re: labeling the CD set

2001-06-30 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (i still hold combining the Hurd and GNU makes a redundancy) Yeah, let's strike "GNU" and call it "Hurd". Why? Because there is another GNU OS that uses Linux as its kernel ... -- Robbe signature.ng Description: PGP signature

Re: Updated inofficial experimental (etc.) ssh packages

2001-06-30 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Matthew Vernon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Robert Bihlmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > http://pluto.tuwien.ac.at/~robbe/debian/hurd/> > > (*hurd2* is current). Two things about these packages: you have to disable the pam_limits line in /etc/pam.d/ssh, becaus

Re: Packages

2001-06-30 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Matthew Vernon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > a) Please don't set the bugs to serious. I usually make them "Important". Stands out from normal bugs, but doesn't keep the package out of testing/stable. > File a patch, Don't forget "Tags: patch" in this case. > b) Where is this list found? "this

Updated inofficial experimental (etc.) ssh packages

2001-06-28 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Hi, I've recompiled openssh with my hurd patch, this time with PAM, and ssh-askpass-gnome enabled. The resulting source and binaries are at http://pluto.tuwien.ac.at/~robbe/debian/hurd/> (*hurd2* is current). Though I must admit that PAM is giving me only problems. I was not able to log into the

Re: remote X applications

2001-06-28 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Paul Emsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > "MB" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > MB> Can you please try to port [mcookie]? > > Actually, it was very easy, I changed __linux__ to __GNU__ in > mcookie.c and typed make. Tada! (I think also that prngd >

Re: labeling the CD set

2001-06-28 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
> Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Debian GNU Snapshot F2 > > Unofficial i386 binary - 1 Looks fine by me. Personally, I prefer GNU/Hurd in Debian context, though. (I was going to write why, but actually I think this is just not that important to argue about. Call it HurdUNG, or UnGru

Re: LSM conference

2001-06-28 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I won't be in Bordeaux, I'm afraid. > The 8. is reserved for coding parties, maybe we will have one for the Hurd, > too. If a Hurd hacking party is scheduled, it would be nice if some of the participants could get on irc as well, so that those at home

Re: emacs + X11

2001-06-26 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Please post it. I can't even compile emacs20 correctly, as there is some > mayhem with the unexec() and malloc initialization. Yeah, this is it. Fix in bug #101962. -- Robbe signature.ng Description: PGP signature

emacs + X11

2001-06-23 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Hi, I tried to rejuvenate the emacs20 package, and it has only needed a small patch yet. The problem I'm currently experiencing is that whenever emacs opens an X window (i.e. $DISPLAY set, and -nw not given), this window will stay empty, and emacs frozen. Adding -nw to the same invocation will bri

Re: exim 3.22-4 dependency problem

2001-06-23 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It doesn't understand wildcards or regexps, either. Sigh. > > ulysses:~# dpkg --search '*/lib/libX11.so' > xlibs-dev: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so I swear I tried that before replying to you. I blame sleep deprivation. Here's an updated patch: --- /b

Re: exim 3.22-4 dependency problem

2001-06-23 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [1] When searching for libfoo.so.4's package, it will not only find > > the package containing /lib/libfoo.so.4, but also the package > > containing /bar/bazlib/libfoo.so.4. From a quick skim of the archive > > only acroread, gnat, and petsc2.1.0-de

Re: exim 3.22-4 dependency problem

2001-06-22 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Robert Bihlmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So there are a couple of missing dependencies. Jeff, is the > dpkg-shlibdeps problem rearing its head again on your end? Since this also bit me today, I've hacked dpkg-shlibdeps 1.9.12 here (Marcus's patch does no longer apply

Re: F3 CDs

2001-06-22 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Philip Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In order to make space I am planning to move "Section: games" to the > second CD for the following reasons. Eeevil! > 4. To create an incentive to get the apt-cdrom part of apt working. This > will make life so much easier for me. Actually, I

exim 3.22-4 dependency problem

2001-06-22 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
This exim package has: Depends: libc0.2 (>= 2.2.1-2), libdb2 (>= 2:2.7.7-4), libpam0g (>= 0.72-1), cron (>=3.0pl1-42), netbase $ ldd /sbin/sendmail libident.so.0 => not found libpcre.so.3 => not found libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x01028000) libcrypt.

Re: e2fsprogs

2001-06-22 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Jeff Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I just uploaded the lastest e2fsprogs to incoming. It appears to fix > the detection. They look good, yeah. My inofficial e2fsprogs debs can be ditched, then. > I also uploaded dpkg *.11. Marcus, can you please check to see if it > includes the fixes yo

Re: e2fsprogs thinks everything is already mounted

2001-06-20 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Neal H Walfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think that this will be difficult. The ext2fs server, and any other > Hurd server for that matter, uses stores when dealing with large > unformatted data blocks. A store is expressed using lengths and runs. > Therefore, you will not get, e.g. /dev/

Re: New CD set (was: Exim)

2001-06-20 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Jeff Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I want us in testing for two reasons: > > 1) Visibility > 2) So we have a noose around various maintainers necks if they break > their packages. > > But we need to be compiling 90%+ of the packages succesfully to do > this. Without pthreads, and withou

Re: ldconfig

2001-06-20 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It might be worth to elide the use of getopt. Doh! I changed it to use getopts, which has POSIX backing. Filed another bug. > On the other hand, it might be worth to push porting util-linux, but it > needs heavy changes to the Makefiles. It would be

Re: Outstanding patches in the BTS

2001-06-20 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Igor Khavkine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > w3m (#98086) I have updated your patches locally (mouse support is now only disabled on the Hurd), and will gladly see this to completion (NMU if necessary); but this depends on libgc5 getting built first. > One bug has been resolved: > bsd-games

Re: F3 CDs

2001-06-20 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Philip Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The only remaining issues are those of gcc and e2fsprogs. Inofficial e2fsprogs are in http://pluto.tuwien.ac.at/~robbe/debian/hurd/> e2fsprogs_1.20+1.21-WIP-0614-1_hurd-i386.changes contains the list of files with md5sums and is signed. I've only rea

Re: e2fsprogs thinks everything is already mounted

2001-06-20 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Roland McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You were just talking about device numbers on device files, which is st_rdev. > I hope you are not confusing st_dev and st_rdev. Ah, I was jumping to conclusions again: saw that st_dev and st_rdev were both 0 for /dev/hd0s1 and thought neither was used

New CD set (was: Exim)

2001-06-19 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Philip Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > exim, ae are OK then. I will wait for gcc-3.0 It would be good to avoid e2fsprogs 1.20-2 which is currently in the archive. With it you have to answer yes for every disk when booting. We're still waiting on the resolve of a small compile problem. The

Re: e2fsprogs thinks everything is already mounted

2001-06-18 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think the patch is fine. The newest e2fsprogs looks good, although it needs the patch from bug#101361 to compile. > BTW, the Hurd has "device nodes" (which is simply a bit flag in the > stat information), but the values are set by the translator,

e2fsprogs thinks everything is already mounted (was: unowned processes and who controls them)

2001-06-09 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Oystein Viggen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (So much I don't know... Better shut up for a while and read up on how > the system works to stop making a fool of myself. Just have to attach a > keyboard and screen to the hurd box to answer 'y' to fsck first ;) FWIW, I've filed a bug with patch aga

/var/run/screen

2001-06-09 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
I can't start "screen" as non-root, because /var/run/screen does not exist. In fact, the standard Debian/Hurd start-up sequence wipes that directory away on every re-boot. I wonder whether that's the Right Thing. For reference, FHS 5.10 says about /var/run: This directory contains system info

Re: Adding device file to /dev.

2001-06-07 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Monday 04 June 2001 00:59, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 02:37:19PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote: > > > Another thing any package that depends on the creation of nodes under > > > /dev MUST depend on "makedev | devfsd". People who ru

Re: passwd entry for uid -1

2001-06-07 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Then there is the problem that you can't chown to -1 (as -1 means skip > that). I am not sure what this means, though. That's a feature. You wouldn't want to have this uid own files, anyway. BTW, what's the difference to Unix's nobody? -- Robbe

Re: Partition size and glibc build

2001-06-07 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Jeff Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It seems that a glibc package build is larger than 918 megs. =( Darn. I also wanted to (re)build glibc (2.2.2-1) in my case, and the Hurd ran into space problems. Have given up and went back to cross-compiling for now. > a) Bad cross-compiler (I had th

Re: passwd entry for uid -1

2001-06-07 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Right, and I think it is a good idea to not dynamically create this entry > either, as the uid must not change anyway. Yup, no "adduser" involved, no problem. > > BTW, what's the difference to Unix's nobody? > > Nobody is just another user, though

Re: unowned processes and who controls them (was: Re: passwd entry for uid -1

2001-06-07 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Anyway, the code is there, but processes started at boot time are not in > different login groups, I think. You would want them to be there, though. > In fact, I think you would loose all security at the login shell if there > were processes without

Re: getsockopt() hurd/glibc mismatch

2001-06-07 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Weeks ago, I wrote: > > I'll try doing that tonight, when/if I get at the machine. > > Because getsockopt(sock, 0, ...) is definitely horked, it always > > returns the same bogus data, without flagging an error. The culprit is libc, this short function, to be exact: int getsockopt (fd, level, op

Re: unowned processes and who controls them (was: Re: passwd entry for uid -1

2001-06-07 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Oystein Viggen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Also, without some proper filesystem support for this, there will be > problems for all services actually wanting to store something on disk. > I thought for a moment about how you could run BIND uid-less, until I > came to think of the problems you wou

Re: Turtle pages updated

2001-06-03 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Jeff Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The new web page is at http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/oasis/ Have you migrated all packages (except non-US)? I can't find ldap, for example. > I generally prefer to keep my home machine named oasis, so I'd like > suggestions for a name for a dedicated

Re: mandate ldconfig -X?

2001-06-03 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Are you saying ldconfig can't update the links on Hurd? Exactly, as mentioned in #83669. > Can this be fixed? Sure. It ain't broke, though. > My only concern is that the solution to another policy proposal > presented to debian-policy (assuming it still

Re: Another package ported

2001-06-02 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Roland McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > FWIW, SUSv2 also has no way to query a max path via sysconf. I meant to say "max hostname length" not path length. > I think you are mistaken. As I understand it, SUSv2 specifies a superset > of 1003.1-1996 (POSIX.1). POSIX.1 specifies sysconf(_SC

mandate ldconfig -X?

2001-05-31 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
I propose that instead of calling "ldconfig", maintainer scripts of packages containing shared libraries should call "ldconfig -X". Background: ldconfig has two purposes: 1. For each shared library, create/update a symbolic link from the library's soname to the library file. The link is only ch

Re: Another package ported

2001-05-31 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [... and the value for MAXHOSTNAMELEN iiis ...] > Nevermind, the standard is a moving target. Sorry. What I quoted was from > draft 5, and I now checked draft 6, and it does not refer to a single > constant "255" anymore. Which standard are you talk

Re: openssh on hurd

2001-05-28 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Jérôme Magnin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > finally openssh compiled ok, but the problem is that it lacks a random > number generator to create the seeds. In my experience it can cope with gathering randomness from programs reasonably well. It's not terribly secure, but anyway. > If somebody suc

Re: mount?

2001-05-08 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: > This doesn't require automatically mounting things from fstab, it just > requires having a correct fstab. So make one, and also make > appropriate passive translators. These will invariably drift out of sync. -- Robbe signature.ng Descriptio

Re: getsockopt() hurd/glibc mismatch

2001-05-08 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So the linux code should be compiled with glibcs idea of these constants > already. I probably jumped to the wrong conclusion, then. > Now, if you have identified the problem as such by debugging it, [...] No, I am operating from another machine, a

Re: /etc/cron.daily/standard: the df issue again

2001-05-08 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Joost van Baal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would love to get rid of the locate-call, but don't know how. locate is evil. I for one, don't have it installed. You could use it if /var/lib/locate/locatedb exists, and fall back to "find", otherwise. No, forget about that. The point of the code i

getsockopt() hurd/glibc mismatch

2001-05-06 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
After further researching some ssh problem, I found out that getsockopt(socket, SOL_IP, IP_something, &option) will generally return garbage on the Hurd. That's because these IP_something constants aren't. include/bits/in.h from glibc has: #define IP_OPTIONS 1 /* ip_opts; IP per-pack

Re: Xterm library failure...

2001-04-30 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Neil Levine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > If you attempt to run a suid binary (check with ls -l), then it won't work > > with LD_LIBRARY_PATH, I think. > > Ah, this is what I thought. I notice there is a general ambivalence to > suid programs, with the 'su' binary not being suid on install. Is

Re: Package Hierarchy

2001-04-30 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Ian Duggan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That's a thought. Is there available, or does there exist an easy way to > generate the dependency tree for Debian packages? Well, graphviz is in non-free and can do exactly this kind of tasks. "apt-cache dotty" will generate output that can be used as inp

Re: Hurd F1 ISO and booting

2001-04-29 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
"Andreas L. Gustafsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Huh!? Is there two different kernels available? Yes, GNU Mach and oskit Mach. Debian GNU/Hurd will install the former. I don't think there deb packages for oskit mach, you'll have to roll your own. Searching the archives of this list for "oski

Re: cross-apt

2001-04-26 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Ian Duggan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hmm. I was hoping that a newer gnumach and hurd would help this > situation. I already have 210MB of swap going. Is that too much? I don't think you can have too much. Obviously memory is not the problem here. I just thought it has to do with my difficulti

Re: ldconfig

2001-04-25 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Use of ldconfig is not portable. We should not encourage maintainers into > Linux specific programming. Ok. This, and especially that libtool can do them, has convinced me. > That's an idea. Can you submit it as a bug report against libc0.2 (or > wh

Re: Hurd SMP (lack of) progress report.

2001-04-25 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
"B. Douglas Hilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have been very busy playing QuakeForge Team Fortress, you know, uh, > debugging it and stuff :-) Does it already run on the Hurd? -- Robbe signature.ng Description: PGP signature

Re: cross-apt

2001-04-25 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Ian Duggan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've been trying to figure this out as well, as apt under hurd hangs > for me about 50% of the time. Was the same here, until I trimmed my sources.list to an absolute minimum. The apt-crash went from 70 % reproducability to 0 %. Adding more swap may also h

[TODO] who did/does ldap?

2001-04-24 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Hi, I dimly remember that someone (Brian May?) put a patch (from someone else) for openldap into the BTS, and the bug was "fixed" some time ago. I can't find the bug number or patch now ... all I know is that openldap does not compile for me under the Hurd. ldap is important since current exims d

Re: ae and libslang

2001-04-24 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Fabian Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Shouldn't ae be linked to lislang.so.1 ?? Yes it should. But see the "ae and exim" thread. > Whats the difference between sid and woody? sid = unstable; the place where new packages go. woody is the name of the next version of Debian. Packages that ha

Re: Identifying GNU packages

2001-04-24 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Philip Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is there a simple way of identifying GNU packages? There's a list at http://www.gnu.org/software/software.html#DescriptionsOfGNUSoftware> Determining a list of Debian packages from that is not especially simple, though. grepping /usr/doc/*/copy

ldconfig

2001-04-23 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > They should be maintained by dpkg. If they aren't, it's a bug. Yes, the symlinks should be in the deb. But how do they get there during package building? A maintainer can either create them in the staging directory via "ln -s", but then she has to r

Updated ssh packages

2001-04-21 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Hi, I've updated my ssh patch and produced new hurd-i386 binary packages. They could be put on alpha, for example. http://pluto.tuwien.ac.at/~robbe/debian/hurd/> contains: ssh_2.5.2p2-2.1.hurd_hurd-i386.deb the up-to-date package openssh_2.5.2p2-2.1.hurd_hurd-i386.changes the co

Re: dpkg problem installing apache-common

2001-04-21 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The Hurds ldconfig is just a link to /bin/true, to make Debian postinst > scripts happy. I don't know why ldconfig is needed on Linux, it is not > required on the Hurd, as all packages are required to have appropriate > symlinks. Oh, and these symlin

Re: Non-US

2001-04-21 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Niels Möller) writes: > > Doesn't the Hurd have mlock() ? > > I think most systems don't have mlock available for mortal users. > Right? I only know that Linux does not allow it unless you have the CAP_IPC_LOCK capability. Which on most systems means, that you need root. I co

Re: dpkg problem installing apache-common

2001-04-19 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Neil Levine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It complains about the PERL package not being installed. So I install > (also with dpkg) perl-5.005-base_5.005.03-7.1.deb with no errors. But > when running the above command again I still get: > > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of apache

Re: gcc-2.95

2001-04-19 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > vmstat. > > doesn't print the amount of free swap. > > does free(1) exists on the Hurd? No. But vmstat is more useful than the Linux version. $ vmstat --swap-free --bytes 39927808 (There's also a --kilobytes option if that suits you better.) --

Re: Non-US

2001-04-19 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Jeff Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If one of y'all has the skills, can you please report to this list > whether or not gnupg (in tommorows upload) works well and can be > considered secure? gpg: Please note that you don't have secure memory on this system Doesn't the Hurd have mlock() ?

Re: Woody release?

2001-04-18 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There is another issue. Some udebs depend on the linux framebuffer > device to build. I don't know how much of this is really used > (optionally I hope). I've recently NMU'd cdebconf to not build the bogl (framebuffer) frontend on the Hurd. This seem

lies

2001-04-11 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Just as a quick heads-up. This took me somewhat by surprise -- I didn't expect that this many people are interested in the Hurd effort. Source: http://lists.debian.org/stats/> all data from someday this month (presumably the first). ArchitectureMailing listSubscribers powerpc

Re: Status pages?

2001-04-11 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Jeff Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have begun the "Status Page". You can find it at: > > http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/status.php http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/status/index.php I presume. > I'll flush it out more over the weekend (when hopefully I'll have > regular builds goin

Re: smarter way to differ architectures needed?

2001-04-09 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Philip Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I disagree. I think kernel.doc should go in the Packages file for the > > Hurd, unless you can justify that it won't work on that platform. > > More unnecessary clutter? Sure, it can be installed, but why have it on > a Hurd CD or in a partial mirr

Re: Status pages?

2001-04-08 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Jeff Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So far, I've been keeping my turtle pages up to date on my Debian home > page. > > Do you guys see any value in me trying to keep up a "most wanted" page > for tasks that everyone can work on? I can't remember (or find the > email of the person) who got

Re: sysvinit dependancy

2001-04-06 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ognyan Kulev) writes: > The sysvinit problem is very annoying. `apt-get whatever' cannot do > anything because sysvinit is not present and it is mentioned in the > dependancies of required packages. Add deb ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/hurd/debian unstable main to your /etc/apt/s

Re: adolc

2001-04-05 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Jeff Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/turtle1/group/Debian/package/adolc/index.html > > Which doesn't list `tetex-bin' in it's build-depends, so fails. I seem > to be unable to report a bug on the package, because reportbug claims it > doesn't exist. There'

non-us turtle (was: openssl)

2001-04-05 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
I wrote to Jeff Bailey: > I just compiled openssl without a hitch, and it tested out fine. It > would be good if you could add it to a turtle! But I forgot that Jeff has stated previously that he is doesn't want to get into non-us business. Is there a Debian developer out there interested in set

Re: Mailing list archives?

2001-04-04 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Jeff Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Who maintains the mailing list archives? http://www.at.debian.org/intro/organization> lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Even better would be a bug report against the "listarchives" pseudopackage, I think. -- Robbe signature.ng Description: PGP signature

Re: mach/cthreads.h

2001-04-02 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Fixing this is very important, so I hope someone here has the time to do it. > It doesn't happen with all configure.in's, I think. The size is the key. I've finally tracked this down to m4. It uses fwrite(), and later read() on the same fd. Ts, ts.

Re: gawk

2001-04-01 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The policy lists "alphanumeric, :, ., +, -" as possible characters. I take > alphanumeric as _a-zA-Z0-9 (underscore, letters and digits). I wouldn't include _ in alphanumerics. If it is indeed not allowed, it would be the most conventional choice. [

Re: Different roots for each process possible?

2001-03-31 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Gordon Matzigkeit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think there's a misunderstanding here. [...] Thanks for the explanation. I thought that Roland wanted the chdir for the Unix reasons, while the Hurd reasons and effects are quite different. I'll go now and chant a thousand times: "Gnu's not Unix".

Re: gawk

2001-03-31 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Jeff Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And make can't cope with the :'s in the directory. That's probably a know limitation in make, colon being a special character and all ... I don't think you can quote it, and that may be a genuine make bug. File it if you wish. > Turtle for creating the d

Re: Different roots for each process possible?

2001-03-30 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Roland McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On most systems, I believe the easiest way of breaking a chroot jail as > > root is: > > > > mkdir("whatever"); > > /* lower the roof of the jail */ > > chroot("whatever"); > > /* we are now above the roof, and can fly away */ > > chdir("../../../.."

Re: mach/cthreads.h

2001-03-30 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Does ldap2 use configure? Well yes, but their configure is hand-tweaked. Running the distributed configure.in through autoconf produces a script that does nothing. And editing configure directly is bad for one's health. So I hoped to get by with a si

mach/cthreads.h

2001-03-29 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
I was looking at libldap2, and it wants to use . Does anybody know where this came from? hurd-dev has which seems to be the same thing. Is the old location? Is it still there on other mach platforms? -- Robbe signature.ng Description: PGP signature

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